well my good friend said try longbeards 4 shot in my 835 he said they were good in his 835 .well he was right on . i shot them in my 835 with a jelly head .690 the pattern was ok . well i tried my carlson what a difference but it is .675 . i had 185 no 4 in a 11.75 quaker boy target it is the best i ever shot . i shot it two times it is good both times
