I'm impressed with the Fed. 3" TSS 9's in my 835 thru a Star Dot and my 500 thru a full choke. I shot some Apex 2 3/4" 8's thru a Winchester 1200 thats only chambered for 2 3/4" yesterday evening thru a Rhino .660, heck of a pattern at 40. I'll be toting that gun a few times as well.