Are lip stops necessary?

[ChesterCopperpot]

The first suction calls I ever ran were wingbones and Jordans that didn't have lip stops. Once I started buying some trumpets, which all came with lip stops, I got used to adjusting all the stops to my length and playing them as such. But what I've found is that I don't really miss them when they're not on the call. I still run a lot of wingbones and Jordans without, and likewise the trumpets don't seem to sound any different or become more difficult to play when I remove the stop from the call. I was wondering if other people are similar or whether you find the lip stop necessary in your ability to run the call?


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[ol bob]

Lip stops are training wheels.

[boatpaddle]

Lip stops are training wheels.

Well said.


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[troutfisher13111]

Mark Prudhomme and Zach Farmer both use them, unless you can show me better trumpet callers than those two who don't use one, I'd say they're necessary. Unless you're happy with the sound you're getting, which is perfectly fine. Not everybody shoots for the stars.


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[boatpaddle]

Let me clarify something,  Terry...

Lipstops are a training aid for people, learning to run a trumpet or wingbone call to set depth for the mouthpiece...

I was not in any way, being negative about the use of a lipstop..

To each his own...

I apologize, if my post offended you...



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[troutfisher13111]

Not at all, my point was that if the best in the world still use one, I can't see how they're a training aid.


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[ChesterCopperpot]

I imagine, but don't know, that Mr. Farmer and Mark Prudhomme would have little trouble running a call without a lip stop just due to their overwhelming familiarity with the calls. That said I think it may depend on the player in the same way that some folks call from the middle of their lips and some folks have to move off to one side to find sound. I guess what I was really trying to ask was whether some folks need the lip stop there to get a seal and pressure? Do you find that it affects sound?


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[EZ]

Could be more personal preference. I run calls literally every day, most without a lip stop (because I hadn't turned one yet). Are they necessary? No. Do I prefer one? Yes.

[ChesterCopperpot]

Could be more personal preference. I run calls literally every day, most without a lip stop (because I hadn't turned one yet). Are they necessary? No. Do I prefer one? Yes.

Folks like you are why I wanted to pose the question here, Tony. What is it that makes you prefer one? Are you getting a different sound as a result of a better seal? Is it just faster for you to find your place?


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[troutfisher13111]

For me lip stops improve the efficiency in which I take in air, there is no loss of air between lip and mouthpiece, it all gets channeled through the call.


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[gergg]

I run them with/without, no lipstop gives me a slightly different sound and I like it that way at times.

[paboxcall]

Consistency. I've been running trumpets for a while, but not every day like EZ. The lip stop IMO makes calling consistent and repeatable.

I put a cheap rubber faucet washer on a plain two piece wing bone just for consistency.

[EZ]

Could be more personal preference. I run calls literally every day, most without a lip stop (because I hadn't turned one yet). Are they necessary? No. Do I prefer one? Yes.

Folks like you are why I wanted to pose the question here, Tony. What is it that makes you prefer one? Are you getting a different sound as a result of a better seal? Is it just faster for you to find your place?


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I think it's more of a reference point thing for me. I find that my lips barely touch the stop. I guess it just give me a comforting feeling and to me, I see no advantage to running a call without a stop (although there may be for some). It really makes no difference running call in the comfort of my home, but on a cold morning and slightly numb lips, I'm liking a lip stop for sure.

[Fatbeard]

My personal trumpet and wingbone/cane yelpers I rarely run a lipstop. All that I make and sell I put a lipstop on them.

[crow]

When I got the collagen lip implants for that sexy lip look I lost some muscle tension so now it's lipstop for a better seal.

Simon Everett just pinched the mouthpiece between finger and thumb for a lipstop, that works pretty good.