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call them out.......so they can give their reasoning..........or at least the other members here can be aware who to stay away from
I agree....the rest of us won't do business with them.
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I would address it with them first. Then, if no reasonableness, call them out in the feedback section.
That stinks. Thankfully that's the exception rather than the rule for this site. Another reason maybe to get some pics of the call you're buying? If I "know" a member here - I don't ask for pics if they have always been good on their word (and there are lots of those folks). I'm also not offended if someone asks me for detailed pics if I'm selling.
Hope you get the issues resolved.
Hopefully a resolution can be had. Best case scenario in a deal is both parties are happy. Worst case should be both parties wind up back where they were before the deal took place. Money can't buy honesty, that's why it's so valuable!
That sucks, hope you get things settled in your favor. This is a big reason I won't buy from here or any other forum unless the person has posted a detailed pic(s) and a price right off the bat. There are rules in place for a reason, but somehow you always see people say "text me for pics" and whatnot. If a person can send pics via a phone and can use the internet, I'd imagine they have the mental capacity to learn how to post a pic on an Internet forum.
Not saying this is what happened to you, but I see it often. The best buyers and sellers on here are detailed and honest, and that's the way it should be. Good luck to you bud...
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Shannon has setup a Scammer Listing in the Turkey Call Classifieds. If you can't get a resolution and you don't want to call the individual out, then send Shannon a PM and see what he has to say. If he lied to you and sent a defective call then that is the same as scamming someone. If we don't call these people out, this will only get worse. Hope things work out!
PAYPAL ...REFUND ...PROBLEM FIXED and PM me the name of the member thank you
I've been lucky. Everything on this sight as been a mostly smooth transfer.
All the people i have traded or bought from have been great on the forum.. but i'm sure we have some bad apples in the mix on the forum... good luck in getting it resolved.... i agree call the person out , no need for them hiding behind a fake name and computer screen ....
Quote from: dirt road ninja on March 21, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
I've been lucky. Everything on this sight as been a mostly smooth transfer.
Me too. Both bought and sold items.
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Hope it gets resolved. Call people out and that will stop them.
I've dealt with kyheadhunter02 and he's a great guy to deal with. It sucks people ruin a good thing that this forum allows us to do and enjoy our passion. I hate dishonesty.
I don't want to get too involved, but I will say I've had a few dealings with TJ and he's top notch in my book
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Quote from: MDTOM84 on March 22, 2018, 09:38:54 AM
He is taking about me, I sent him 3 pots for a box. The pot in question wasn't cracked when I sent it to him, I'm not saying he cracked it because I know he wanted that pot. He is saying someone told him it was cracked well the only people that have ever even seen that pot is me and the call Maker and the call Maker never said anything to me about a crack. I offer to send him the box back and he could send me the pots and he said"NO the ball is in my court". So if he wasn't happy then why not just trade back? Now he wants me to send him a higher $ striker to "make the deal right", which I told him that if it makes him feel better then I would send him a brand new Pat Strawer dymondwood striker. I still have our text messages were I told him "if for any reason you are not happy then I will trade back, no questions asked" but for some reason he doesn't want to do that?? Shannon I can send you all the texts between him and me if needed. I will say again like I told him " that pot was NOT cracked when I shipped it to him". TJ
Sounds like you did all you could. The ball is in my court is a bit much and you handled it better than I would have.
I have delt with both parties and respect both parties this is not a bad seed situation it's an unfortunate circumstance situation.
As someone that has sent a call to have it cracked in transit it can be tough to rectify if both parties have different views on the fix. I would want to send the call to the call maker to be fixed and shipping costs land on the original sender not adding additional items or cash compensation as they could turn around have the call fixed and keep it or sell again. To me it's fix the call or reverse the trade in whole.
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I'm sorry, but I would not send him a striker to "make the deal right". If he didn't want to send the calls back in exchange for the box he must not be too unhappy with the crack. I wouldn't even ask someone to sweeten a deal if i felt it had gone south. It's neither party's fault if the call got cracked in shipping unless it wasn't packaged properly, and the OP didn't say anything about that. Just my :z-twocents:
I'm not going to get too deep or say much about this but, "Cmon Guys, get together and Work This OUT!" This can be resolved.
Always 2 sides to every story...........now that we have both sides and to me sounds like the OP is trying to work over the original owner for a extra striker over a shipping mishap. Send him his pots back, get your box back and be done with it.........now who is being dishonest.........I guess you just forgot to mention he offered to reverse the trade.............
There's always 2 sides to every story. Sounds like each of you returning the other's belongings would make everything smooth again. Save this stuff for the offseason, it's turkey season fellas, get it together.
The whole problem was making a pot out of snake wood its not a problem of will it crack its when it will crack don't mater what you do to it it will crack sooner or later. most is cracked when you buy it they are just to tiny to see.
MDTOM84 just a question that may benefit you if it is sent back, was the package insured? If so you should be able to get your money for the call back so you are not out anything. Not taking either side, just trying to be helpful if it does come back to you.
Quote from: Terry on March 22, 2018, 10:06:49 AM
I don't want to get too involved, but I will say I've had a few dealings with TJ and he's top notch in my book
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Ill second that..T.J. is one of the last guys that would knowingly try to get one over on someone..
Quote from: ol bob on March 22, 2018, 01:46:52 PM
The whole problem was making a pot out of snake wood its not a problem of will it crack its when it will crack don't mater what you do to it it will crack sooner or later. most is cracked when you buy it they are just to tiny to see.
To my eye thats what it looks like not miss handling or abuse. If it's a hunting call and doesn't effect sound I'd hunt it til it dies and send it off then if it's a collector call then shelf it and it'll be fine as is.
Otherwise I'd undo the trade and leave it at you two won't do business again with each other.
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Almost hilarious that the title of this thread is about the honesty of some members and yet alot of very important facts were out of the posts until TJ posted. Wonder how long he would have left them out had TJ not showed up to defend himself.
No dog in this what so ever... but since this laundry is out for public viewing / opinion -
I'd say OP has a right to be disappointed with the "merchandise" if it wasn't up to standard or as described - intentionally or otherwise; but when offered a full "refund" (exchange) and refuses that refund, that ends it. Case dismissed.
(...and yes, snakewood can / will crack, sometimes just because)
We now return to our regularly scheduled no drama program...
Quote from: SteelerFan on March 22, 2018, 06:53:35 PM
No dog in this what so ever... but since this laundry is out for public viewing / opinion -
I'd say OP has a right to be disappointed with the "merchandise" if it wasn't up to standard or as described - intentionally or otherwise; but when offered a full "refund" (exchange) and refuses that refund, that ends it. Case dismissed.
(...and yes, snakewood can / will crack, sometimes just because)
We now return to our regularly scheduled no drama program...
X2!
Lots of things in this life more important. Get over it and move on.
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Quote from: Terry on March 22, 2018, 10:06:49 AM
I don't want to get too involved, but I will say I've had a few dealings with TJ and he's top notch in my book
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Ill second that..T.J. is one of the last guys that would knowingly try to get one over on someone..
x3
Quote from: SteelerFan on March 22, 2018, 06:53:35 PM
No dog in this what so ever... but since this laundry is out for public viewing / opinion -
I'd say OP has a right to be disappointed with the "merchandise" if it wasn't up to standard or as described - intentionally or otherwise; but when offered a full "refund" (exchange) and refuses that refund, that ends it. Case dismissed.
(...and yes, snakewood can / will crack, sometimes just because)
We now return to our regularly scheduled no drama program...
Yes sir ,
No doubt he is upset , but that just sucks as his call showed up cracked , it is what it is
The truth is the seller has offered him OVER and OVER again his box back and is going above and try to do the right thing
If he doesn't want to send everything back , then the deal is done , end of story
The big question is , why bring all this on here for everyone to see , both of you guys are honest men , sort it out , your not trying to screw each other over , it really is pretty simple to solve ,
Quote from: KYHeadhunter02 on March 22, 2018, 06:20:55 PM
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 22, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
Almost hilarious that the title of this thread is about the honesty of some members and yet alot of very important facts were out of the posts until TJ posted. Wonder how long he would have left them out had TJ not showed up to defend himself.
Oh yeah? What facts were those? I didn't lie about anything. Must be one of TJs buddy's just showing up.
I'm honest and forth coming about what ever I sell. TJs definition of things must be a bit different than normal.
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Nope I have never met or dealt with TJ but I hope one day he and I make a deal.
Facts.
-you were offered multiple times to return the calls and get yours back.
- you refused to trade back as offered
- you tried to swindle him out of more merchandise even though you refused to return calls
- you got angery and said some shady stuff like "ball is in my court"
So you say you did not leave those facts out until TJ posted them? That is true dishonesty and to think it came from a member here. Haha. If you had posted the whole truth and all facts Shannon would not have posted on this thread but then again if you posted the whole truth you wouldnt have gotten much empathy just like TJ didnt give you huh.
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 23, 2018, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: KYHeadhunter02 on March 22, 2018, 06:20:55 PM
Quote from: snapper1982 on March 22, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
Almost hilarious that the title of this thread is about the honesty of some members and yet alot of very important facts were out of the posts until TJ posted. Wonder how long he would have left them out had TJ not showed up to defend himself.
Oh yeah? What facts were those? I didn't lie about anything. Must be one of TJs buddy's just showing up.
I'm honest and forth coming about what ever I sell. TJs definition of things must be a bit different than normal.
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Nope I have never met or dealt with TJ but I hope one day he and I make a deal.
Facts.
-you were offered multiple times to return the calls and get yours back.
- you refused to trade back as offered
- you tried to swindle him out of more merchandise even though you refused to return calls
- you got angery and said some shady stuff like "ball is in my court"
So you say you did not leave those facts out until TJ posted them? That is true dishonesty and to think it came from a member here. Haha. If you had posted the whole truth and all facts Shannon would not have posted on this thread but then again if you posted the whole truth you wouldnt have gotten much empathy just like TJ didnt give you huh.
The very top of the page says "resolved". Doesn't it? People are quick to judge, I have been guilty of doing so myself. You apparently don't know everything about the situation. There was also another issue that happend that you know nothing about.
This is in the past in my book. TJ and I actually talked a lot and its unfortunate that everything happend the way it did. There are a few things I wish I could take back, but I can't. I have character flaws like everyone else.
I accepted the deal and I'll live with it. TJ and I will likely not deal with each other for a while if ever. Sounds like you need to find you a hobby instead of trolling. TJ is a big boy and can defend himself.
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My grandfather started a furniture business 70+ years ago that is still in business to this day. It never ceased to amaze me how often after we delivered a piece and then left the customers home we'd get a phone call. It usually went along the lines of "I noticed a scratch, dent, crack, etc. and wanted to see if you can give us a discount". Our standard response was "we're terribly sorry to hear that and want to make sure you get the piece you want. We're happy to come back to exchange it for a new one, fix it, or if you're not completely happy give you a full refund". Most often people would say "it's not that bad, how about a 15% discount instead?"
Sometimes people are just looking to get a little more than they paid for.
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I'm glad to see that's it's resolved. Good luck to you both this spring.
This thread gave me a headache.
I hope OG forum members do not trend towards this type of DRAMA in the future. I am sure there are better ways to resolve things than to publicly post on the forum. It appears that the one party offered to reverse the deal by returning everything to the original owner and the problem would have been resolved. I can not see tarnishing someones integrity by posting on the forum when all of the facts are not laid out. Don Friday's quote: "Just the facts ma'am".