Ok got to vent a little and hoping so someone can help.... We have tried 5 different M2 20ga with several different chokes, JEBS, IC Sumtoy, trulock, rob Roberts best pattern so far is 135 in the 10"@40yd which is in-acceptable for chokes that cost $50-$100.... We have spend a small fortune on ammo and chokes..... Open to any suggestions....
Mine only did 140's with a Sumtoy.
Do yourself a favor, load some TSS.
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I wish I could.... Awesome pics.
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
Ok got to vent a little and hoping so someone can help.... We have tried 5 different M2 20ga with several different chokes, JEBS, IC Sumtoy, trulock, rob Roberts best pattern so far is 135 in the 10"@40yd which is in-acceptable for chokes that cost $50-$100.... We have spend a small fortune on ammo and chokes..... Open to any suggestions....
I'm not sure what Ammo you have tried, but I own 2 M2s and three different barrels and any of the with a IC 555 tube
and hevi13 # 7s will put 175-200 in the 10" . Make sure your finding the center of your shot with an extra big target sheet
maybe 4'x4' and no oil or cleaner in your barrel when you shoot.
Quote from: hookedspur on March 23, 2015, 09:46:46 AM
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
Ok got to vent a little and hoping so someone can help.... We have tried 5 different M2 20ga with several different chokes, JEBS, IC Sumtoy, trulock, rob Roberts best pattern so far is 135 in the 10"@40yd which is in-acceptable for chokes that cost $50-$100.... We have spend a small fortune on ammo and chokes..... Open to any suggestions....
I'm not sure what Ammo you have tried, but I own 2 M2s and three different barrels and any of the with a IC 555 tube
and hevi13 # 7s will put 175-200 in the 10" . Make sure your finding the center of your shot with an extra big target sheet
maybe 4'x4' and no oil or cleaner in your barrel when you shoot.
we are all shooting Federal HW7s. Roost tried an IC 555 out of his with no luck. I have 10 boxes of HW7s so id like to find the choke combo for that ammo if possible
Make sure there is no oil or cleaner in the barrel like hook said. I clean with alcohol and then run a dry patch. Oil will lower patterns from my experience
Those federals do not like a ported choke ,and they like it a little more open ,say 562-580 some where
in that range.
guys (just putting it out there) we are all not new to patterning them and understand all about cleaning and oils as well as ported chokes vs non ported. all guns are being deep cleaned and cleaned between shots and have ran though a bunch of different chokes to this point with little success. In mine the sumtoy did shoot good at 160 but i had to send the choke back to the actual owner lol...still trying to get him to sell me his hahah. would go ahead and order one of those but have seen a few issues with them fitting in guns lately as well as up and down patterns. season is less then 2 weeks away so can't chance one not fitting in the gun at this point.
I didn't mean to implie that you didn't know what you were doing ,sorry if it came across that way.
Quote from: hookedspur on March 23, 2015, 10:54:28 AM
I didn't mean to implie that you didn't know what you were doing ,sorry if it came across that way.
i didn't take it that way nor did i mean mine to be rude, just trying to alleviate the obvious responses is all. I'm just at a loss and starting to get pissed over it.
Try a Carlson 575
Quote from: John D on March 23, 2015, 11:13:42 AM
Try a Carlson 575
they don't make a carlsons 575 its a 580. i tried in my gun and it sucked with an uneven pattern and only around 100 at 40yds. was disappointing cause the 575 was great out of my affinity
Its hard to say without seeing the pattern. However, the average range for that load is 125-150 so I would say 135 is about average and WAY plenty to kill a bird longer than you are comfortable to shoot. If you are chasing a certain number you are going to have to choke it down more. The best chokes I've seen from that gun are Indian Creek, but I see you have tried that. You may just have to settle on 135. You might want to try some Hevi #7's with that IC and see how they do.
Quote from: gophert on March 23, 2015, 12:23:10 PM
Its hard to say without seeing the pattern. However, the average range for that load is 125-150 so I would say 135 is about average and WAY plenty to kill a bird longer than you are comfortable to shoot. If you are chasing a certain number you are going to have to choke it down more. The best chokes I've seen from that gun are Indian Creek, but I see you have tried that. You may just have to settle on 135. You might want to try some Hevi #7's with that IC and see how they do.
agreed due to the limited amount of options for the M2. I have a Pure Gold 555 on the way to try but i have a feeling it will be to tight and blow out the pattern. I have an email into Rob Roberts with my disappointment in the 560 and they may have me try a 570 instead. May end up sending it to Jebs or to Rob to do the testing just to save me the headache at this point but its so close to season i may just be stuck for this year.
I find it interesting none of the choke makers on here are willng to comment on this thread.
Thanks for all the replys.....I am thinking a .565 might be close since Reynolds 243 got 160 with the Sumtoy....Waiting on a call from the guys at JEBS right now....They seem to be very willing to help but as mentioned above time is drawing near......
I patterned Trulock HWT 7, Trulock .570 and Trulock .580 through my M2 20 ga. with 26" barrel with Fed Heavyweight #7. The HVY7 choke averaged about 150 @ 40. I ended up going with the .570 because the HVY 7 tube was so too tight for my liking at 20 yds.
Nice thing about the Trulock is the 60 day guarantee. Pattern a couple send one or all of them back if you don't like them.
When you say you are cleaning between shots, what exactly are you doing? I have a Sumtoy and IC for mine and both will do 175+ without any trouble but I only pull a bore snake through between shots. Doing anything more than that causes my patterns to drop to the 130's.
Quote from: alloutdoors on March 23, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
When you say you are cleaning between shots, what exactly are you doing? I have a Sumtoy and IC for mine and both will do 175+ without any trouble but I only pull a bore snake through between shots. Doing anything more than that causes my patterns to drop to the 130's.
Tried all different ways from a brush with hoppes and dry patch, brush and alcohol swabs to just a simple patch and alcohol to even nothing.
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Quote from: alloutdoors on March 23, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
When you say you are cleaning between shots, what exactly are you doing? I have a Sumtoy and IC for mine and both will do 175+ without any trouble but I only pull a bore snake through between shots. Doing anything more than that causes my patterns to drop to the 130's.
Yep....dry bore snake ONLY between shots...absolutely nothing in a liquid form. Good Luck!
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 23, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I wish I could.... Awesome pics.
Why can't you?
2 parts....cost of TSS and the most important part is finding freaking powder!
Quote from: alloutdoors on March 23, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
When you say you are cleaning between shots, what exactly are you doing? I have a Sumtoy and IC for mine and both will do 175+ without any trouble but I only pull a bore snake through between shots. Doing anything more than that causes my patterns to drop to the 130's.
Exactly what I do, as directed by Mr. Jimmy at JEBS....
Quote from: reynolds243 on March 23, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 23, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I wish I could.... Awesome pics.
Why can't you?
2 parts....cost of TSS and the most important part is finding freaking powder!
I don't have any reloading equipment...... Would love to try TSS.....
Quote from: reynolds243 on March 23, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 23, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I wish I could.... Awesome pics.
Why can't you?
2 parts....cost of TSS and the most important part is finding freaking powder!
Start buying now and you'll be ready before next season. Powder is be coming more avalible now. I've bought 6 pounds since January. The TSS loads are 10 times better then what you can buy and are really easy to get good patterns with it. Wish I had started loading several years ago.
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 23, 2015, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: reynolds243 on March 23, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 23, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I wish I could.... Awesome pics.
Why can't you?
2 parts....cost of TSS and the most important part is finding freaking powder!
I don't have any reloading equipment...... Would love to try TSS.....
It's all loaded by hand. You will need a drill to crimp the shells. If you have one you can get started for around $150.
The best part about loading your own is if you buy enough components the recipe always stays the same and will never be discontinued. I'm set for life on everything except the shot. I buy a little here and there. That's the most expensive part but you can buy a pound or two every couple of months. The patterns I posted were the first chokes and first loads I tried. I'm done. No more testing or looking for a better choke. I'm happy and it cost me less than a pound of shot to get my 2 red dots dialed in.
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 23, 2015, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: reynolds243 on March 23, 2015, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 23, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Roost 1 on March 22, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
I wish I could.... Awesome pics.
Why can't you?
2 parts....cost of TSS and the most important part is finding freaking powder!
Start buying now and you'll be ready before next season. Powder is be coming more avalible now. I've bought 6 pounds since January. The TSS loads are 10 times better then what you can buy and are really easy to get good patterns with it. Wish I had started loading several years ago.
What do your 20 yard patterns look like? is it too tight up close to be able give you those numbers at forty?
I have not personally shot mine at 20 yards but the patterns I've seen with this exact load getting similar numbers in the 40 covered close to a 10" circle. That load has almost 600 pellets in it vs. 330 in the Federal HW's.
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You can use a more open choke if you like a more open pattern. A lot of guys like the 250 in the 10" and 250 in the 20".
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