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Turkey Guns & Shooting => 12 ga Browning pattern pictures => Topic started by: Magdump on March 24, 2019, 11:10:19 AM

Title: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Magdump on March 24, 2019, 11:10:19 AM
I recently asked William to make me the tightest choke possible for #9 TSS and so he built me a .665 choke.

Here are the patterns at 20, 40, 50, and 60 yards.

I don't believe blasting birds at distance is something we should try to do or strive for.  Like most of you, I work hard to get them at 20 yards or closer.  Still, I am intrigued by what science and the latest design/component innovations can be capable of and so I tested at extended range.

My testing confirms what many of you have said, that TSS likes a more open choke.  Compared to the Jebs .660 (see my other thread) the .665 was a significant performace improvement in terms of increased pattern density.  Still, I have very little room for error at 20 yards (and the head is probably going to come off if I do hit it) and 60 is probably too far.

My top barrel has the spreader choke and that is only good to 15 yards and that is pushing it.  It really lives up to its name!  So 20 yards is too far for the spreader choke in the top barrel and too close for the .665 in the bottom barrel.  So the .665 is perhaps a bit impractical.  Anyway, enough jibber jabber, here are the results:

20 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2020%20Yards.jpg)


40 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2040%20Yards.jpg)



50 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2050%20Yards.jpg)


60 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2060%20Yards.jpg)
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: altrkyaddict12 on April 10, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
how was the poi on the cynergy with both barrels?
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Magdump on April 10, 2019, 11:37:15 AM
I zero'd the dot for the long distance (lower) barrel/choke and luckily, the top barrel with the spreader choke hits to the same POI.
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: altrkyaddict12 on April 10, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
im picking up my cynergy tomorrow gonna put either vortex venom on mine or a leupold delta pro so interesting to see how it turns an how the poi is for both barrels did you ever find any sling mounts to work with the cynergy
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Magdump on April 10, 2019, 12:08:52 PM
Never did get around to fitting a sling to it yet.  It is fine without one but it would be handy.

Let us know how your new Cynergy shoots! 
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: altrkyaddict12 on April 10, 2019, 02:39:18 PM
how much difference is the recoil between 3 in to 3 1/2 in tss loads?
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Magdump on April 10, 2019, 02:45:21 PM
No idea.  Never shot a 3 1/2 before.  I just use 3" or 2 3/4.  Can the Cynergy take 3 1/2"?
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: altrkyaddict12 on April 10, 2019, 03:45:45 PM
the ultimate turkey version i know can an im almost 99% sure the others one can as well why i ask is how is the recoil with the different loads
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: SumToy on April 11, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
you bring this up.  We tested a 665 and 675 with some long beards not tss I know lol but should be same.    The 675 gave higher numbers in the 10 but was not and even as the 665.    I think it is a double edge sword
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Magdump on April 11, 2019, 09:27:03 AM
You do great work William!  Thanks again!

Off Topic but...I am going to send you my Contender .410 barrel to work on during the "off season" so it is ready for Hawaii next March! 
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: deadbuck on April 12, 2019, 10:19:34 AM
Magdump: would you out a pic of the gun on here? and, how did you mount the dot to the gun? Thanks
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Ontario_caller on May 23, 2019, 10:04:34 AM
Never did get around to fitting a sling to it yet.  It is fine without one but it would be handy.

Let us know how your new Cynergy shoots!

I just finished out my 3rd season with mine, I thought initially I would miss the sling as all of my other turkey guns have one.
I found that having it broken and over your shoulder while holding the barrels to be even better than a sling. Super safe, very low ride with nothing to catch on brush etc. Very comfortable and easy to close quietly when you get on a bird or take up a calling location. Very handy.
I don’t miss the sling one bit now.
This gun has accounted for 6 birds now and the short and close range choke option is the real deal.
These Cynergy guns really are the ultimate turkey guns. All bases covered.

Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: 1iagobblergetter on July 20, 2019, 04:28:21 PM
Do they make the turkey model in 20g ?
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: deadbuck on April 01, 2021, 11:27:21 AM
how much difference is the recoil between 3 in to 3 1/2 in tss loads?
   

I have the Citori 12 ga 3 1/2 model and shot a turkey with a 3 1/2 Magnum blend once and the gun jumped out of my hands and landed beside me on the ground. The turkey was dead. I no longer shoot 3 1/2 inch shells for any reason since 3 inch TSS came along.
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Tom007 on April 02, 2021, 05:22:52 AM
the ultimate turkey version i know can an im almost 99% sure the others one can as well why i ask is how is the recoil with the different loads
No idea.  Never shot a 3 1/2 before.  I just use 3" or 2 3/4.  Can the Cynergy take 3 1/2"?



The Ultimate Turkey does take 3 1/2 inch. I have this gun, it handles the heavy loads real well, the recoil pad system is quite good. Less felt recoil than most guns....good luck..
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Tom007 on April 02, 2021, 05:29:03 AM
im picking up my cynergy tomorrow gonna put either vortex venom on mine or a leupold delta pro so interesting to see how it turns an how the poi is for both barrels did you ever find any sling mounts to work with the cynergy


I put a barrel clamp sling stud on the lower barrel next to fore-end. I drilled a small pilot in the back stock like normal and threaded the stud in, I put a very small amount of clear silicone on the stud threads. It is tight, just like it came from factory. The front barrel stud works great. It is great to have a sling on it...
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Tom007 on April 02, 2021, 05:33:49 AM
I recently asked William to make me the tightest choke possible for #9 TSS and so he built me a .665 choke.

Here are the patterns at 20, 40, 50, and 60 yards.

I don't believe blasting birds at distance is something we should try to do or strive for.  Like most of you, I work hard to get them at 20 yards or closer.  Still, I am intrigued by what science and the latest design/component innovations can be capable of and so I tested at extended range.

My testing confirms what many of you have said, that TSS likes a more open choke.  Compared to the Jebs .660 (see my other thread) the .665 was a significant performace improvement in terms of increased pattern density.  Still, I have very little room for error at 20 yards (and the head is probably going to come off if I do hit it) and 60 is probably too far.

My top barrel has the spreader choke and that is only good to 15 yards and that is pushing it.  It really lives up to its name!  So 20 yards is too far for the spreader choke in the top barrel and too close for the .665 in the bottom barrel.  So the .665 is perhaps a bit impractical.  Anyway, enough jibber jabber, here are the results:

20 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2020%20Yards.jpg)


40 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2040%20Yards.jpg)



50 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2050%20Yards.jpg)


60 Yards

(https://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/turkeytestpatterns/websize/Sumtoy%20665%20pattern%20test%20%20%20%20%2060%20Yards.jpg)



Fantastic patterns my friend. I want to let you know that when I use my Spreader choke in my upper barrel (usually over decoys), I use Federal 3rd degree. It throws a real nice pattern out to 20 yards for those in tight encounters. Best of luck with it.....
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Dieselfitter on May 28, 2021, 05:52:44 AM
Here is my pattern of 3.5" Apex Ninja 8.5 shot @ 40 yards from my Cynergy Ultimate turkey with 26" barrels.
Title: Re: Browning Cynergy Ultimate Turkey (the over/under) 24" barrel w/ Sumtoy .665
Post by: Tom007 on May 31, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
Here is my pattern of 3.5" Apex Ninja 8.5 shot @ 40 yards from my Cynergy Ultimate turkey with 26" barrels.

No worries there, just worry about what marinate your going to use......... :turkey2: