TSS vs. Hevi

[Spitten and drummen]

What kind of choke are y'all shooting with the TSS.

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Indian creek 555 in my Benelli m2 20gauge

[Gooserbat]

I will say this,  One bird.  That's how many you have to shoot with tss to get on the bandwagon.  I killed my first tss Gobbler at exactly? 40 paces and I have a very long stride.  It flattened him.  I was sold.  Done it with a 20 gauge.  Since I've used it in both a 12 and 20.  As long as I can shoot it I'll look no farther.

[taylorjones20]

I will say this,  One bird.  That's how many you have to shoot with tss to get on the bandwagon.  I killed my first tss Gobbler at exactly? 40 paces and I have a very long stride.  It flattened him.  I was sold.  Done it with a 20 gauge.  Since I've used it in both a 12 and 20.  As long as I can shoot it I'll look no farther.

I agree.  The first bird my 20ga killed was with my 12 year old cousin.  He shot him at 30+ yards and it knocked the bird over on his back and he never flopped.  Ended up killing 5 birds with it last year.  No going back!

[Gobble!]

I currently shoot Nitro H517 4x5x7. What improvement would I get with going to TSS #8 or #9. I understand more shot on target, but what about knockdown? Can I shoot the same distance(or more) with equal effectiveness? Not trying to start up a distance debate, I guess I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the smaller shot size being more effective.

The pellets in those H517 shells is roughly 8% denser than lead. TSS is roughly 33% denser than the shot in the shell you are using now. The denser TSS shot will allow you to shoot smaller shot, such as #9s, which will give you more pellets in the load that will all out perform the #7s in your current load. Its been said a TSS #9 will penetrate similar to a lead #4 but I have not tested this. I can tell you however TSS #9s will kill birds all day at 40 yards and provide wiggle room on shots you misjudge the distance.

[Sand Man]

I've broken leg and wing bones at 40+ yards with #9 shot.  Now I try to get it in #9.5s if possible.  I killed my slam with a 20ga and now I'm work on one with a 28ga.  That's the beauty of TSS.  It allows you to go down in gauge for a lighter, smaller, more compact gun with less recoil and still have the effective range of a 12ga with production ammo.

[Marc]

I have not shot TSS...  But I understand a bit about the ballistics...

Which is heavier, a pound of lead, or a pound of feathers?

If a #9 TSS pellet weighs the same as a #6 lead pellet, even though the #9 pellets are smaller, you will still have the same number of pellets in a 1.25 oz load of lead #6's as compared to a 1.25 oz load of TSS #9's. 

There is no doubt as to that denser materials make for better ballistics (at least up to a point)...  These denser pellets will certainly make a bigger difference in longer range shooting....  They will not allow you to hit a bird you would have missed with another pellet at closer ranges though...

But, in hunting since 2000 with Hevi-shot, I have not had one single situation in which a different pellet or load would have resulted in a bird that I did not get...  And, although I do use Hevi-shot, I doubt that any of the birds taken would not have been just as dead with lead.  (In fact I accidently used a #2 steel waterfowl load to kill one turkey at about 30 yards, which is vastly inferior for turkey hunting  to any loads being discussed)

Recently in anticipation of non-toxic regulations, I purchased some Hevi-shot for a relatively cheap price, and probably have enough loads to last me the next 15+ years, if I really do a lot of shooting and missing.

Were I in the market, and had the chance to pay slightly more for TSS, I likely would...   As others have stated, I am all for increasing my advantages to my favor...  But, out to 40 yards with a properly choked shotgun, I doubt many of us would see much difference in results from Hevi-shot to TSS, or even lead for that matter.

Now, when my kids start hunting with sub-gauge guns, I will very likely be looking into TSS....

[aristico]

Im no math genius but how do you figure 6 lead and 9 tss at 1.25 would have the same number of pellets? 6 lead is about 220 pellets an oz and 9 tss is about 360 an oz. Again i could be and probably am wrong though.

[Spitten and drummen]

Im no math genius but how do you figure 6 lead and 9 tss at 1.25 would have the same number of pellets? 6 lead is about 220 pellets an oz and 9 tss is about 360 an oz. Again i could be and probably am wrong though.

You are correct. Smaller pellets take up less space therefore allowing more to be put in the hull. Simple really. If someone has not shot tss I just can't figure how they can form a opinion. I have shot it going on 5 years and there is not another shot that can even compare to it.

[owlhoot]

TSS 9 shot is closer to the lead 7 1/2 shot by weight .
Most won't care how many you can fit in the shell as with factory loads which are loaded by the ounce.
No I haven't shot it either so no argument about the effectiveness.
Hevi shot didn't either. That 6 shot killed like crazy.
Federal Hw7 out of a 20 guage killed like super crazy.
Both weighed real close to lead 6's . TSS 9's don't , which is probably why some are asking questions.

[Spitten and drummen]

Most handloaders use 1-5/8 ounces of #9 TSS in their 20 ga loads. That's a heap of pellets.

[owlhoot]

Most handloaders use 1-5/8 ounces of #9 TSS in their 20 ga loads. That's a heap of pellets.

Yes it is . What velocity you think you are running with those?

[fallhnt]

Tss stomps hevi shot in every way. Heavy shot is bad , tss is bad to the bone.

Lol

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[taylorjones20]

If a #9 TSS pellet weighs the same as a #6 lead pellet, even though the #9 pellets are smaller, you will still have the same number of pellets in a 1.25 oz load of lead #6's as compared to a 1.25 oz load of TSS #9's. 

Uhhh... ?