Bead or Red dot

[Greg Massey]

Single bead guy here. They day I can't get on his neck and head clean with it, within 30yrds, is the day I hang it up. At 54yrs old, I hope that day does not come anytime soon

Some people don't see as well as others, just because you have to use other means to aim is not a reason to give it up .. IMO

More often than not, other means are used to extend the killing distance to, in my opinion, un ethical ranges. That, to me, would be past 35 steps. But to those who truly need optics to kill clean at 30, and abide by that code, hunt on my friends

I will agree, but we all have opinions, I guess I don't look at it in the same way, just because someone is using optics doesn't mean they will necessarily shoot pass ethical range / same can be said with using TSS ...

[the Ward]

Single bead guy here. They day I can't get on his neck and head clean with it, within 30yrds, is the day I hang it up. At 54yrs old, I hope that day does not come anytime soon

Some people don't see as well as others, just because you have to use other means to aim is not a reason to give it up .. IMO

More often than not, other means are used to extend the killing distance to, in my opinion, un ethical ranges. That, to me, would be past 35 steps. But to those who truly need optics to kill clean at 30, and abide by that code, hunt on my friends

Naw, most of us use optics so we don't miss with a itty bitty pattern at 20 feet, not to extend the range. Beads work fine at longer range where the pattern opens up nice and forgiving, not so much sometimes up close. Plus, dots are nice on weird angles where you have to twist around and can't get your head down on the stock. My sx4 and 10 gauge are my bead guns, although I want to put a dot on the sx4. My Vinci has a scope or dot on it when I use it for turkey, and the bps upland I use fiber optics on cause it don't shoot straight lol!

[WLT III]

Whatever makes you feel better bud. I'm always skeptical of those who shoot optics and tss. 9 times out of 10, my presumptions has been right on. Like I said though, those that truly need them to kill clean within 35 steps, I wish them many Springs to come.

[Bowguy]

To me it's really common sense. If i shoot a reasonable patterned gun,(Forgivable) and it shoots poa why on earth complicate it? Bet most guys shot way more without sights than with. This whole super tight pattern stuff makes sights unavoidable very often.
TSS is a big culprit. Shoots too tight and if off there's no leeway

[crow]

I'm still getting away with just a bead, i do like a double bead better. I sometimes have trouble seeing the length of a beard in early morning in a dark woods. Only thing to fix that would be a good scope.

Ethics is a fine line, not sure how 30 yards or 35 steps is the only distance that's ok
I would like to see the look on the face of Turpin, Davis, Jordan or Everett if they were told 35 steps was the limit or they just weren't real turkey hunters

Most people don't step a yard, 35 steps is more like an average 31-32yards

[TScottW99]

Single bead guy here. They day I can't get on his neck and head clean with it, within 30yrds, is the day I hang it up. At 54yrs old, I hope that day does not come anytime soon

Some people don't see as well as others, just because you have to use other means to aim is not a reason to give it up .. IMO

More often than not, other means are used to extend the killing distance to, in my opinion, un ethical ranges. That, to me, would be past 35 steps. But to those who truly need optics to kill clean at 30, and abide by that code, hunt on my friends

Odd, I've been using a scope on my turkey gun since around '08. I've yet to shoot a bird past 35 yards.

FYI, my scope has a built in reticle that serves as a turkey rangefinder.... maybe don't speculate about people's ethics if you don't know them.

[Deere92]

I have owned several turkey guns, and zero of them had a POI that matched the bead. Kentucky windage is the wrong route when a bird is in way close with a turkey load/choke..... and I'm shooting lead 5s, not tss. My FF3 does nothing to extend my killing range, but sure gives me the peace of mind that my shot is going to hit where I point it. 

I really like the sumtoy mount on my 870SM. I don't need cheek weld if the dot is pointed where I need it to be.

[bwhana]

I went from the bead to a dead ringer when I switched to LBXR. More for close range shots than out to 40. The tighter patterns required it for me and was not much different with tss. Once the reading glass disease started, I couldn't see both the ring and front bead, so went with red dots. Astigmatism makes them blur a touch, but tolerable. If that gets worse, I'll get a prism scope or quit. The evolution story of aging!

[davisd9]

I prefer a bead, but nothing against a reflex. Just my opinion, and oh yeah, opinions are like ...


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[g8rvet]

I added a Holosun for a very different reason.  I hunt O/U (or SxS) exclusively for duck/geese and upland birds.  It points very natural for me as I have been doing it so long (literally 50 years).  So I wanted a little 20 O/U with a double trigger and an up-close and a 20-40 barrel.  I have it set so inside 20 I use 7.5 lead and 21-40 I use #7 Federal Heavyweight (I still have a bunch).  I got it decent with a bead, but at 63, my sight is not 100% in all light conditions and I had to think about hold position on close vs far.  So I decided on a green dot and viola. I put it at where feather meets skin for either barrel and as long as my range is good, my pattern is excellent for both. I shot one in a bit of a rush this year-great nephew shot the close strutter at 20 yards and I had not even yet seen the bird at 30 yards.  At the shot, he popped his head up in the thick stuff (great nephew had told me he was there, I just had not yet seen him).  At the shot, #2 craned his neck up to see what the commotion was and I cleanly brought the gun up without even thinking and took him at 31 steps with the correct trigger and load.  Our first double up!