I always enjoy reading how everybody chooses to hunt, what they feel is their own personal line that they've determined is beyond fair chase. I personally don't draw other people's lines for them but in most scenarios what you think is "too far over the line" is not for somebody else. I'm curious, in the following comparison which would be the harder feat? If you chose to comment, please don't be self aggrandizing or disrespectful of others.
1. Calling in a mature Tom and shooting with a gun or shooting a jake with a bow without a blind?
2. Calling in a jake and shooting it with a gun or shooting a mature tom from within a pop up blind.
3. Fanning a Tom or shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so.
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I would think shooting a Jake with a bow without blind would be the hardest.
Quote from: daddyduke on April 09, 2018, 06:00:12 PM
I would think shooting a Jake with a bow without blind would be the hardest.
X2 Any bird with a bow / without a blind
The items in cat 1 are the hardest in my book. A mature tom called in and killed without a blind or decoy with a recurve or longbow would be tops to me.
Definitely the first set
1. Calling in a mature bird and shooting with a gun
2. Shooting a mature bird from a blind
3. Fanning a mature bird.
Not sure what aggrandizing is so I hope I wasn't.
Both scenarios in #1 are harder than any of the others in any combination
Any bow kill is harder, 3x without a blind
Bow kill without a blind in by far the hardest.
Quote from: guesswho on April 09, 2018, 06:59:13 PM
1. Calling in a mature bird and shooting with a gun
2. Shooting a mature bird from a blind
3. Fanning a mature bird.
Not sure what aggrandizing is so I hope I wasn't.
Haha from what I've read it's defined as the opposite of guesswho
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I think
1. Jake with the bow no blind
2. Mature gobbler from blind
3. Fanning an old gobbler
With overall hardest being jake with a bow without a blind.
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#1
#1 first option is the only one that appeals to me.
Shooting a Jake with a bow without a blind would be the toughest in my opinion.
After that would be calling a mature Tom in without the aid of a decoy or blind.
Quote from: dublelung on April 09, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
#1 first option is the only one that appeals to me.
This ??
I've never had a single incalation to bow hunt turkey
The questions I ask in all three scenarios is; Was the hunter happy to harvest the bird? Will he enjoy/use the meat? Did he have fun?
To me, provided it was a legal method, those are the only things that matter.
In my opinion there are three unethical ways to kill a turkey; 1. Baiting. 2. Trespassing 3. Roost shooting
Quotethere are three unethical ways to kill a turkey; 1. Baiting. 2. Trespassing 3. Roost shooting
You know you just ruined someone's season :character0029:.
One of my biggest shocks in my turkey hunting travels was when I went after my Rio for the grand slam......almost everywhere I looked in Texas and Oklahoma they were baiting birds. I finally found an outfitter that was ok with me not wanting to hunt baited birds and found me some ground away from feeders. I still killed my two birds. There are some who do not bait, but it is pretty common in the southwest.
I'm not judging others. Baiting where legal is fine if that works for you. It's just not for ME.
The questions posed are a fascinating topic for discussion, but to be honest, all of the choices and their corresponding difficulty are, to a large degree, contingent upon the conditions under which one is hunting. There are places where killing a gobbler by grabbing it and choking it to death would be easier than trying to get a gobbler within TSS range from a stealth fighter in others.
However, all things being equal, ethical, and under "normal" turkey hunting circumstances, anybody that can kill a turkey with a bow without a blind or decoys will always hold my utmost respect.
Quote from: Meatseeker on April 10, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
I'm not judging others. Baiting where legal is fine if that works for you. It's just not for ME.
That's right there with shooting birds at 100+ yards with a rifle for me. At least deer have the option of walking up to a bait pile after dark.
Quote from: guesswho on April 09, 2018, 06:59:13 PM
1. Calling in a mature bird and shooting with a gun
2. Shooting a mature bird from a blind
3. Fanning a mature bird.
Not sure what aggrandizing is so I hope I wasn't.
x2
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 10, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
The questions posed are a fascinating topic for discussion, but to be honest, all of the choices and their corresponding difficulty are, to a large degree, contingent upon the conditions under which one is hunting. There are places where killing a gobbler by grabbing it and choking it to death would be easier than trying to get a gobbler within TSS range from a stealth fighter in others.
However, all things being equal, ethical, and under "normal" turkey hunting circumstances, anybody that can kill a turkey with a bow without a blind or decoys will always hold my utmost respect.
It's about the ghillie suit and a musky net, purely catch and release... Usually just sign their legs with a Sharpe and put em back out there
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We are supposed to pick the most difficult from each group, right?
1. shooting a jake with a bow without a blind
2. shooting a mature tom from within a pop up blind.
3. I have no idea, never fanned, but my gut tells me this is a tie.
So in order of difficulty of the 3 winners, I would rank it 1a 1b,2.
Quote from: g8rvet on April 10, 2018, 01:55:13 PM
We are supposed to pick the most difficult from each group, right?
1. shooting a jake with a bow without a blind
2. shooting a mature tom from within a pop up blind.
3. I have no idea, never fanned, but my gut tells me this is a tie.
So in order of difficulty of the 3 winners, I would rank it 1a 1b,2.
Exactly
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Quote from: WNCTracker on April 09, 2018, 05:37:02 PM
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3. Fanning a Tom or shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so.
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#3 has both the easiest AND the hardest for me. The "shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so" part sounds super easy for me. The "Fanning a Tom" part sounds like it would tear up my knees.
Quote from: stinkpickle on April 10, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: WNCTracker on April 09, 2018, 05:37:02 PM
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3. Fanning a Tom or shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so.
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#3 has both the easiest AND the hardest for me. The "shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so" part sounds super easy for me. The "Fanning a Tom" part sounds like it would tear up my knees.
Stop reading if you are easily bored. :)
I had 4 jakes and a hen in a field. Private. Late season. They gobbled their heads off for a solid hour and then would not leave the field. Easter Sunday. I had to go. Did not want to spook them really bad, but enough to gtfo of the field. They were about 100 yards away. So I waved my hat at them slowly. Nuthin. So then I waved it violently. Nuthin. The hens left, jakes stayed. Then I barked like a rabid dog. Nuthin. I really really have to go at this point, more scared of pizzed off wife than ruining my future turkey hunt at this point (had a young un I wanted to kill one of these birds at some point). So I get on my hands and knees and start crawling towards them. Like a dog. Figure they will say WTH? and leave, a little spooked, but not human panic spooked. Ummm, nope. The biggest one, with the bright red head (and the dim brain) starts walking to me all puffed up, half strut. He gets to about 30 yards and we both stop, looking at each other. He finally says, I have no idea what that is, but maybe I should leave and just kind of walks off, not panicked, just heads off at a little more than a stroll. Jakes. Like a dumb teenage boy.
Quote from: g8rvet on April 10, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: stinkpickle on April 10, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: WNCTracker on April 09, 2018, 05:37:02 PM
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3. Fanning a Tom or shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so.
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#3 has both the easiest AND the hardest for me. The "shooting a hung up Tom at distances well beyond 40 yds with loads intended to do so" part sounds super easy for me. The "Fanning a Tom" part sounds like it would tear up my knees.
Stop reading if you are easily bored. :)
I had 4 jakes and a hen in a field. Private. Late season. They gobbled their heads off for a solid hour and then would not leave the field. Easter Sunday. I had to go. Did not want to spook them really bad, but enough to gtfo of the field. They were about 100 yards away. So I waved my hat at them slowly. Nuthin. So then I waved it violently. Nuthin. The hens left, jakes stayed. Then I barked like a rabid dog. Nuthin. I really really have to go at this point, more scared of pizzed off wife than ruining my future turkey hunt at this point (had a young un I wanted to kill one of these birds at some point). So I get on my hands and knees and start crawling towards them. Like a dog. Figure they will say WTH? and leave, a little spooked, but not human panic spooked. Ummm, nope. The biggest one, with the bright red head (and the dim brain) starts walking to me all puffed up, half strut. He gets to about 30 yards and we both stop, looking at each other. He finally says, I have no idea what that is, but maybe I should leave and just kind of walks off, not panicked, just heads off at a little more than a stroll. Jakes. Like a dumb teenage boy.
Maybe you just have a turkey face :-)
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