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Thinking out loud here... probably a question for Sumtoy. What works best on better patterns: lengthening the forcing cone or matching the chamber? Curious minds want to know! Thx! :camohat:
What is matching the chamber? I can't imagine any reason to touch the chamber, unless to clean or polish.
Info from Sumtoy.
For card shooting, this treatment may be the bee's knees. But if you are shooting turkeys, I would recommend doing neither. Invest the money in TSS. TSS from a dead stock gun will outshoot any other shot material no matter what is done to the gun.
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Well, I have 3 turkey guns that will kill past 40 right now with 3" LB's, and I have enough LB ammo to last me for quite a few years that is less expensive than 8 dollars a round. Part of what I enjoy is working up different load/choke combos which I can do at the price of LB's. So, for me and my style of shooting and hunting the Winnie shells work quite well. Really not sure if I'll even invest any more money into further barrel work but am very curious about the differences I asked about. Thanks for your reply! :camohat:
Just give your barrel deep cleaning and go hunting ... in my opinion ...
If your looking to make any improvements , look at cleaning your barrel with product called Butch's Bore Shine .. it will clean you barrel and remove that plastic sheeting of the wad's from your barrel.. If you don't have this product i would suggest you invest in a bottle .. look it up on the internet ....
It's been a while since I deep cleaned my barrels so that will certainly help! :camohat:
Quote from: BandedSpur on February 13, 2019, 08:26:10 AM
For card shooting, this treatment may be the bee's knees. But if you are shooting turkeys, I would recommend doing neither. Invest the money in TSS. TSS from a dead stock gun will outshoot any other shot material no matter what is done to the gun.
100% accurate. Give me a 20 gauge dirty barrel, factory extra full choke, and TSS over a 12 gauge with a $100 dollar choke, everything you could possibly do to the barrel, and lead shells.
When I sent my barrel to Sumtoy last year to be shortened I asked about the forcing cone. He said to save my money and invest in a good choke.
I've had great luck w forcing cone work. Many guns already come that way from factory. What kinda gun is it?
It's a unmodified 1300 Win. :camohat:
That gun didn't have em lengthened. I'd personally not buy a gun without it I believe that strongly in it. Some guys say it messed em up but idk barrels from Browning, Mossberg, Ithaca, Fabarms, etc have it. Not saying all do mind ya.
Thing is a 1300 is kind of like a classic car. Less you change the more resale value most times
My Rem SM came New with it gone and I had my Savage single done by Sumtoy. Need to see how the Winnie patterns after I deep clean it before making any decisions... :camohat:
I had my forcing cone lengthened and polished and it blew my patterns by quite a bit. Last time I'll do something like that.
I eventually did get the patterns back but it took me lots of time, chokes and ammo to get back to where I started. I know some guys say it works. For me, never again...
Huh... I usually start with it pushed and polished, so I thought I'd try the Winnie in reverse, but, it may surprise me and not need it at all. :camohat:
I don't recommend it, not with the turkey loads and chokes available today. In the 80's when Mark Bansner was turning your average field model shotgun into a turkey killer out to 40 yards it was beneficial. I would deep clean and polish your barrel and settle on a good load/choke combo and be done with it. As others have said alot of guns come from the factory with it already lengthened. Your $$ though.
I have had it done to several single shots and 870s. Not a real noticeable difference in patters but the difference in recoil made it worth it especially in a 3 inch single shot sears I have. I tried to give that gun away. With three inch turkey loads it was unbearable. Forcing cone work and recoil pad and it is one of my favorite turkey guns now. # inch long beard magnum 6s put up a great 10 inch pattern with 205 in the circle and a 665 Sum Toy choke. Had to put a scope on it though because not much outside of 10 inch circle.
Quote from: BandedSpur on February 13, 2019, 08:26:10 AM
For card shooting, this treatment may be the bee's knees. But if you are shooting turkeys, I would recommend doing neither. Invest the money in TSS. TSS from a dead stock gun will outshoot any other shot material no matter what is done to the gun.
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Got to thinking about your post and am wondering: has the ammunition taken us to a point where the gun has become insignificant? :camohat:
Quote from: lowoctane on February 20, 2019, 04:13:00 AM
Quote from: BandedSpur on February 13, 2019, 08:26:10 AM
For card shooting, this treatment may be the bee's knees. But if you are shooting turkeys, I would recommend doing neither. Invest the money in TSS. TSS from a dead stock gun will outshoot any other shot material no matter what is done to the gun.
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Got to thinking about your post and am wondering: has the ammunition taken us to a point where the gun has become insignificant? :camohat:
Without a doubt. The cheapest 20 gauge you can buy with a extra full choke shooting TSS will outperform the most expensive 12 gauge with the most expensive choke you can buy shooting lead. There are people who will be smashing birds this year with the $200 .410 Stevens 301 turkey.
Been itching all day wanting to spend some money myself. I recommend hold your breath till it passes and think, did the last turkey you shot at survive? It a bad time of year now with just a few weeks till spring season