Winchester TSS Longbeards On Shelf

[fmf]

The payload is the problem. I shoot 2 oz of #8 and it's deadly as it's still doing around 280/10".    Kinda like #2 lead with pattern density.

There's 508 tss 8s in 2oz
There's 176 pb 2s in 2oz

It has to be far far superior to #2 lead in pattern density. Closer to lead 6s honestly

I think you read that wrong

Which part? How do you read it?

That the load hes talking about has the energy of lead 2s, but also has pattern density. Not that the load has the pattern density of lead 2s.

[Number17]

That the load hes talking about has the energy of lead 2s, but also has pattern density. Not that the load has the pattern density of lead 2s.

That would make a much better comparison, but still quite a stretch. 8 TSS is generally compared to #4 lead. A four size differential is mostly talked about, some say even 5 sizes, never heard a split of 6. Who knows, maybe?
I still don't know why the "payload is the problem"? Too much of a good thing?

I can't keep up with what's cool and what's not cool in the turkey world. LOL
I have friends who were all in on the 3.5" magnum loads who now shoot .410s

So there's the infamous Gooserbat shooting 2oz of 8s. Is he sad, pathetic, and mistaken......or does that just apply to other hunters who aren't in the club?
I bought a BACON call off him a few years ago. Man that call ran good.

[Dtrkyman]

"With number 8s, I know I can get 220 in a 10" circle at 40 yds. Using the . 7 rule, that means I can get 100 in a 10" circle out to a little over 60 yds. And the 8s give 1.25" penetration out to 92 yds."

Copied from Hal Abbot, his reasoning for shooting 9s is they run out of pattern and penetration around the same distance, I believe 72 yards.

With that heavy of a load of 8s the pattern will hold up farther than 60!

 The 220 in the ten is with 1 5/8th oz. of 8s as well as the 72 yard efficacy of 9s.

So if one's pattern can hold up to 92yds the 8s would penetrate a turkey head and neck.

Crazy!!!


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[Gooserbat]

The Infamous Gooserbat will Tommy-Swat turkeys at 70 with tss #8.  I have killed over my 50 bird's in the last several years with tss in 8, 8.5, and 9 shot.  I honestly can't tell a big difference in it except for #8.  It is like a sledge hammer at extended range.  If you're shooting a 12 ga as I do, imho it's going to be the ticket.  I also found that a 2 oz load patterns tighter than the heavier loads and puts just as many pellets on paper for less $$$

[Greg Massey]

Rogers Sporting goods has them listed for sale, if anyone is wanting some of them... Winchester XR ....


For myself, I'm not going to torture myself or my guns to that payload... LOL

[Number17]

$84 retail. $70 on sale. 1100fps and comes in #8 or #9 shot.

Wowsers!

[Number17]

The Infamous Gooserbat will Tommy-Swat turkeys at 70 with tss #8.  I have killed over my 50 bird's in the last several years with tss in 8, 8.5, and 9 shot.  I honestly can't tell a big difference in it except for #8.  It is like a sledge hammer at extended range.  If you're shooting a 12 ga as I do, imho it's going to be the ticket.  I also found that a 2 oz load patterns tighter than the heavier loads and puts just as many pellets on paper for less $$$

Thanks for your real world experience and honesty. There is no denying the reality of what these loads are capable of.
I have boxes and boxes of 1 3/4oz #9s so I'm not in the market for 12g shells anytime soon, but those lighter 1 - 1.5oz 12g loads in 9 or 9.5 is probably what I'd try next.
My .410 knocks them down so nicely that the lighter payload has proven itself with me.

[zelmo1]

I shoot 1.5 0z of #9 TSS out of my 28 gauge and its never failed me. I went sub gauge to lighten my load and reduce recoil. If I ever use my 12 again, it will be with Longbeard #5 lead. I probably won't even go to 3.5" loads as I think it is unnecessary. If you kill turkeys cleanly, stick to what works for you. I have a feeling that with some real world feedback on the new Winchester TSS, they will be a solid performer. But, it is tough to beat a hand worked load that you tailor to your setup. Good luck and God Bless. Z

[Spring Creek Calls]

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[Dtrkyman]

Some patterns on youtube, it looks devastating as one would assume with all that shot!

No thanks for me, I will keep rolling with hand loaded 20ga!

[sswv]

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I bet that load kicks like a stubborn mule.

[WV Flopper]

 There's is a one shot, 12" circle? pattern on you tube. Blue collar outdoors.

Sorry, I know there's a lot of you tube haters here.

[Yoder409]

I'm thinking, those.....in #8 shot....would be absolute DEATH on fox and coyotes.

If I didn't have a BPS 10 gauge and a whole bunch of 3 1/2"  lead #2's I'd be interested.

[Jbird22]

The majority of folks still hunt with 12 gauges, that is why the market is still 12 gauge heavy. Social media would lead to you believe different, but there are still a whole lot of turkey hunters who haven't swapped to 20 gauges or even TSS. I've been handloading 3.5" 12 gauge loads since 2015 and still haven't swapped to a 20 gauge because I love my shotgun and see no need to "fix what ain't broken". I'm also shooting 2.5oz loads of #8s. I initially started with #8.5s, but was getting too many fliers that'd end up in a breast. Through extensive testing, it was easy to confirm dropping to #8s gave me a bit tighter core and less fliers. I doubt I ever change my loads again unless I swap guns. As many people that I talk to that complain about pellets in breast, I'm willing to bet more would drop from #9s to a larger shot if they'd experiment and not shoot what the internet tells them to shoot. Lot of folks are hung up on getting 300"+ in a 10" circle though.

My one concern with the TSS longbeard loads would be how dang tight it'd be at closer distances. I shot them some when the original longbeards first came out and there wasn't much wiggle room for error under 30 yards! Those TSS #8s are going to hold that super tight pattern even further I imagine.

It's not about trying to "fix what ain't broken". If I can carry a lighter gun and spend less $ per shell to load, all while not being handicapped by the smaller gauge, then why wouldn't I? Shoot what you want by all means, but if you have no personal experience with the 20 ga, then your opinion is heavily biased by your disdain for the internet/social media.

As for the Win TSS, the payload is overkill IMO but people are free to do what they want. I'm pretty sure I read the loads are buffered and don't use the resin technology like the lead LB XR's. It's certainly unnecessary with TSS.

[GobbleNut]

I see Winchester "Last Call" TSS waterfowl loads available in #9's.  I wonder if these shells would be adequate for turkeys?  If not, maybe one of our TSS experts could explain why or why not. They are about half the cost of turkey loads it appears. 

I'm still interested in knowing what our TSS experts have to say about using the above loads for turkeys? Shot weight is a bit lower than most TSS turkey loads, but the velocity is higher.  Anybody want to explain or speculate on whether these shells would be advisable for turkey hunting at ranges out to 40 or so? The cost difference in these shells over regular TSS turkey loads is enough that I am tempted to give them a try...but I am no ballistics expert and would like opinions from some of those who might be more knowledgeable about these sorts of things.