I have looked through nearly all of the opinions on chokes and do not find anyone using my setup. I have quite a lot of Winchester Supreme Double X 3 1/2 inch magnum 2 1/4 oz lead # 5 shot because I bought a bunch when I thought shotshells might become hard to get during the ammo scare a couple of years ago. I am not happy with the patterns in my Rem 870 supermag using the Remington choke that came with it. Does anyone have experience with this same setup that would recommend a choke that would deliver better patterns than I am getting now?
Thnaks- Oldstuff
I would try 665 first, then 670 if I was not happy with 665.
Quote from: Ihuntoldschool on March 02, 2015, 05:16:53 PM
I would try 665 first, then 670 if I was not happy with 665.
What he said.
My Rems love the Kicks 665 with the Winchester #5 loads....
I forgot to mention in my original post that the Remington choke that came with the sgotgun measures .650. I am assuming that is too tight?
Yes, 650 is overchoked for 3.5 inch #5 shot in a Remington in my opinion. There are a lot of good chokes out there but I also had excellent patterns with the 665 Kicks in 3.5 #5 shot Winchester just like mossyoak posted. I would be surprised if it did not shoot well for you.
Thanks to All for the advice. I will get a .665 and pattern test it soon as we get a better weather day.
Oldstuff
I wish I could remember what choke a buddy shot from his with the same loads, it did well, I will see if he remembers he sold the gun.
He had a jellyhead,original not the max... did not put up the numbers the hevi shot or longbeards do but good consistent killing patterns.
Not the same gun or shell exactly, but my 3" 1187 does well with an IC .665 with most everything I put through it, including Winch Pb 5s.
I recommend no smaller than a .670 when you're shooting 2.25oz of shot. Good luck and let us know how you make out.
OK- original poster her. I spent the day testing patterns with the original Remington .650 ported choke versus the new .665 Undertaker. I used my usual Winchester 3 1/2 inch-2.25 OZ #5 and the Rem choke was clearly better than the Undertaker .665. Also tried the Win 2 OZ #5 version and Thugs 3 1/2 2 OZ #5 with both chokes and same results- the original Rem choke was best. Had 142 pellets in a 10 inch circle at a measure 40 yards. Now I did not expect the 2 OZ loads to have as many pellets, porportionally the 2 1/4 OZ has a higher percentage. I also tried a .680 Rem standard "full" choke and it was not as good as either of the other two chokes. Guess I'll stick with what I started with. Thanks to those that replied.
Oldstuff
I killed a lot of birds with that shell with an original Jellyhaid, can't remember if it was .665 or .670, but it was a thumper...
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my old 835, some Winchester 3-1/2" 2-1/4oz #5's and a stardot choke has taken a many a turkey
Quote from: mossyoakpro on March 02, 2015, 09:31:42 PM
My Rems love the Kicks 665 with the Winchester #5 loads....
X2 I have also had great luck with that shell and The kicks.660. very hard to beat a Kicks in a Remmy with lead. They make a Great combo.
another good choice is a Jellyhead
I shot them in a carlsons ported choke, .665 with good results and a friend shot them in a xx full com n choke in his 870, shot real good.
Comp-n Choke. Either a XXX or XX, up to you. I shoot a XX in my 10 bore with both 2 oz. and 2 1/4 oz. loads. XXX may be a smidge tight with the 2 1/4 oz. loads.
Since you said you'd tried some 2oz loads I'll throw my experience out. I was in the same boat as you a few years back and ended up with a kicks .655 shooting 3" 2oz 5's. Nearly went broke figuring it out, but that 870 would shoot the best lead patterns I've seen to date.
I'm thinking from 660 to 670 might be in the range of what you need.
Quote from: Gobbler2577 on March 22, 2015, 11:54:27 PM
Since you said you'd tried some 2oz loads I'll throw my experience out. I was in the same boat as you a few years back and ended up with a kicks .655 shooting 3" 2oz 5's. Nearly went broke figuring it out, but that 870 would shoot the best lead patterns I've seen to date.
What length barrel were you shooting with the 870/Kicks .655 and 3" 5's? I have been unable to get what I am looking for with 5's. I have a 20", 21" and 28" bbl,,, 1 3/4oz 5's, 1 7/8 oz 5's and 2 oz 5's .655 and .660 Kicks. Been able to turn 80's consistently with 28" . 660 and 1 3/4 5's. Looking for 100..
Original poster here. My barrel is 25 inches long. At 40 yards it is clearly a great turkey gun- have killed a lot with it, even killed two consectutive birds at 50 and 51 yards measured- but missed two in a row at 50 and have decided to see what I can do to get a consistant good pattern beyond 40. I am trying to stretch out a few yard longer. In the past I also patterned 6's and like many pics I see here they look super- but I am very leary of 6's beyond 40 yards.
Oldstuff
Quote from: Longshanks on March 24, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: Gobbler2577 on March 22, 2015, 11:54:27 PM
Since you said you'd tried some 2oz loads I'll throw my experience out. I was in the same boat as you a few years back and ended up with a kicks .655 shooting 3" 2oz 5's. Nearly went broke figuring it out, but that 870 would shoot the best lead patterns I've seen to date.
What length barrel were you shooting with the 870/Kicks .655 and 3" 5's? I have been unable to get what I am looking for with 5's. I have a 20", 21" and 28" bbl,,, 1 3/4oz 5's, 1 7/8 oz 5's and 2 oz 5's .655 and .660 Kicks. Been able to turn 80's consistently with 28" . 660 and 1 3/4 5's. Looking for 100..
You just posted in another thread that you got 233 in a 9 inch circle at 40 yards with the 3" Longbeards #5 thru a Rem. 870 with 21" barrel/Kicks .655 combination????
Yup, just shot that this morning. Shocked me. Think I'm gonna try all the Win Pb 3" 5 loads through this set up and see what happens. I'm surprised about these Win LB 5 patterns because the best I got with my other 870/ kicks .655 was 214 with the LB 3" 6's. Bizarre..
Did you shoot several 40 yard patterns of LB 5's for consistency or just the one?? :OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 26, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
Did you shoot several 40 yard patterns of LB 5's for consistency or just the one?? :OGturkeyhead:
Shot 3, they all looked about the same. Great patterns but if you look at it..if you shot a few inches off there wouldn't be much shot in the turkey, not to mention what that pattern looks like inside 25 yds. Didn't have time to shoot close. If I could get a pattern around 110-115 with Pb 3" 5's that would be ideal for hunting. Hoping this setup likes the 5's (2oz, 1 3/4, 1 7/8)
Was that 40 yard 233 pellet count pattern with the 1 3/4 ounce load or the 1 7/8 ounce load of Longbeard 5's??
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 26, 2015, 05:38:39 PM
Was that 40 yard 233 pellet count pattern with the 1 3/4 ounce load or the 1 7/8 ounce load of Longbeard 5's??
1 3/4..I will have to keep shooting and see those results from box to box to rely on them. I've seen some strange patterns. These included.
Quote from: Longshanks on March 26, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 26, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
Did you shoot several 40 yard patterns of LB 5's for consistency or just the one?? :OGturkeyhead:
Shot 3, they all looked about the same. Great patterns but if you look at it..if you shot a few inches off there wouldn't be much shot in the turkey, not to mention what that pattern looks like inside 25 yds. Didn't have time to shoot close. If I could get a pattern around 110-115 with Pb 3" 5's that would be ideal for hunting. Hoping this setup likes the 5's (2oz, 1 3/4, 1 7/8)
Longshanks----Don't know what sights are on your gun, but from you pattern picture, your pattern looks high and to the left. You need to adjust your sights to the center of your pattern. Then your above statement would not matter as much, "if you shot a few inches off their wouldn't be much shot in the turkey".
Quote from: catclr on March 26, 2015, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 26, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 26, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
Did you shoot several 40 yard patterns of LB 5's for consistency or just the one?? :OGturkeyhead:
Shot 3, they all looked about the same. Great patterns but if you look at it..if you shot a few inches off there wouldn't be much shot in the turkey, not to mention what that pattern looks like inside 25 yds. Didn't have time to shoot close. If I could get a pattern around 110-115 with Pb 3" 5's that would be ideal for hunting. Hoping this setup likes the 5's (2oz, 1 3/4, 1 7/8)
Longshanks----Don't know what sights are on your gun, but from you pattern picture, your pattern looks high and to the left. You need to adjust your sights to the center of your pattern. Then your above statement would not matter as much, "if you shot a few inches off their wouldn't be much shot in the turkey".
That was with just the bead and having to aim at the bottom of the target..added adjustable sights today. 10" pattern at 40yds doesn't give allot of wiggle room especially if the turkey is closer. I like a little more margin for error for hunting. I've had to shoot turkeys running in, walking, going in and out of strut, etc. majority of turkey's I shoot are inside 25. Would love to hit a 115-120 5 pattern at 40 with some good margin for error at 25.. but I am still shooting. :z-guntootsmiley:
Quote from: Longshanks on March 26, 2015, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: catclr on March 26, 2015, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 26, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 26, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
Did you shoot several 40 yard patterns of LB 5's for consistency or just the one?? :OGturkeyhead:
Shot 3, they all looked about the same. Great patterns but if you look at it..if you shot a few inches off there wouldn't be much shot in the turkey, not to mention what that pattern looks like inside 25 yds. Didn't have time to shoot close. If I could get a pattern around 110-115 with Pb 3" 5's that would be ideal for hunting. Hoping this setup likes the 5's (2oz, 1 3/4, 1 7/8)
Longshanks----Don't know what sights are on your gun, but from you pattern picture, your pattern looks high and to the left. You need to adjust your sights to the center of your pattern. Then your above statement would not matter as much, "if you shot a few inches off their wouldn't be much shot in the turkey".
That was with just the bead and having to aim at the bottom of the target..added adjustable sights today. 10" pattern at 40yds doesn't give allot of wiggle room especially if the turkey is closer. I like a little more margin for error for hunting. I've had to shoot turkeys running in, walking, going in and out of strut, etc. majority of turkey's I shoot are inside 25. Would love to hit a 115-120 5 pattern at 40 with some good margin for error at 25.. but I am still shooting. :z-guntootsmiley:
Im on the same page as you Longshanks.Im more concerned about having good even pattern out to 15"-20" out to 30 yds than I am about having my target look like a screen door at 40. I know everything is tight from about 15 yds in,but i'm more worried about missing a bird with too tight a pattern from 15-30 yds than i am about having to shoot one at 40.My guns pattern well to 40 I just dont get hung up on a super high number at that range.If its 100-110 + and evenly distributed at 40 i'm happy.Nothing wrong with doing it either way tho.
Quote from: jakesdad on March 27, 2015, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 26, 2015, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: catclr on March 26, 2015, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on March 26, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: SKFOOTER on March 26, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
Did you shoot several 40 yard patterns of LB 5's for consistency or just the one?? :OGturkeyhead:
Shot 3, they all looked about the same. Great patterns but if you look at it..if you shot a few inches off there wouldn't be much shot in the turkey, not to mention what that pattern looks like inside 25 yds. Didn't have time to shoot close. If I could get a pattern around 110-115 with Pb 3" 5's that would be ideal for hunting. Hoping this setup likes the 5's (2oz, 1 3/4, 1 7/8)
Longshanks----Don't know what sights are on your gun, but from you pattern picture, your pattern looks high and to the left. You need to adjust your sights to the center of your pattern. Then your above statement would not matter as much, "if you shot a few inches off their wouldn't be much shot in the turkey".
That was with just the bead and having to aim at the bottom of the target..added adjustable sights today. 10" pattern at 40yds doesn't give allot of wiggle room especially if the turkey is closer. I like a little more margin for error for hunting. I've had to shoot turkeys running in, walking, going in and out of strut, etc. majority of turkey's I shoot are inside 25. Would love to hit a 115-120 5 pattern at 40 with some good margin for error at 25.. but I am still shooting. :z-guntootsmiley:
Im on the same page as you Longshanks.Im more concerned about having good even pattern out to 15"-20" out to 30 yds than I am about having my target look like a screen door at 40. I know everything is tight from about 15 yds in,but i'm more worried about missing a bird with too tight a pattern from 15-30 yds than i am about having to shoot one at 40.My guns pattern well to 40 I just dont get hung up on a super high number at that range.If its 100-110 + and evenly distributed at 40 i'm happy.Nothing wrong with doing it either way tho.
I agree..I'm hopeful to hit something over 100 with the 5's with this setup. Have my fingers crossed that the win xx 3/2/5's will work out of this setup. Original poster didn't mean to high jack your thread but I figured since this is all about 5's and what works, it would be applicable.