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Years ago I remember some one talking about a wavy yelp. I don't remember if it was on a tape or book. This year I heard it for only the second time. A hen with a Tom was in a river bottom thirty yards away aTom poked his head over the bank for a second then disappeared.. I doubled yelped and the hen answered with a regular yelp then an extended yelp that lingered in the middle like a soft yodel. The Tom answered immediately. Twice I yelped and she wavey yelped and twice he gobbled. When I decided to wavey yelp he gobbled and marched right up the bank. Does any one know who coined the term,Wavy yelp?

Quote from: Ctrize on June 10, 2019, 04:00:58 PM
Years ago I remember some one talking about a wavy yelp. I don't remember if it was on a tape or book. This year I heard it for only the second time. A hen with a Tom was in a river bottom thirty yards away aTom poked his head over the bank for a second then disappeared.. I doubled yelped and the hen answered with a regular yelp then an extended yelp that lingered in the middle like a soft yodel. The Tom answered immediately. Twice I yelped and she wavey yelped and twice he gobbled. When I decided to wavey yelp he gobbled and marched right up the bank. Does any one know who coined the term,Wavy yelp?

Would like to hear what that sounds like. What type call were you using?

Is this similar to what Kenny Morgan called the quaver of a young hen?

Seems to me Primos might have called it that.

I have Kenny's book I'll look through it.

Never heard the term wavey Yelp, your description makes me think of a whine but I'm assuming you are referring to something different. I thought a quaver was a series of 3 light purrs.

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To my knowledge Kenny never spoke of a wavy yelp.  He did use what he called a wavy singing sound which is the sound mostly heard by hens in extremely close hearing range.  The quaver is usually three note purring yelps, also not audible very far with human hears.  Kenny was very fond of the quiet sounds.

Interesting.  Never heard it from a turkey,...or heard the term before.  However, I have heard numerous off-the-wall sounds by turkeys where I have asked myself,..."What the heck was that?".  I have a tendency to discount those sounds as anomalies, but perhaps that is a mistake in some situations. 
...Maybe the "wavy yelp" is the next fad in turkey calling for bringing those tough birds in!   ;D :icon_thumright:

I have heard Will Primos and Cuz Strickland talk about and mimic the call on a mouth call.

Have a good one
Ray

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I was using a diaphragm.The sound was definitely a part of the yelp and could be an anomaly as I have only heard it twice
in thirty years.I suspect Lovett would have documented it if it was a part of the vocabulary.Thanks for the feed back fellas.

Denny Gulvas would be another guy to call and ask, as far as I know he's still out in the woods most every day recording turkey sounds.

If you watch Del Crows' video on YouTube he talks about and demonstrates it on a trumpet. Might want to reach out to Del about this yelp.

Dr Lovett Williams only documented 13 calls.

When I sat with him way back when, he preached that you only needed to master 4 calls. 

Woodsmanship, position, nerves of steel and accurate shooting are very important.

A lot of folks want to demonstrate some quaver, wavy yelp, breeding squeal or other fancy sounds - in an attempt tp sell you something.  If you haven't heard it in 30 years, it's probably not a call turkeys make often. 

Focus on the 4 calls and make them to the best of your ability..

I've always thought position was the hardest to master. It's why great deer hunters often make poor turkey killers

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Quote from: Terry on June 11, 2019, 04:55:22 PM
I've always thought position was the hardest to master. It's why great deer hunters often make poor turkey killers

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That's something I noticed on Dave's youtube, they don't do anything with a bird until they are set up where they think they need to be. They almost never give in to the "well he's gobbling, so lets just try it from here"

I most definitely know the Yelp you are talking about. I have heard a few times usually very early in the morning when I did hear it.This isn't a sales pitch, but Marlin Watkins is the best person I have ever heard repeat that sound , and marlin done so with a trumpet call.

First of all, I hope someone can put up a link to sound file that demonstrates this call.  That would definitely aid in this discussion.

Quote from: TauntoHawk on June 12, 2019, 03:45:04 PM
That's something I noticed on Dave's youtube, they don't do anything with a bird until they are set up where they think they need to be. They almost never give in to the "well he's gobbling, so lets just try it from here"

Hijacking the thread for a moment on this concept.  I, too, have noticed that the "Pinhoti Brothers" (I say that fondly,...I really like Dave and Kenny) have a tendency to contemplate their approach to a lot of gobblers.  That is almost always accompanied by a thorough discussion of the topography by referencing OnX (or whatever app).  That indeed is always a great strategy,...especially if you don't know the area well.

Although I agree that taking time to contemplate the approach on a bird is wise in many cases, there are also times when the opposite can be the proper approach.  Personally, I have killed a lot of birds by answering their gobbles from afar and then heading to them immediately,...imitating a hen that has heard them gobble and is on her way.  The problem with that is it can encourage a gobbler to stand his ground and wait.  On the other hand, it can also start an anxious gobbler moving quickly towards the willing hen.  Bottom line is that it is always a guess, one way or the other. 

Not to get too far into the weeds here,...this would be a good topic for discussion in a separate thread.  They do a lot of stuff in their videos that would make for a great (civil) discussion about their tactics (the same can be said for several of the other YouTubers) .  ...If we can just keep the turkey-hunting Supermen from deciding they want to leap the tall buildings...   ;D :toothy12:

Go ahead and start that thread gobblenut. I want to see if I can clear the curb in the parking lots of these tall buildings.

Quote from: Happy on June 13, 2019, 08:48:24 AM
Go ahead and start that thread gobblenut. I want to see if I can clear the curb in the parking lots of these tall buildings.

:TooFunny: :TooFunny:  ...So, how long do you think it will be until Shannon has to pull the thread?...
Hey, maybe we can have a contest where everybody gets to guess...  I'll throw in a T-shirt with a big red S on the front as the prize!!   ;D :toothy12: :TooFunny:

Not very long is my wager.

Not sure if I've ever heard the call (wavy yelp) you described unless I'm just not understanding your description correctly. Could it be similar to what this hen is producing? https://youtu.be/1ygOKObpC4A

Unfortunately, Shane, I could not see the video fully,...could only hear the audio.  Assuming those sound were all coming from live turkeys, I would guess they were from turkeys having some sort of dominance interaction.  Those sounds are pretty typical of that sort of thing from what I have seen (although usually not quite so exaggerated).  I would agree with you that those sounds would fall into the aggressive purr and whine category more than anything,...although I suppose some of those sounds could be interpreted by someone as some sort of modified yelping.

That really goes to show just how many "oddball" noises turkeys can make when they really get into it...   :icon_thumright:

Quote from: GobbleNut on June 14, 2019, 08:41:33 AM
Unfortunately, Shane, I could not see the video fully,...could only hear the audio.  Assuming those sound were all coming from live turkeys, I would guess they were from turkeys having some sort of dominance interaction.  Those sounds are pretty typical of that sort of thing from what I have seen (although usually not quite so exaggerated).  I would agree with you that those sounds would fall into the aggressive purr and whine category more than anything,...although I suppose some of those sounds could be interpreted by someone as some sort of modified yelping.

That really goes to show just how many "oddball" noises turkeys can make when they really get into it...   :icon_thumright:

Yes, it was a lone, juvenile hen beating up on someone's decoy. She seemed pretty upset too. lol

The closest she came is just before reaching the decoy  that high to low wine.Nothing in my situation dictated aggression.The hen was yelping normal and threw the wavy call in that also sounded relaxed.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2yyt4pz.jpg) not sure if this is it or not but this is from a old lynch instruction pamphlet that came with the call back when they where in Birmingham Alabama.  It speaks of the quaver sound.

Quote from: Turkz39 on June 17, 2019, 11:18:35 PM
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2yyt4pz.jpg) not sure if this is it or not but this is from a old lynch instruction pamphlet that came with the call back when they where in Birmingham Alabama.  It speaks of the quaver sound.

In later instructions for jet slate this is labeled "whine"


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I have 25 Eastern hens. So far in 4.5 years of being around 300-400 hens in that time there have been 3 hens that have made the wavy yelp. One of them is like a pet. She will fly up on my knee when I sit down. She is on her second nest currently. Hatched 13 3 weeks ago. Anyway she does this wavy Yelp very often and I often try to imitate her. When I do the boys seem to like it and respond most often. It really is more like a yodel in between yelps.

Bourbon Red hens often make this yodeling sound as well. They actually have a reverse Yelp that stats low and ends high sometimes.

Thanks for the post hopefully someone will post a recording of it.

Check out Lost Lake, Joe Mole has a video that has a wavy call.   About 9 min in.  I came across it a while back and figured it would be good one to share on this thread.   
https://youtu.be/CLakELVp1lw.   

I consider those whips and whines it will be interesting  to see what other guys think.

Quote from: ferocious calls on June 18, 2019, 08:29:42 AM
I have 25 Eastern hens. So far in 4.5 years of being around 300-400 hens in that time there have been 3 hens that have made the wavy yelp. One of them is like a pet. She will fly up on my knee when I sit down. She is on her second nest currently. Hatched 13 3 weeks ago. Anyway she does this wavy Yelp very often and I often try to imitate her. When I do the boys seem to like it and respond most often. It really is more like a yodel in between yelps.

Bourbon Red hens often make this yodeling sound as well. They actually have a reverse Yelp that stats low and ends high sometimes.

That's pretty cool!....Would really be interesting to hear those sounds if you could create a sound file and post it. 

Yeah could be described as a whine, but that's what I think of when someone talks about a wavy call. 

You talking about that drawn out yelp that some fellows make when they start a series of yelps on a box call?

What I'm talking about is much more of a yodel.

I agree if you took the yodel in the middle out it would have the same tone as a plain yelp.

I did find where Will Primos references the "wavy call' as the same as whine. Not the call I heard but I can see where guys see it as such. Similar to the whine in the you tube video posted here.