My 535 prefers the winchester copper #6's, but the #6 thugs got me about 90 hits on printer paper @ 40 which is a good pattern. My friends remington 1100 prefers the thugs over the winchester. For $10 a box, it wouldn't hurt to see how they done. Copper plated shot does penetrate a little better, but 40yds and closer the dead turkey is not going to know the difference.