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A guy up the road from me owned a cornfield for years, he also acted like e owned other fields around putting up fake posted signs on other people land and claiming he had leased that land when he did not.
He also showed up on an ATV first day last year and scared off birds for me in a field near my place. Long story short, a couple years ago he sold the field he did own, but still acts like he owns it. This AM I was watch birds out there and he shows up on ATV and we were just talking and what not untill hunting that spot came up. He always hunts there, any way i have written land owner permission to hunt there and have a blind set up for the AM tomorrow (opening day). he said he didnt want me in there, i said there is more than one bird and room for two I also said i had written permission. He claims he has a deed saying he has hunting rights from when he sold it and will show me the deed. I said ok. he then got real mad started his ATV and sped off. Should I hunt there in the AM as planned even though he wil probably do something to mes sit up. or should i go else where. If i stay away does that support him bullying people? He has actually assulted someone before during deer season when he did own that land. He is not really a nice guy. I  have tried to be friendly in the past.  Should i just go elsewhere? The only reason i like the spot is cause it has lots of birds and is a great setup.
What should i do?

Thanks

I wouldn't hunt there. Hunting is to me an enjoyable time, I don't want to be looking over my shoulder all the time figuring someone is watching me. Sounds like the guy isn't a nice person and is looking for an altercation. To me there is no gobbler worth that aggravation.
(That is my opinion)

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I would go but be prepared to leave if any confrontation starts. Maybe you figure this is inevitable.

I would then contact my local warden about hunter harassment

Did the guy ever show you the deed he claims to have? What does the actual land owner say? Probably, from the sounds of it, an actual resolution might well finally involve law enforcement. Only you can decide how far you want to take it.

If you can afford it get attorneys and writs involved.  I usually take things like this to their limits.  I promised myself at about age 12 to never ever back down from a bully again.  Not always the smart move sometimes.  Ouch.  Push your game wardens on this.  They may want to keep the peace but probably have too many cases where when all is said and done nobody is willing to prosecute.  Either go all in or punt.  Of course if he does have exclusive hunting rights you're toast.  "Exclusive" the key word here.  Good luck.

I wouldn't hunt there. Most likely he will show up on his ATV, or to hunt. Either way your hunt will be ruined.
Frankly, I'm surprised you haven't done something about this previously. I would have called the game warden or local law enforcement to deal with his antics. He is trespassing, hunting illegally, and in some states that is consider armed trespass, which is a felony.

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true. what state are you in?

Tough situation, for sure.  You never know what people like that are capable of. 
If it were me, I would just go have a talk with the new landowner and find out exactly what his arrangement is with this guy.  He should be able to clarify things for you. It sounds like the new owner probably told the guy that he could hunt there after the land sale.  If that is the case, then you might end up being the odd man out if it comes down to the landowner having to decide the issue.

Regardless, I doubt seriously that there is anything written in the sales agreement with the new landowner that would state that the old landowner would have any rights to hunt the property in perpetuity.  That would be highly unusual, I think.

2 choices, give up on the spot all together and move on. Or, show up to the spot first. get set up and if he harasses you in any way, report him for interfering with a legal hunt, which is a crime, not a violation. Push it if you go this route. I hate bullies and dealt with a similar situation young guys last year. My wife got flustered and we left. I let them know it would be different at our next meeting as I would have my one of my buddies with me next time. We were there first and already set up when they were rolling out of bed. I guess I am more eloquent than I thought, cuz I didn't see them the rest of the season.  :funnyturkey:

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on April 30, 2020, 08:18:03 AM
I wouldn't hunt there. Most likely he will show up on his ATV, or to hunt. Either way your hunt will be ruined.
Frankly, I'm surprised you haven't done something about this previously. I would have called the game warden or local law enforcement to deal with his antics. He is trespassing, hunting illegally, and in some states that is consider armed trespass, which is a felony.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.I would bag it.Find another place.

Quote from: GobbleNut on April 30, 2020, 09:09:46 AM
Tough situation, for sure.  You never know what people like that are capable of. 
If it were me, I would just go have a talk with the new landowner and find out exactly what his arrangement is with this guy.  He should be able to clarify things for you. It sounds like the new owner probably told the guy that he could hunt there after the land sale.  If that is the case, then you might end up being the odd man out if it comes down to the landowner having to decide the issue.

Regardless, I doubt seriously that there is anything written in the sales agreement with the new landowner that would state that the old landowner would have any rights to hunt the property in perpetuity.  That would be highly unusual, I think.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^. Tell the bully to pound sand and keep after the game warden. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

He don't have a deed I'd be willing to bet. Get there first and stand up to him. Id let him know before opening day and I'd be firm about it. Then there's no excuses come opening day if he still comes and messes you up.

Now, if you aren't prepared to standup to him and plan on just relinquishing your rights if he still shows up and confronts you, then you need to just move on.

For me, I just ain't gonna tolerate that type of nonsense. If he ruined my hunt, then I'd ensure no one had a decent hunt. I'd make it worth his while to find somewhere else to go.

I agree stand your ground and hunt, don't let him bully you. It's time he realizes he doesn't own that property or those turkeys. No need for a fight at all. Just hunt.

Is this going to be on "North Woods Law"?     ;)

Can you not go to the county courthouse and check the deed book to see a copy of the deed? This is free Public information in Mississippi

I wouldn't hunt it but if it's my only choice I'd be cordial the first time. Second time I'd put the fear of God in him and one of us is getting our butt whipped if law enforcement isn't going to do anything. I dealt with a guy like that once that thought he owned all the private and public and had a reputation for confronting others. He didn't even own the private but had access cause he looked after it cause the landowner lived away. First run in he was friendly. Second time he wasn't. Mind you this is on the public not the private. Told him to get to swinging or shut the blank up. He walked off and never had a problem out of him again. Never even seen him after that. I might get whooped but I ain't letting anyone push me around

Never ever, ever...get into conflict with anyone with loaded guns around. period.
ESPECIALLY with a known hothead.

Involve your local SO and/or DNR folks.


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Hunt the spot, its too close to home to let someone bully you out of it. But without a doubt have a back up plan.  I would arrange to have an extra vehicle there and if things go south pull one vehicle into the field and park it and then go hunt plan "b" in the other vehicle-he wont know if anyone's still there or not. Maybe strategically place a trail cam or two in advance that could help watch your vehicle while your gone. Yeah your risking him maybe damaging your vehicle but your not going to win this thing without taking some risk.

If he has a deed who cares? You have written permission directly from the guy who owns it. Only problem is the guy with the supposed deed thinks he still owns the right to play warden of the land he no longer owns. He sold it help him get over it.
I'd hunt it everyday until I filled my tag,but I don't let people push me around either. If he messed with my vehicle or belongings karma would most definitely strike him.  ;D.
No way would I let that guy have his way...Happy hunting..

Is there a slang use of the word "deed" of which I'm unaware?  Used like a "hunting lease" or "easement?"  To my limited knowledge, a deed is a transfer of ownership, which results in the ability of the new owner to acquire the title for the property.  I don't understand how someone could have purchased the land from this guy and he could still have a deed.   

If it were me, I would ask the Game Warden to go hunting with me on opening day  ;D

Seriously, I would at least give them a head's up.  If you expect a confrontation, video is a must-even if it's a cell phone. 

To quote Edmond Burke "All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

talk to law enforcement and game warden, put up game cameras and other cams and video record everything with a signs clearly posted that video recording is being employed.  Maybe kindly ask law enforcement and/or game warden if they'd show up early and just be present and visible in the vicinity.

If you don't stand your ground now, this prick will always encroach.  You gotta draw a line in the sand, and document everything.

He approaches you ...TAKE OUT YOUR PHONE AND START RECORDING HIM, the tune will change when he realizes he is under video , he could freak out , but will likely split

Sounds like the guy just needs a good ole fashion tune up. Tell him to pound sand and if he don't like it oh well. As John Wayne said. " 3 things that I live by. I wont be wronged , insulted or hands laid on me. I don't do these things to others and will not allow them to be done to me". I know , some say avoid conflict and it could go bad with guys that have loaded guns ect. But if law enforcement wont handle it , then I would. Just the way I am and the way I came up. I know many wont agree with me but thats ok. Just the way I feel. Good luck. Hope things work out for you.

I would I least go in and scare the crap out of the birds on the roost.

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Right at dusk. Watch which directions the gobblers fly. Set up between them and the roost site in the morning and call one in and kill it. If he sees you toting one out. just tell him you wanted him to have the first crack but tomorrow is your turn.

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I WOULD GO BACK UNDER THE COVER OF DARK WERE YOUR FACE MASK IN CASE HE HAS A CAMERA UP AND SET FIRE TO HIS BLIND...

I have a couple of thoughts. 

First, would be that if you push the issue will this bring headache to the landowner?  He is just trying to be nice and let folks hunt his property. I would personally feel an obligation to not aggravate him.  I have had landowners tell me if so and so shows up, run him off, to which I say "yes sir".   

Another thought is how much do you have to lose?  If it goes south and an arse whooping ensues, often the loser goes to the hospital and the winner goes to jail.  Is that worth it to you? Only you can answer.  I have a hot head (my daughter says I can go from happy to pizzed off faster than anyone she has ever met)-decisions I make in haste are usually not great and ones I think and pray on are usually the best. You are thinking about this ahead of time and is it worth it?  You are not gonna teach this clown something his parents failed to teach him, so it is up to you if it is worth it or not. Just reading it pizzes me off for you, so I understand. 

I think I would have an  open and honest discussion with the land owner.  Lay your cards on the table and tell him the last thing you want to do is stir trouble for him.  Ask him what he thinks should be done and you will likely have your answer. 

Good luck and let us know how it goes. 

Sounds like he disked the field for you so you can shoot bottle rockets into it without starting a fire.

I agree with the vet. Check with the landowner. If the fellow has a written agreement there ain't much you can do. If he doesnt I am sure your desire to respect the landowner will make his decision on how to settle it pretty easy. At least it would for me.

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Quote from: captfire on April 30, 2020, 07:48:39 PM
I WOULD GO BACK UNDER THE COVER OF DARK WERE YOUR FACE MASK IN CASE HE HAS A CAMERA UP AND SET FIRE TO HIS BLIND...

I was thinking actually burning his house down. 
I would move my blind to a different spot, go put a mannequin in my blind.  Or heck go climb in his. Hes lazy, you could really play mental games with him and he would never totally figure it out.

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If I'm the landowner and this is going on I Probally say  forget it no one hunts there . All he needs is some one getting shot or beat and the lawyers are on it . He owned the land and sold it so he feels like he has first dibs . I Probally look for another spot or try to work it another time. Go hunt.


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No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.


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Quote from: TravisB on May 01, 2020, 08:04:26 AM
No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.


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Quote from: TravisB on May 01, 2020, 08:04:26 AM
No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.

Quite honestly, I feel the same way.  However, in the back of my mind I would always be thinking "What is this guy really capable of doing?  How far is he willing to take this confrontation?"  There are just enough fruitcakes in this world to make me hesitant about escalating situations like this. 

The two ultimate end results of this "going the distance" are either ending up dead,...or ending up in prison.  Neither of those is particularly palatable to me at this point in my life.  I still feel like I have lots of huntin' to do,...and I have lots of options on where to do that. (...Ask me in another ten years or so and my attitude could be different) :)

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Quote from: TravisB on May 01, 2020, 08:04:26 AM
No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.

Quite honestly, I feel the same way.  However, in the back of my mind I would always be thinking "What is this guy really capable of doing?  How far is he willing to take this confrontation?"  There are just enough fruitcakes in this world to make me hesitant about escalating situations like this. 

The two ultimate end results of this "going the distance" are either ending up dead,...or ending up in prison.  Neither of those is particularly palatable to me at this point in my life.  I still feel like I have lots of huntin' to do,...and I have lots of options on where to do that. (...Ask me in another ten years or so and my attitude could be different) :)

These are not the ONLY two ultimate end results-In fact these two end results are highly unlikely-possible-maybe but highly unlikely. Another end result is the guy learning to have some respect for you and leaving you alone. Remember most people who use bullying tactics use them to avoid confrontations and are usually cowards.

Walk over to his blind and give him a good punch right between his eyes.

hunt it dont let him run you out of a place you have permission to hunt.

You have permission. Hunt it.
If it comes down to a argument may as well get it over with.

Leave the blind, hunt without it.
If he knows it's there he will be looking for you. Don't be in it.

That way he may not ruin your hunt. If you shoot a bird, he will probably come looking for ya.
That's alright, you have permission.

Don't let him run you off. Be polite until he decides to turn it sour.
If it turns south get your bird and leave. Get someone involved.
I'd start with the land owner myself.

I would call his bluff.   If he confronts you again, stay very polite and non confrontational but tell him you're going to call the landowner now to come talk to you both while you're standing there and get it cleared up.

Either you get it cleared up, or the landowner sees what a [Summer's Eve] he is and tell him that he can't hunt, or the landowner says neither of you can hunt (which is already essentially what you're doing and you have a resolution)  Win-win-win. 

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No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.


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I'm easy to get along with, and I'm not some kind of badass or anything, but I can't stand people that try to bully other people around, especially on hunting ground like this. I almost always go out of my way to give other people room, or first pick of a hunting spot on public, even if it means I'm in a less desirable spot, but I'm damn sure not going to let someone walk all over me if I'm already in a spot so that I'll leave. Usually letting someone know that upfront heads off any future trouble.


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This guy is some kind of narcissist by the sound of things. Being confrontational will never work nor will proving that you are in the right. Make sure you continue to hunt that spot. Use his movements to your advantage.  Be nice and just play dumb. Compliment him in some way if you can.  Him thinking you think he is as great as he thinks he is will be the way to keep the peace.
Shoot a big one!!

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Quote from: TravisB on May 01, 2020, 08:04:26 AM
No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.


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I'm easy to get along with, and I'm not some kind of badass or anything, but I can't stand people that try to bully other people around, especially on hunting ground like this. I almost always go out of my way to give other people room, or first pick of a hunting spot on public, even if it means I'm in a less desirable spot, but I'm damn sure not going to let someone walk all over me if I'm already in a spot so that I'll leave. Usually letting someone know that upfront heads off any future trouble.


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I was just kidding Travis!! You sound a lot like me. I'm easy going, but do me wrong or piss me off, and you got another thing coming.

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Quote from: TravisB on May 01, 2020, 08:04:26 AM
No way I would have missed this chance. If you have written permission to hunt it, and set your blind up, and he knew it and came and set his up that close, I would have gone and moved mine over about 10 feet from his. The situation would have come to a head one way or the other. We could sit in our blinds and talk about it or whatever. When people like that get their way, it just empowers them. I'd give up a morning of hunting to screw up a person like that's morning, and get great satisfaction from it.


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I'm easy to get along with, and I'm not some kind of badass or anything, but I can't stand people that try to bully other people around, especially on hunting ground like this. I almost always go out of my way to give other people room, or first pick of a hunting spot on public, even if it means I'm in a less desirable spot, but I'm damn sure not going to let someone walk all over me if I'm already in a spot so that I'll leave. Usually letting someone know that upfront heads off any future trouble.


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I was just kidding Travis!! You sound a lot like me. I'm easy going, but do me wrong or piss me off, and you got another thing coming.

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I knew what you meant.


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If you do quit he got exactly done what he wanted to do.
The next time he came there he'd see a couple more blinds of my buddies.
If all else fails I'd talk to the new owner. Worse case he won't let either of you hunt. Oh well...Old Bully landowner is running you off anyway.

There is very little worse than dealing with an egotistical narcissist like your neighbor.

It is shameful to see such unsportsmanlike actions from a grown adult. I would guess that his behavior reflects the lack of a healthy and sound upbringing and heritage in our beloved hunting sports and also the respectful and safe use of sporting arms.

This issue and potential confrontation is all centered around sporting rights and involves firearms. I would definitely not push this issue in the field where in the heat of a disagreement or provocation either one of you in a heated argument could loose control and angrily resort to utilizing your firearms. This would be a regretful error that could ruin your lives and the lives of your family forever.  You are already very upset and aggravated now.... so definitely avoid the one-on-one confrontation in the woods with guns.

But ..... definitely get the landowner, the DNR Law Enforcement, or County Sheriff involved and address this formally. It may not be possible to resolve for this season.....hunt somewhere else.  Get it addressed legally and safely and have the peace of mind that you are taking the high road and will not allow this guy to take advantage of you.

My 2 cents worth.   :z-twocents:

GunRunner

You weren't in the wrong. You had permission to hunt. What you do from here is on you. Everyone has their own way of dealing with issues like this. You only have to answer for you, so no matter what everyone on here says they'd do, we aren't you. We don't have to live there. We don't have to see him regular, and we don't have to look over our shoulder.

That being said, I'd be damned if I was the one worried about was over my shoulder. He's learn soon enough that I was likely crazier than him. I can't stand a bully, and will go to great lengths to help one understand that.

Is his name Mark? He sounds like my uncle.

I just read through this thread and all the advice. Twenty Five years ago this would have ended very badly if I was involved. I once went to a guys house and called him out right in front of friends and family....yeah he wouldn't come out, but if he had it would have been just like someone said, one person in jail and one in bad shape or dead. As I look back I can honestly say I am ashamed I ever let my temper go that far. Funny thing is that guy never crossed me again. I was wrong, wrong wrong!

Here is what years and accumulated wisdom has taught me: It's not worth it, period. It's a sport and something we do for release and enjoyment. When something steals the goals of it then it's time to cut out what is stealing your joy. You won't win anything by being right or getting some form of social justice. If it comes to defending yourself then do that to the utmost of your ability, but you can not instigate it. MOve on and find peace, a  turkey is a dumb animal that cares less if two people are fighting over killing him. The most I'd do is call the farmer and tell him what has happened and thank him for letting you hunt, but you won't be back. Also tell him you hope that the idiot doesn't get him sued. I imagine if he has been informed of a danger on his land and doesn't address it he is liable. Maybe someone has legal knowledge on that. I wouldn't go out of my way to apologize, but if I randomly ran into him I would and wish him luck. If he wants to be a prick then walk away. If he touches you I'd press assault charges. Take the high road, killing a gobbler is a very small thing in life and not worth the stress. I didn't always feel this way, but old age has taught me a few things. You talk about praying over it, as a Christian brother I tell you leave him to God to deal with, his judgement is coming in this life or the next....be better my friend. A man is known by what he does, and everyone surely knows what this guy is, don't convince them your an idiot too.

Quote from: eggshell on May 03, 2020, 08:06:41 AM

The most I'd do is call the farmer and tell him what has happened and thank him for letting you hunt, but you won't be back. Also tell him you hope that the idiot doesn't get him sued. I imagine if he has been informed of a danger on his land and doesn't address it he is liable. Maybe someone has legal knowledge on that.

Excellent post, eggshell.  The point you make above is a very important one.  Although there are states where a landowner cannot be held liable for allowing hunting on his land, your point about whether that holds true if a landowner is informed of a potential problem beforehand would change things.  Not being a lawyer myself, I couldn't say for sure, but I would suspect it would.

NEKVT, you would be doing the landowner a favor to let him know what is going on,...and it wouldn't hurt to hint at the fact that because you have approached him and informed him of the potential problems this guy might cause, it might be in his best interest to rectify the situation beforehand.  Hinting to him that if something happens and the authorities get involved that you would have to tell them that you had forewarned the landowner,...and hence, his liability protections (if they exist) might be forfeited,...might just change the entire dynamic. 

Of course, the risks you run would include 1) enraging the psycho you are dealing with to "the point of no return",...or 2) having the landowner just close his land to hunting entirely.  That is likely, but at least you will have gotten a measure of satisfaction knowing that the idiot won't be able to hunt the land either. 

As has been advised already, it all comes down to how far you want to push the issue,...and whether it is worth the risks involved dealing with someone who has pretty clearly demonstrated by now that he is mentally unstable.

Quote from: GobbleNut on April 30, 2020, 09:09:46 AM
Tough situation, for sure.  You never know what people like that are capable of. 
If it were me, I would just go have a talk with the new landowner and find out exactly what his arrangement is with this guy.  He should be able to clarify things for you. It sounds like the new owner probably told the guy that he could hunt there after the land sale.  If that is the case, then you might end up being the odd man out if it comes down to the landowner having to decide the issue.

Regardless, I doubt seriously that there is anything written in the sales agreement with the new landowner that would state that the old landowner would have any rights to hunt the property in perpetuity.  That would be highly unusual, I think.

^^^  THIS.

I would talk to the land owner and ask him what the deal is.  Let the owner know you do not want to cause any issues for him, and give him a bit of history (without trying to sound whiny about this guy).

Let the owner know that this guy is claiming to "own the hunting rights."

I would NOT hunt there until I speak to the owner.  I would let the owner know that you did not want to hunter there until speaking to him, and make it clear that you wanted to be certain that you do not cause any issues for him.

Losing one day of hunting might work well to your benefit in the long-run, and hunting there could very well work against you in the long-run.

And, make sure to write the owner a thank you/apology letter...  Thanking him for giving you permission (whether you hunted or not) and apologizing for any inconvenience it caused him.  Maybe this season does not work for you, but next season does....

Quote from: NEKVT on April 30, 2020, 07:35:26 AM
A guy up the road from me owned a cornfield for years, he also acted like e owned other fields around putting up fake posted signs on other people land and claiming he had leased that land when he did not.
He also showed up on an ATV first day last year and scared off birds for me in a field near my place. Long story short, a couple years ago he sold the field he did own, but still acts like he owns it. This AM I was watch birds out there and he shows up on ATV and we were just talking and what not untill hunting that spot came up. He always hunts there, any way i have written land owner permission to hunt there and have a blind set up for the AM tomorrow (opening day). he said he didnt want me in there, i said there is more than one bird and room for two I also said i had written permission. He claims he has a deed saying he has hunting rights from when he sold it and will show me the deed. I said ok. he then got real mad started his ATV and sped off. Should I hunt there in the AM as planned even though he wil probably do something to mes sit up. or should i go else where. If i stay away does that support him bullying people? He has actually assulted someone before during deer season when he did own that land. He is not really a nice guy. I  have tried to be friendly in the past.  Should i just go elsewhere? The only reason i like the spot is cause it has lots of birds and is a great setup.
What should i do?

Thanks

So what was the outcome? You go or??