Black hills draw

[tbowers]

Improvise, adapt and overcome. Maybe some day hunting will get less popular, but probably wont anytime soon. As Mr Owens eludes to in that video description, you can sit around and complain and make excuses or go out and do the work and see what happens. Or make the decision to stay home or go somewhere else.

BH in particular is such a pretty area that I look at it as a nice trip with my daughter and pay an extra $150 or so to hike around with a shotgun

[arkrem870]

We can improvise. Adapt. And overcome as long as states chill with the quotas and non resident regulations. The noose is getting tighter every year on the traveling hunter. When you've only traveled in the loose lip YouTube era it's hard to have a good perspective on what we had. I used to have 10 otc tags in my pocket mid March just a handful of years ago....Cheers

[tbowers]

It's hard not to reminisce of the  'good old days', but in the end, it doesn't do any good -need to figure out new ways to do it everyyear. I've been hunting for 38 years seen a lot over that time!

[tbowers]

With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.

I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew? 

Yes, you are charged via the card on file...

Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew.  Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that.     

You can return your license as long as you do so prior to the 26th when season starts. Full refund. SD does this for all limited draw entries.  Probably a fair amount of guys that now will apply, and if schedules dont work out just send it back and you get your money back...no risk. Wonder if they publish how many get returned....

[GobbleNut]

With all the emails sent out by SD Game and Fish, I would bet the bank a lot of people applied "just because." And that a lot of permits will go unused.

I didn't look at the particulars about the drawing but based on the above comment, might I assume that folks are not charged the nonresident license fee automatically if they drew? 

Yes, you are charged via the card on file...

Based on that, I would guess there aren't a whole lot of folks that would sacrifice the nonresident license fee if they weren't planning on going for sure, assuming they drew.  Then again, maybe some would...but this old boy wouldn't do that.   

You can return your license as long as you do so prior to the 26th when season starts. Full refund. SD does this for all limited draw entries.  Probably a fair amount of guys that now will apply, and if schedules dont work out just send it back and you get your money back...no risk. Wonder if they publish how many get returned....

I will be surprised if that policy is not changed under the new nonresident-draw system. We'll see. At a minimum, there should be a "re-draw" system put in place wherein if the license is not purchased within a certain timeframe that the permit goes to the first individual below the "cut line".

NM used to have a similar system where people could apply for permits but were not required to buy the license if they drew. Too much "gaming" of the system, as well as concerns that anti-hunters were applying for permits (for $7, as I recall) with no intention of using them...just taking them out of the hands of actual hunters that would. 

Our G&F Department finally wised up. Now, if someone applies for a permit and draws, they are automatically charged for the license with no refund allowance (except for some very specific exceptions). That stops a lot of the shenanigans people tend to play.

[WV Flopper]

 Just like said previously. I will guarantee several of those BH permits went to people that have 0 intention in hunting but only intent to save a turkey.

Great system .

[eggshell]

Prairie permits are still available , I believe. One of these days I would like to try one of those areas. My daughter has turkeys where she lives in SD but its not open to non residents.

 I have a funny story from last year. I sent her a trumpet call to play with. She was out shooting her bow on the wildlife area range and Gobblers were sounding off. She wanted to try and call one in and couldn't get any sound out of the trumpet. So she called my cell and said, I can't get this call to work. She says," I have blew and blew on it and get no sound". I chuckled and realized she had never seen a trumpet used. I had a wing bone in my truck so I told her to wait and I'd show her on a face time call. I got the wingbone out and showed her how to place it and huff air back through it. At my first demonstration (standing beside my truck) a gobbler answers on the hill above me and I Go, Holy crap a bird just answered". I quickly handed the phone over to my wife and grabbed my gun and vest and took off. Fifteen minutes later I was back with a nice gobbler. Oh yeah she lives along the Missouri River in South Dakota and I am in Ohio. 

[tbowers]

Be cool if they do like ID and other states that allow returns, and have a sale of all returned licenses a week or so prior to season. On those the sale is final. In the current system, there could be 500 licenses returned(who knows) and they dont reallocate them. I of course hope for that since I have a tag and plan to go

[High plains drifter]

Do different....man social media is wrecking hunting. Arkansas duck hunting is absolutely crazy now and the cameras are a major problem.

It's the same with turkey hunting. Pimping a public resource for profit is the lowest form of hunter. Yet fools celebrate these guys because they simply don't know any better. I have no love for any of them. The pennies they've made has been paid 1000 times in lost opportunity for the public Hunter.  And it's only getting started. Like and subscribe to your own demise

yeah I don't think those guys are good for hunting.They are all over the place.

[High plains drifter]

A particular state I hunt each spring is an absolute rodeo on the opener, I really don't think it has anything to do with social media, most folks are locals.

Concentrated turkeys where a lot of people know they are is a problem!

However I have found a few off the beaten path spots and have been able to kill birds, but if you go to the obvious spots it just isn't any fun!  More issues with slob hunters than I have ever seen, unfortunately it is becoming the norm in most places.

Go back and review the number of tags sold then look at the dates of the videos that are posted in this thread. Agree

Youtubers/Social media attention seekers are not solely to blame, but DO bear the biggest burden of what has happened in the last 8 years or so. Other than to personally profit, there is no reason to name states. Much less the spots that have been blatantly given up.
All for what? So a handful of guys can get "likes". Get a job like the rest of us.
I'll hunt a minimum of a dozen states this year and no one outside of close friends will know a thing. If you are hunting for the right reasons, it's not necessary to broadcast your every move for attention.