Trumpets???

[3bailey3]

Bull your calling matchs up with the best I have heard!

[WLT III]

Who should I be listening to? Id love to hear some sound files.

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Just listen to turkeys and that "turkey in your head" and emulate that as best you can.
I've listened to some of your sound files and in my opinion, you should have no trouble piling them up.

The Ol Boy who gave EZ that advice, could run toe to toe with the top 3 Senior division mouth yelpers in Nashville. Proud to call him a friend

[WLT III]

Who should I be listening to? Id love to hear some sound files.

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Just listen to turkeys and that "turkey in your head" and emulate that as best you can.
I've listened to some of your sound files and in my opinion, you should have no trouble piling them up.

The Ol Boy who gave EZ that advice, could run toe to toe with the top 3 Senior division mouth yelpers in Nashville. Proud to call him a friend

With his 5.5 Osage Buice yelper, that is.

[davisd9]

Some of you all must be  hanging with the wrong type of trumpet players.
I've heard some yelper men that sound all turkey to my ear.

I've also seen success rate go up with yelpers on hard hunted public land compared to other types of calls.


But that's not stopping me from working on a lightweight call that sounds like a sack of corn being poured on the ground, I'm getting close.

That may well be true!

However, I will say that even the most highly regarded trumpet players dont sound super realistic to me. Dont get me wrong, they sound dang good and it inspires me to get better every day. I have listend to the popular sound files from these guys on repeat for years. But, compared to the most highly regarded mouth call guys, it's not even close. I think the trumpet has all the elements of realism, its just very difficult to put them together in a compelte, realistic package (if that makes any sense). The roll over isnt quite right and its very hard to get the shrill front end with a throaty, raspy, honky back end and then put it all together with the correct cadence. A handful of guys get close (I like to think myself included), but never as close as even just above average mouth callers.

Thats pretty sweet that you have a public land secret weapon! The majority of birds I hunt are on public land. Unfortunately for me, that hasnt been my experience. I have killed or almost killed birds on public that I dont believe I would have if not for the trumpet. That said, generally the realism and versatility of the mouth call wins for me. If i could only take one call to hunt heavily pressured public land birds, its gonna be a mouth call almost all of the time. Certainly open to the fact that this may change in the future.

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Respectfully, other than Mark, you Sir, are listening to the wrong players

Who should I be listening to? Id love to hear some sound files.

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Listen to turkeys and you will see you short stroke your yelps then start drawing too much air. The first couple yelps on the Mero Gidgee is pretty good then it goes away. Do not listen to people, listen to the real thing.


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[BullTom]

Some of you all must be  hanging with the wrong type of trumpet players.
I've heard some yelper men that sound all turkey to my ear.

I've also seen success rate go up with yelpers on hard hunted public land compared to other types of calls.


But that's not stopping me from working on a lightweight call that sounds like a sack of corn being poured on the ground, I'm getting close.

That may well be true!

However, I will say that even the most highly regarded trumpet players dont sound super realistic to me. Dont get me wrong, they sound dang good and it inspires me to get better every day. I have listend to the popular sound files from these guys on repeat for years. But, compared to the most highly regarded mouth call guys, it's not even close. I think the trumpet has all the elements of realism, its just very difficult to put them together in a compelte, realistic package (if that makes any sense). The roll over isnt quite right and its very hard to get the shrill front end with a throaty, raspy, honky back end and then put it all together with the correct cadence. A handful of guys get close (I like to think myself included), but never as close as even just above average mouth callers.

Thats pretty sweet that you have a public land secret weapon! The majority of birds I hunt are on public land. Unfortunately for me, that hasnt been my experience. I have killed or almost killed birds on public that I dont believe I would have if not for the trumpet. That said, generally the realism and versatility of the mouth call wins for me. If i could only take one call to hunt heavily pressured public land birds, its gonna be a mouth call almost all of the time. Certainly open to the fact that this may change in the future.

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Respectfully, other than Mark, you Sir, are listening to the wrong players

Who should I be listening to? Id love to hear some sound files.

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Listen to turkeys and you will see you short stroke your yelps then start drawing too much air. The first couple yelps on the Mero Gidgee is pretty good then it goes away. Do not listen to people, listen to the real thing.


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Yes, I agree. I listen to hen recordings and hens in the wild as much as possible. Most of the time I am practicing, I am trying to mimic a real hen in a sound file. I was actually just comparing my most recent recording of me calling on a trumpet to a recording of a wild hen realier today... I need more practice!

However, unfortunately I havent found  any videos of wild turkey hens offering  tips and tricks on how to make a trumpet call sound more like a real wild hen. Thats typically when i turn to videos of people running trumpet calls. Just watching and listening with the hopes of seeing or hearing somthing that helps me mimmic that real hen better. I also just really enjoy hearing people call well on a trumpet call. Its like watching a skilled musician play their instrument. For me, the trumpet is just for fun.

Additionally, I am well aware that my trumpet calling doesnt sound all that realistic. Hence the position i have held in earlier posts on this thread. Also why i typically prefer a mouth call for realism in situations where a "short stroked yelp" might hinder my chances of calling in the turkey.

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[bbcoach]

Now were talking about the true sound of the trumpet, Gentlemen.  This is exactly what I put up this thread for.  I personally don't hear the YE AWK (high and low) of the hen in the trumpet.  Maybe it's the novice in me but many of the Top Notch, Bonifide trumpet players don't have it either IMO.  I have to say though, The Trumpet gets it done!  Is it the cadence or pitch or frequency that fires up those stubborn Gobblers?  Redwad has made a post that talks about his dog's reaction to the trumpet.  I have always wondered if any of our calls (boxes, pots, diaphragms etc) has to have that certain Frequency.  Interesting to Think and Talk about.   

[davisd9]

Yes, I agree. I listen to hen recordings and hens in the wild as much as possible. Most of the time I am practicing, I am trying to mimic a real hen in a sound file. I was actually just comparing my most recent recording of me calling on a trumpet to a recording of a wild hen realier today... I need more practice!

However, unfortunately I havent found  any videos of wild turkey hens offering  tips and tricks on how to make a trumpet call sound more like a real wild hen. Thats typically when i turn to videos of people running trumpet calls. Just watching and listening with the hopes of seeing or hearing somthing that helps me mimmic that real hen better. I also just really enjoy hearing people call well on a trumpet call. Its like watching a skilled musician play their instrument. For me, the trumpet is just for fun.

Additionally, I am well aware that my trumpet calling doesnt sound all that realistic. Hence the position i have held in earlier posts on this thread. Also why i typically prefer a mouth call for realism in situations where a "short stroked yelp" might hinder my chances of calling in the turkey.

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You get no more information from watching other people sound files. Very rarely is a good caller making a vocalization then explaining what they are doing. You have to listen, then experiment on producing the sound. You can do the same with a live hen videos.


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[BullTom]

Yes, I agree. I listen to hen recordings and hens in the wild as much as possible. Most of the time I am practicing, I am trying to mimic a real hen in a sound file. I was actually just comparing my most recent recording of me calling on a trumpet to a recording of a wild hen realier today... I need more practice!

However, unfortunately I havent found  any videos of wild turkey hens offering  tips and tricks on how to make a trumpet call sound more like a real wild hen. Thats typically when i turn to videos of people running trumpet calls. Just watching and listening with the hopes of seeing or hearing somthing that helps me mimmic that real hen better. I also just really enjoy hearing people call well on a trumpet call. Its like watching a skilled musician play their instrument. For me, the trumpet is just for fun.

Additionally, I am well aware that my trumpet calling doesnt sound all that realistic. Hence the position i have held in earlier posts on this thread. Also why i typically prefer a mouth call for realism in situations where a "short stroked yelp" might hinder my chances of calling in the turkey.

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You get no more information from watching other people sound files. Very rarely is a good caller making a vocalization then explaining what they are doing. You have to listen, then experiment on producing the sound. You can do the same with a live hen videos.


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Perhaps YOU dont get any information this way, but I have learned a lot from just observing. Explanations help, but observing subtle things like how top callers hold their hands, move their jaw, the angle that they hold the call, how their throat is moving, etc., etc., has helped shorten the learning curve for me when I transitoned to the "Farmer/Draw" calling method a couple of years ago.

I have been calling and hunting turkeys for nearly 30 years. Although I am far from an expert caller, I am better than most and trying to get better every day. Particualrly on a mouth call. I have learned a lot over the years about calling technique from watching the behavior of top callers. To suggest that there is nothing to glean from observing good callers is just nonsense.

Two things can be true at once. I believe there is value in learning calling technique from observing human callers AND from checking yourself against real hens. In fact, I recently had a pretty significant breakthrough from watching videos of a very good trumpet caller on a fb trumpet group. I came to the realization that I was drawing too much air and trying to hard to call loudly (among other small tweaks). That breakthrough likely wouldnt have come (atleast not as quickly) by just listening to a hen.

The cool thing about this game is that you dont have to watch people play turkey calls if you dont want to. I will continue to as much as possible. I think other visual learners should too. Thanks for all the advice, though! Have a good one.

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[davisd9]

Yes, I agree. I listen to hen recordings and hens in the wild as much as possible. Most of the time I am practicing, I am trying to mimic a real hen in a sound file. I was actually just comparing my most recent recording of me calling on a trumpet to a recording of a wild hen realier today... I need more practice!

However, unfortunately I havent found  any videos of wild turkey hens offering  tips and tricks on how to make a trumpet call sound more like a real wild hen. Thats typically when i turn to videos of people running trumpet calls. Just watching and listening with the hopes of seeing or hearing somthing that helps me mimmic that real hen better. I also just really enjoy hearing people call well on a trumpet call. Its like watching a skilled musician play their instrument. For me, the trumpet is just for fun.

Additionally, I am well aware that my trumpet calling doesnt sound all that realistic. Hence the position i have held in earlier posts on this thread. Also why i typically prefer a mouth call for realism in situations where a "short stroked yelp" might hinder my chances of calling in the turkey.

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You get no more information from watching other people sound files. Very rarely is a good caller making a vocalization then explaining what they are doing. You have to listen, then experiment on producing the sound. You can do the same with a live hen videos.


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Perhaps YOU dont get any information this way, but I have learned a lot from just observing. Explanations help, but observing subtle things like how top callers hold their hands, move their jaw, the angle that they hold the call, how their throat is moving, etc., etc., has helped shorten the learning curve for me when I transitoned to the "Farmer/Draw" calling method a couple of years ago.

I have been calling and hunting turkeys for nearly 30 years. Although I am far from an expert caller, I am better than most and trying to get better every day. Particualrly on a mouth call. I have learned a lot over the years about calling technique from watching the behavior of top callers. To suggest that there is nothing to glean from observing good callers is just nonsense.

Two things can be true at once. I believe there is value in learning calling technique from observing human callers AND from checking yourself against real hens. In fact, I recently had a pretty significant breakthrough from watching videos of a very good trumpet caller on a fb trumpet group. I came to the realization that I was drawing too much air and trying to hard to call loudly (among other small tweaks). That breakthrough likely wouldnt have come (atleast not as quickly) by just listening to a hen.

The cool thing about this game is that you dont have to watch people play turkey calls if you dont want to. I will continue to as much as possible. I think other visual learners should too. Thanks for all the advice, though! Have a good one.

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Create a backend to your yelp and you are well on your way. What you have breaking into a strong backend will be great. Then start working on the nuances within the yelp and that is when life starts happening. Nuances are tough and create a frustrating plateau at times. Good luck on your quest, a caller from a quality builder has the ability, we are the weak link.


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[EZ]

Sounds like some really good discussions for Unicoi, lol.

The one thing you can garner from watching (and listening) to accomplished callers, is how little effort they put into it...the "less is more" factor.

We're kind of getting into the calling technique and away from the original "what is the allure of trumpets (yelpers) on turkeys?"

IMHO, I think it is inherently built into the call. There's something about the sound produced that turkeys just like. I base that solely on my experience and not what someone else said. When I go turkey hunting, I take my "A Game". I don't carry anything because of the "coolness" factor or historic significance or the degree of difficulty and over the years, yelpers have gone from on the team, but sitting the bench to designated hitter to lead off AND clean up. They earned those spots. And that's coming from someone who was a contest caller with mouth and pot calls for several years in the late 80's, early 90's.

One other thing I will give my opinion on. Everyone marvels at the great callers that really draw that rasp. It does sound cool and realistic. I love it and have learned it....but, again, IMHO, turkeys don't care one iota whether it's raspy or clear or in between.

See y'all at Unicoi, lol!!!

[GregGwaltney]

Sounds like some really good discussions for Unicoi, lol.

The one thing you can garner from watching (and listening) to accomplished callers, is how little effort they put into it...the "less is more" factor.

We're kind of getting into the calling technique and away from the original "what is the allure of trumpets (yelpers) on turkeys?"

IMHO, I think it is inherently built into the call. There's something about the sound produced that turkeys just like. I base that solely on my experience and not what someone else said. When I go turkey hunting, I take my "A Game". I don't carry anything because of the "coolness" factor or historic significance or the degree of difficulty and over the years, yelpers have gone from on the team, but sitting the bench to designated hitter to lead off AND clean up. They earned those spots. And that's coming from someone who was a contest caller with mouth and pot calls for several years in the late 80's, early 90's.

One other thing I will give my opinion on. Everyone marvels at the great callers that really draw that rasp. It does sound cool and realistic. I love it and have learned it....but, again, IMHO, turkeys don't care one iota whether it's raspy or clear or in between.

See y'all at Unicoi, lol!!!

Very true Tony. Frankly, I have killed a lot more turkeys with clear calling (whatever call style I used), maybe that is because I had early success and tended to go that route more often? In any event, I use a trumpet for the enjoyment/challenge, don't even care if it "works the best", although I do believe it is plenty good....Hope to see you guys at Unicoi.

[Greg Massey]

Sounds like some really good discussions for Unicoi, lol.

The one thing you can garner from watching (and listening) to accomplished callers, is how little effort they put into it...the "less is more" factor.

We're kind of getting into the calling technique and away from the original "what is the allure of trumpets (yelpers) on turkeys?"

IMHO, I think it is inherently built into the call. There's something about the sound produced that turkeys just like. I base that solely on my experience and not what someone else said. When I go turkey hunting, I take my "A Game". I don't carry anything because of the "coolness" factor or historic significance or the degree of difficulty and over the years, yelpers have gone from on the team, but sitting the bench to designated hitter to lead off AND clean up. They earned those spots. And that's coming from someone who was a contest caller with mouth and pot calls for several years in the late 80's, early 90's.

One other thing I will give my opinion on. Everyone marvels at the great callers that really draw that rasp. It does sound cool and realistic. I love it and have learned it....but, again, IMHO, turkeys don't care one iota whether it's raspy or clear or in between.

See y'all at Unicoi, lol!!!

Very true Tony. Frankly, I have killed a lot more turkeys with clear calling (whatever call style I used), maybe that is because I had early success and tended to go that route more often? In any event, I use a trumpet for the enjoyment/challenge, don't even care if it "works the best", although I do believe it is plenty good....Hope to see you guys at Unicoi.

Totally agree the turkeys don't care if it's clear or raspy. As I've said use what works best in the areas your going to hunt, this could mean changing out your calls ... But regardless i'm going to use what I think works best for me ... Air Calls etc...  Good Post everyone ... We can always learn ... IMO

[WLT III]

Some of you all must be  hanging with the wrong type of trumpet players.
I've heard some yelper men that sound all turkey to my ear.

I've also seen success rate go up with yelpers on hard hunted public land compared to other types of calls.


But that's not stopping me from working on a lightweight call that sounds like a sack of corn being poured on the ground, I'm getting close.

That may well be true!

However, I will say that even the most highly regarded trumpet players dont sound super realistic to me. Dont get me wrong, they sound dang good and it inspires me to get better every day. I have listend to the popular sound files from these guys on repeat for years. But, compared to the most highly regarded mouth call guys, it's not even close. I think the trumpet has all the elements of realism, its just very difficult to put them together in a compelte, realistic package (if that makes any sense). The roll over isnt quite right and its very hard to get the shrill front end with a throaty, raspy, honky back end and then put it all together with the correct cadence. A handful of guys get close (I like to think myself included), but never as close as even just above average mouth callers.

Thats pretty sweet that you have a public land secret weapon! The majority of birds I hunt are on public land. Unfortunately for me, that hasnt been my experience. I have killed or almost killed birds on public that I dont believe I would have if not for the trumpet. That said, generally the realism and versatility of the mouth call wins for me. If i could only take one call to hunt heavily pressured public land birds, its gonna be a mouth call almost all of the time. Certainly open to the fact that this may change in the future.

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Respectfully, other than Mark, you Sir, are listening to the wrong players

Who should I be listening to? Id love to hear some sound files.

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The Gentleman I speak of, does not do soundfiles. As for calling "correct", there is realistic calling and unrealistic calling. At times, either will get turkeys kilt.

[BullTom]

Some of you all must be  hanging with the wrong type of trumpet players.
I've heard some yelper men that sound all turkey to my ear.

I've also seen success rate go up with yelpers on hard hunted public land compared to other types of calls.


But that's not stopping me from working on a lightweight call that sounds like a sack of corn being poured on the ground, I'm getting close.

That may well be true!

However, I will say that even the most highly regarded trumpet players dont sound super realistic to me. Dont get me wrong, they sound dang good and it inspires me to get better every day. I have listend to the popular sound files from these guys on repeat for years. But, compared to the most highly regarded mouth call guys, it's not even close. I think the trumpet has all the elements of realism, its just very difficult to put them together in a compelte, realistic package (if that makes any sense). The roll over isnt quite right and its very hard to get the shrill front end with a throaty, raspy, honky back end and then put it all together with the correct cadence. A handful of guys get close (I like to think myself included), but never as close as even just above average mouth callers.

Thats pretty sweet that you have a public land secret weapon! The majority of birds I hunt are on public land. Unfortunately for me, that hasnt been my experience. I have killed or almost killed birds on public that I dont believe I would have if not for the trumpet. That said, generally the realism and versatility of the mouth call wins for me. If i could only take one call to hunt heavily pressured public land birds, its gonna be a mouth call almost all of the time. Certainly open to the fact that this may change in the future.

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Respectfully, other than Mark, you Sir, are listening to the wrong players

Who should I be listening to? Id love to hear some sound files.

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The Gentleman I speak of, does not do soundfiles. As for calling "correct", there is realistic calling and unrealistic calling. At times, either will get turkeys kilt.

I agree with everything you just said. But you also said I was listening to the "wrong" trumpet guys. I was just wondering who the correct trumpet guys were. Thats all. Thanks and have a good one.

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[WLT III]

In terms of realism, Mark in person, is as real as it gets on a yelper. I'm not talking about a string of 6 or 7 semi raspy, one note monotone yelps, with a half  hiccup thrown in either. Inflection = realism