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12 ga Turkey Gun Pattern Pictures / Re: T/C Encore 12 GA. Herters ...

Last post by Franklin7x57 - Today at 12:21:16 PM

I see a new 3" 12 gauge now, I bet the 2 3/4" is or will be discontinued. It's a shame too, I believe that 1.5 ounces of TSS is all you need.

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Turkey Pot Call & Strikers Classifieds / Re: WTB Andy Kaiser

Last post by Jbird22 - Today at 12:20:06 PM

I have a few of Andy's pot calls that I would part with if anyone is interested. I didn't know he had stopped making calls, hate to hear that. PM me if interested.

What ones im interested

1. Shedua pot - Glass surface
2. Ambrosia Maple pot - Glass surface
3. Zebrawood/Redheart laminate pot - Bronze Glass surface

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Turkey Calls / Re: Ben Lee

Last post by callmakerman - Today at 12:05:20 PM

No one gives these single slates any credit for being turkey killers. Run the call and learn to open and close the sound chamber that you make by cupping this style call in the palm of your hand. Some of these get louder than others and truth be told you don't need to call loud to get a turkey's attention. From fighting purrs, clucks, normal purring and yelps this call will do it all and sound great. Practice with it and I'm sure you will be surprised with the results.

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12 ga Turkey Gun Pattern Pictures / Re: T/C Encore 12 GA. Herters ...

Last post by TooTallOutdoorss - Today at 11:59:48 AM

Why cant I find anymore the herters 12 gauge 2-3/4 inch tss shells? Ive looked everywhere online and cant find them and cabelas/basspro claims they do but when I click the link the website crashes.

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General Forum / Re: 2-3/4" vs 3" vs 3-1/2"

Last post by NOmad - Today at 11:54:58 AM

Biggest difference is pellet count. I have shot hundreds of different TSS loads and have never noticed a material difference in felt recoil within the same gauge. If you aren't trying to shoot past 40 then any turkey load sold today will have enough "power" to get the job done.

So the longbeards I use have 1-3/4 oz and the shells I am looking at are the salt creek ammo 2-3/4" and they have 1-5/8oz. I know pellet count is the main difference but so I am not losing anything important by going to a small shell? That was my fear I didnt want to sacrifice power or anything for a quarter inch less of a shell.

No, not losing anything important. Remember, people are killing turkeys stone dead from 20-35 yards all season long with .410's. Any turkey load you put in your gun, regardless of pellet material and assuming the gun is patterned well and intentionally, is going to get the job done. The number one difference maker when it comes to turkey loads are the shots you choose to take - take smart, appropriate shots and you can kill him with a Red Ryder.

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Turkey Calls / Re: Ben Lee

Last post by EZ - Today at 11:54:48 AM

Great call for soft "flock talk"!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27HiQjBDEwk

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Misc. Turkey Gun Related Classifieds / Re: Swampfox Kingslayer Red Ci...

Last post by chbarnha - Today at 11:49:28 AM

I will take this


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#8

Turkey Locator Calls / Re: Walnut Hawk Screamer

Last post by chbarnha - Today at 11:47:32 AM

I'm interested in one of these as well


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Turkey Locator Calls / What’s the “go to” on crow cal...

Last post by chbarnha - Today at 11:46:22 AM

I just got one in the mail from lonehowl on here and it is phenomenal. Definitely a top notch call


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#10

General Forum / Re: 20 gauge lead load

Last post by greentrout - Today at 11:41:51 AM

This entire thread proves that a lot of people don't understand what tss and it's concept is.  I could try to explain it but in a nutshell it pattern density not just heavier than lead shot.  Never will 1 1/2 oz of #6 lead (336 pellets,) be as dense as 1 5/8 oz of tss #9 (594 pellets). That's what makes it work. 

After spending the last 6 years on TSS load development I think I understand it better than your average joe. I think what this thread has really proved is that TSS has became a crutch for turkey hunters and they are adverse to alternate options. So much so they don't want to accept it's possible.

You first tried to say we couldn't fit more than 1-1/4oz in a wad. I have posted multiple pictures to show 1-1/2oz fits with room to spare.

I wholeheartedly agree that you will have more pattern density with the tss load, but there is a point of diminishing returns.

Sure, we can put 300 pellets in a 10" circle with TSS, but is that turkey at 40 yards any more dead than the turkey shot with lead 6's that had 150 pellets in the 10" circle? No sir.

It's time we come back down to earth with shotshell load development. TSS has made us greedy. There's not a thing in the world wrong with cheap nickel plated lead. Lead shot has been and always will be the standard by which other shot materials are judged. We don't need 250 pellets in a 10" circle to kill a turkey.

First I did not say you couldn't get more than 1 1/4 oz of shot in a 20 gauge.  I said or meant to say that it was relevant to wad volume and 1 1/4 oz was what filled up the wad.  You are correct in the assumption that if you change the wad you change the volume.  I agree tss is a tool but not necessary.  I've been shooting it for 10 years and learned to hand load a long while before you could buy it as loaded ammo.  Now where I believe we're going to disagree is the 40 yard thing.  I personally don't care if a bird is 15 yards or 60.  If my gun is proven to be lethal at that range I'm taking the bird.  And yes a 250/40 is a clean kill at 60 yards.  Id probably get people at my house with torches and pitchforks if I posted some of the shot distance I've seen over the years from guys who have truly developed loads to kill turkeys at ridiculous ranges. I understand it's fool hardy to post those and I don't neither do I advocate for it but I do accept the reality that it's not a 40 yard game if you don't want it to be.  But that's up to you and there is no wrong answer.

For what it's worth if I were to shoot lead again out of a 20 gauge it would be nickel plated and either #6.5 or #7 in as heavy as payload as possible.

So that would be pheasant loads effectively?