I contacted them and ripped them a "New One"for putting this stupid and potentially lethal decoy on the market.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunters-edge.com%2Fgo2gobbler.shtml&h=c7719
Yeah, that looks like a good one. Lets put it on our guns and go sneaking around some public land. Some people just don't think when they put something out on the market.
Here is a workable link http://www.wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com/products.html (http://www.wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com/products.html)
my wife likes it. HUMMMMMM
Quote from: Bonjour on March 20, 2011, 11:44:21 AM
Yeah, that looks like a good one. Lets put it on our guns and go sneaking around some public land. Some people just don't think when they put something out on the market.
Exactly ... even on private land at any time you absolutley don't know what kind of a trigger happy nitwit is either gonna sneak up on your setup or someone in a vehicle shooting a rifle from it, is gonna blast away at you....
Yep, I sure want to be crawling across a field while hidding behind a fanned out gobbler clipped on my barrel !!!!
Un freak'n believeable !!!!
Quote from: shootumindaface on March 20, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
Here is a workable link http://www.wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com/products.html (http://www.wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com/products.html)
Thanks shootum
I believe that I would like the ''Hat'' version of that decoy. That would really fool 'em.. :o Mike
They had this piece of junk at the NWTF convention. They had this guy working the floor who would walk right up to you and demonstrate how it works. I wanted to punch him. :angry9:
"Crouch down low and move slow to the gobbler". How absolutly retarded is this? And for only $69.99! This is about the most dangerous gimmick I've ever seen on the market. As a montana decoy I guess it would be fine but if someone actually clamps this thing to there gun barrel they are just asking for it. One of these days it will happen too. You watch. Dang this is stupid!
Quote from: WVFrid on March 20, 2011, 12:17:20 PM
They had this piece of junk at the NWTF convention. They had this guy working the floor who would walk right up to you and demonstrate how it works. I wanted to punch him. :angry9:
Probably a good thing I did not come across their booth..
If that dangerous piece of crap wasn't so pricey I'd buy one and ad it to my call collection (along with a case of squeal'n hen calls) and use it in all the hunter saftey courses around here to show new hunters what NOT to use and do while hunting birds.
:TrainWreck1:
Well, there's an accident waiting to happen. We had a young man on his own land killed inside a laydown Goose decoy by a guy shooting from the road with a rifle. This could end up the same situation very easily.
Quote from: Jay on March 20, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
Well, there's an accident waiting to happen. We had a young man on his own land killed inside a laydown Goose decoy by a guy shooting from the road with a rifle. This could end up the same situation very easily.
:agreed: 1,000 %
Wow. I seriously don't even know what to say about that. Some people have absolutely no common sense, and you know somebody is going to get hurt if they buy into using this.
I showed this to my girlfriend and told her I was going to get her one for this spring and she replied, "I don't want that ridiculous looking thing!" I asked her why and she said the colors were all wrong. When I asked "What about the fact that it mounts to the end of your gun and you might get shot" she says, "Oh, that too!". :TooFunny:
WOW....just WOW :bike2: :character0029: :bike2:
Without a doubt,the most irresponsible ,ill conceived ,bunch of %$%^& I have ever seen.
What DOUCHEBAG thought the need to invent that he needs to be on public land with that on his gun barrel and someone needs to scare the water out him!
Anyone who uses it deserves to get shot I mean really how freaking dumb do they think people are. I bet they recomend using the squealing hen call while using it.
Future Darwin Award winner.
Quote from: natman on March 20, 2011, 02:05:02 PM
Future Darwin Award winner.
:z-winnersmiley:
:fud: :help: :cross2:
Quote from: WVFrid on March 20, 2011, 12:17:20 PM
They had this piece of junk at the NWTF convention. They had this guy working the floor who would walk right up to you and demonstrate how it works. I wanted to punch him. :angry9:
:agreed: I was at the convention and thought the same thing about those guys.
Quote from: WVFrid on March 20, 2011, 12:17:20 PM
They had this piece of junk at the NWTF convention. They had this guy working the floor who would walk right up to you and demonstrate how it works. I wanted to punch him. :angry9:
I am extremely disappointed the NWTF convention would even allow it on their convention floor! This infers their approval and this shouldn't be any type of approved device for turkey hunting!
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! :TrainWreck1:
My astonishment at the danger is far overshadowed by my inability to suppress laughter!
Absolutely one of the stupidest, most ignorant and dangerous products I believe I have ever seen for the sport of turkey hunting. I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to entertain the thought of buying something like this. Most gimmicks only cost you your hard earned money, this one could cost you your life. Unbelievable. :angry9:
All decoy hunters should own one or two of these! :lol:
Maybe/hope they buy them like candy! :icon_thumright:
Looks like a great product!Bet it bring them birds straight to the gun!
i need one :z-guntootsmiley:
Ill just stick to a tail fan . ;D :z-guntootsmiley:
Did ya'll say they had these at the N"WTF" convention?
Quote from: guesswho on March 20, 2011, 08:26:51 PM
Did ya'll say they had these at the N"WTF" convention?
:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Quote from: guesswho on March 20, 2011, 08:26:51 PM
Did ya'll say they had these at the N"WTF" convention?
You guys had to get him started again, didn't ya?? ;D :TooFunny:
Looks like they took a page out of Big Tobacco's playbook, "How to run a business while killing off your customers."
They obviously know how dangerous it is, did you see the disclaimer?
And to think we share the woods with folks who think this is a good idea. Wow.
:TrainWreck1: :help: :help: :help: :bike2: :bike2: :bike2:
Quote from: drum817 on March 20, 2011, 01:21:29 PM
WOW....just WOW :bike2: :character0029: :bike2:
X2.
Unbeleveable........................ :help:
Fofl,that's like dressing up like a deer during deer season. Who thinks of these things. Accident waiting to happen.
I'm surprised the guys at Wildgame Innovations didn't think of that first.
This and products like this should be band. Somebody is going to get killed. We hunters need to rip this company up with phone calls and e-mails complaining about this. I'm hoping all States look very hard at this and band the use of this product. Just because your on private property does NOT guarantee your safety. You have to be aware of your surroundings at all times and take nothing for granted.
I haven't received a response from "Dumb & Dumber Jr." since sending them my email.
:bartsimpson: :bartsimpson:
Quote from: ctwny1 on March 21, 2011, 08:49:30 AM
This and products like this should be band. Somebody is going to get killed. We hunters need to rip this company up with phone calls and e-mails complaining about this. I'm hoping all States look very hard at this and band the use of this product. Just because your on private property does NOT guarantee your safety. You have to be aware of your surroundings at all times and take nothing for granted.
Lets make it even better...BAN all Decoys!!!! :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
So, I emailed the Go2Gobbler to see if they would reply. I seriously thought the decoy was a JOKE website, but I was wrong. Lmao...
Email sent to Go2Gobbler:
"Hi. I do have a few questions about your decoy... Is your decoy made of Kevlar? What happens when another hunter shoots your decoy by accident when it is mounted onto the barrel? Thanks for the info."
Here's the email reply from Go2Gobbler:
"Thanks for your interest in the Go2Gobbler. The decoy is not made of kevlar or any other material that is meant to deflect shot, bullets, or arrows. Using the Go2Gobbler could be dangerous if the safety instructions are not followed. The Go2Gobbler is designed to be staked out just like any other decoy on the market. Our patent pending clamping mechanism takes it one step further by allowing hunters to clamp the decoy to the barrel and "Go2" the turkeys that will not come in to a staked out decoy or to calls.
If you have ever "fanned in" a bird or have held a fan and attempted to stalk "henned up" birds before, then you will appreciate the benefits of having a decoy/fan that actually clamps to your barrel. In a way it makes this type of hunting safer by giving the hunter an extra hand so he isn't trying to balance holding a decoy/fan in one hand and a gun in the other.
Again, thank you for your interest."
They had a booth at the convention in Nashville last month. I stopped and told them that was the most unsafe thing a turkey hunter could do.
Quote from: Jayhawkeye on March 21, 2011, 01:20:48 PM
So, I emailed the Go2Gobbler to see if they would reply. I seriously thought the decoy was a JOKE website, but I was wrong. Lmao...
Email sent to Go2Gobbler:
"Hi. I do have a few questions about your decoy... Is your decoy made of Kevlar? What happens when another hunter shoots your decoy by accident when it is mounted onto the barrel? Thanks for the info."
Here's the email reply from Go2Gobbler:
"Thanks for your interest in the Go2Gobbler. The decoy is not made of kevlar or any other material that is meant to deflect shot, bullets, or arrows. Using the Go2Gobbler could be dangerous if the safety instructions are not followed. The Go2Gobbler is designed to be staked out just like any other decoy on the market. Our patent pending clamping mechanism takes it one step further by allowing hunters to clamp the decoy to the barrel and "Go2" the turkeys that will not come in to a staked out decoy or to calls.
If you have ever "fanned in" a bird or have held a fan and attempted to stalk "henned up" birds before, then you will appreciate the benefits of having a decoy/fan that actually clamps to your barrel. In a way it makes this type of hunting safer by giving the hunter an extra hand so he isn't trying to balance holding a decoy/fan in one hand and a gun in the other.
Again, thank you for your interest."
Holy Crap !!
This is to funny....hahahahaha
Email is priceless.. Makes it safer cuz you have both hands on the gun LOL How bought making the thing out of metal to shield the barrage of pellets your are going to take..
I'm going to email them a recommended amendment to the instructions.
Instructions:
1. Take out large insurance policy on person using Go2.
2. Person using Go2 should carry identification at all times, especially if hunting alone.
3. Attach next of kins phone number to your hunting and or drivers license.
4. If you feel the need to use Go2, think strongly about going to local super market and just buying a turkey.
5. Keep your receipt for your purchase of Go2 attached to your next of kin list, so your next of kin can return it for
a full refund to help with the burial expenses.
6. Make sure person using Go2 has their living will signed and updated. No need to keep someone on life support who would rather not be on it.
Hello, my name is Trevan Rose and I am one of the inventors of the Go2Gobbler. I have come on here to clear up some things about the Go2Gobbler. The Go2Gobbler is not a gimmick. The Go2Gobbler in its current form was invented after hunting for a couple years with prototypes that we built and hunted with ourselves. I will give you a brief description of how the Go2Gobbler came to be.
A few years ago my dad was hunting a large farm we had leased when he came upon a group of Toms in a large field. He called to the birds from the edge of the woods but the birds showed no interest. He recalled hearing an old timer tell him about using a turkey fan to "fan in" turkeys years ago. My dad got out his TransFan and held it in front of him and walked out in the field...not crawled, he walked out there and the turkeys immediately ran towards him. In the excitement of trying to hold the fan and his shotgun and get a shot off all at the same time, he missed the dominant Tom.
Just a few days later and on the same farm he came to an open field where a gobbler was breeding a hen...this time he didn't attempt to call because the bird already had everything he wanted right there with him. He did the same thing...he held the TransFan and eased out into the field and as soon as the Tom saw the fan, he immediately left the hen and came running towards my dad. Just like before, he shot and missed the bird due to the difficulty of trying to hold the fan and the shotgun at the same time.
After talking to several people about the experience, we found out that many "old timers" had been "fanning" birds in and stalking birds this way for a long time...heck at the NWTF show I even had an old man tell me that he had been killing birds for years by clamping a real turkey fan to his gun using a jumper cable clamp.
So we set out to accomplish 2 things with our decoy...
1, create the most lifelike and realistic looking 2 dimensional decoy on the market.
And 2, give hunters that choose to do so, the option to clamp the decoy to their barrel and stalk stubborn, "henned up" birds.
We did a lot of field testing with our prototypes and had a lot of success both in stalking birds that just wouldn't move and in attracting dominant territorial Toms.
I don't think people that have safety concerns with our product are crazy...actually a person would be irresponsible to just clamp the decoy to their gun barrel and take off through the woods without a care in the world. This decoy was not designed for the irresponsible. But, for responsible hunters who like using decoys or just want a new way to hunt turkeys, we believe it is the ultimate decoy because it offers something extra that no other decoy does. I understand that some hunters do not like using decoys under any circumstances either due to safety reasons or because they believe it gives hunters an unfair advantage...Those are fine opinions and I respect that but I would ask that you respect our hunting methods and know that someone getting injured using our product is the absolute last thing we would want to happen.
Not that it necessarily makes it right or wrong, but many professional guides have been using this method to stalk birds for a long time...they have just simply held decoys like the B-Mobile or Killer-B while their hunters walk behind them as they stalk the Toms.
If you have never stalked a bird or "fanned in" a bird, it is hard to comprehend how well it works...we were skeptical ourselves until we hunted with our prototypes and saw the effectiveness first hand.
A lot of time and effort have been put into developing this decoy so I respectfully ask that you give the Go2Gobbler another look and think about how inappropriate it would be to blame our company for an individual's irresponsibility. I doubt anyone would say the invention of the automobile is a bad idea because some people drive irresponsibly...most people understand that though some might use their car or truck irresponsibly/inappropriately, most people use their vehicle like they were meant to be used. The same is true for the Go2Gobbler.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
-Trevan Rose
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
Quote from: navert on March 21, 2011, 10:59:13 PM
Hello, my name is Trevan Rose and I am one of the inventors of the Go2Gobbler. I have come on here to clear up some things about the Go2Gobbler. The Go2Gobbler is not a gimmick. The Go2Gobbler in its current form was invented after hunting for a couple years with prototypes that we built and hunted with ourselves. I will give you a brief description of how the Go2Gobbler came to be.
A few years ago my dad was hunting a large farm we had leased when he came upon a group of Toms in a large field. He called to the birds from the edge of the woods but the birds showed no interest. He recalled hearing an old timer tell him about using a turkey fan to "fan in" turkeys years ago. My dad got out his TransFan and held it in front of him and walked out in the field...not crawled, he walked out there and the turkeys immediately ran towards him. In the excitement of trying to hold the fan and his shotgun and get a shot off all at the same time, he missed the dominant Tom.
Just a few days later and on the same farm he came to an open field where a gobbler was breeding a hen...this time he didn't attempt to call because the bird already had everything he wanted right there with him. He did the same thing...he held the TransFan and eased out into the field and as soon as the Tom saw the fan, he immediately left the hen and came running towards my dad. Just like before, he shot and missed the bird due to the difficulty of trying to hold the fan and the shotgun at the same time.
After talking to several people about the experience, we found out that many "old timers" had been "fanning" birds in and stalking birds this way for a long time...heck at the NWTF show I even had an old man tell me that he had been killing birds for years by clamping a real turkey fan to his gun using a jumper cable clamp.
So we set out to accomplish 2 things with our decoy...
1, create the most lifelike and realistic looking 2 dimensional decoy on the market.
And 2, give hunters that choose to do so, the option to clamp the decoy to their barrel and stalk stubborn, "henned up" birds.
We did a lot of field testing with our prototypes and had a lot of success both in stalking birds that just wouldn't move and in attracting dominant territorial Toms.
I don't think people that have safety concerns with our product are crazy...actually a person would be irresponsible to just clamp the decoy to their gun barrel and take off through the woods without a care in the world. This decoy was not designed for the irresponsible. But, for responsible hunters who like using decoys or just want a new way to hunt turkeys, we believe it is the ultimate decoy because it offers something extra that no other decoy does. I understand that some hunters do not like using decoys under any circumstances either due to safety reasons or because they believe it gives hunters an unfair advantage...Those are fine opinions and I respect that but I would ask that you respect our hunting methods and know that someone getting injured using our product is the absolute last thing we would want to happen.
Not that it necessarily makes it right or wrong, but many professional guides have been using this method to stalk birds for a long time...they have just simply held decoys like the B-Mobile or Killer-B while their hunters walk behind them as they stalk the Toms.
If you have never stalked a bird or "fanned in" a bird, it is hard to comprehend how well it works...we were skeptical ourselves until we hunted with our prototypes and saw the effectiveness first hand.
A lot of time and effort have been put into developing this decoy so I respectfully ask that you give the Go2Gobbler another look and think about how inappropriate it would be to blame our company for an individual's irresponsibility. I doubt anyone would say the invention of the automobile is a bad idea because some people drive irresponsibly...most people understand that though some might use their car or truck irresponsibly/inappropriately, most people use their vehicle like they were meant to be used. The same is true for the Go2Gobbler.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
-Trevan Rose
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
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In your field tests did you have a trespasser shoot at your turkey in front of your face with a rifle from afar?
In your field tests did a camo'd hunter blast the 2D decoy that was coming across the field?
In your field tests did your attorney advise you to gets lot of liability insurance?
I think fanning is dangerous and something I would never do, forget putting a turkey on my gun.
Of course I have been shot on private property by a trespasser just for walking across a field. Guess I don't want to push my luck.
Quote from: guesswho on March 20, 2011, 08:26:51 PM
Did ya'll say they had these at the N"WTF" convention?
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Quote from: simpzenith on March 20, 2011, 01:08:50 PM
I showed this to my girlfriend and told her I was going to get her one for this spring and she replied, "I don't want that ridiculous looking thing!" I asked her why and she said the colors were all wrong. When I asked "What about the fact that it mounts to the end of your gun and you might get shot" she says, "Oh, that too!". :TooFunny:
:TooFunny: :TooFunny:
Quote from: TScottW99 on March 22, 2011, 12:48:34 AM
In your field tests did you have a trespasser shoot at your turkey in front of your face with a rifle from afar?
In your field tests did a camo'd hunter blast the 2D decoy that was coming across the field?
In your field tests did your attorney advise you to gets lot of liability insurance?
I think fanning is dangerous and something I would never do, forget putting a turkey on my gun.
Of course I have been shot on private property by a trespasser just for walking across a field. Guess I don't want to push my luck.
That is terrible that you got shot on private property by a trespasser...I hope the person that did that was prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Based on your experiences, I fully understand why you would be leery of fanning, hunting with decoys, or just hunting at all. To me it seems like the issue is with trespassing and/or irresponsible hunters, not hunting equipment.
We do have liability insurance...anyone is business now-a-days HAS to have liability insurance...We live in a society where people look everywhere but in the mirror to blame whatever happens to them (not saying it was your fault you got shot, but if you were using a decoy, it wasn't the decoy's fault or the company's fault that made the decoy)
We could all probably think of hundreds of products that are extremely dangerous to use if not used with extreme caution...Climbing tree stands (and I know people who will not use a climber at all because of a bad past experience), firearms, bows, cars, motorcycles, alcohol, lawn mowers, knives, power tools, anything sharp...this list goes on and on.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
Mr Trevan, you are fighting a losing battle trying to convince any hunter in their right mind that they should risk their life using this product.
Trevan
I appreciate your attempt to explain "fanning" birds and how well it works BUT you obviously don't understand the dangers of it. Just using a Gobbler call is considered dangerous, especially on public ground, and is used only sparingly by safe, experienced hunters after observing and considering the situation. They don't put the killing of a turkey above their safety. Turkey hunters that need a guide that uses "fanning" are most likely beginners that don't understand the dangers of this practice and these are the same individuals that your product is appealing to.
Yes, "fanning" works and nobody doubts that, but it's just downright dangerous. Since all the people on this site are serious turkey hunters that enjoy turkey hunting, there is no way they want to do something dangerous to get that gobbler as soon as possible. They enjoy being out in the field and enjoying the wildlife and coming home at the end of the day in one piece so they can go back the next day. You Must Understand How Dangerous The Practice Of "FANNING" Is!
I'm in my second season of turkey hunting and I don't see the point in fanning. Why would you want to walk up to a gobbler and shoot it? Doesn't that kinda take the fun out of it??
As for that goofy decoy...might as well paint a target on your face and walk around the far end of the firing range.
Quote from: Shaw24 on March 22, 2011, 01:14:43 PM
I'm in my second season of turkey hunting and I don't see the point in fanning. Why would you want to walk up to a gobbler and shoot it? Doesn't that kinda take the fun out of it??
Some folks might feel the same way you do...others might argue that fanning birds or stalking birds is the most exciting and fun way to hunt...I would say that is for each hunter to decide.
Like I said before, just because some people are doing something doesn't make it necessarily right or wrong but here are some examples of other people who have "fanned in" birds.
http://www.hoyt.com/community/article_detail.php?id=89#0
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1211262&page=1
Quote from: FireFly908 on March 22, 2011, 11:42:02 AM
Trevan
I appreciate your attempt to explain "fanning" birds and how well it works BUT you obviously don't understand the dangers of it. Just using a Gobbler call is considered dangerous, especially on public ground, and is used only sparingly by safe, experienced hunters after observing and considering the situation. They don't put the killing of a turkey above their safety. Turkey hunters that need a guide that uses "fanning" are most likely beginners that don't understand the dangers of this practice and these are the same individuals that your product is appealing to.
Yes, "fanning" works and nobody doubts that, but it's just downright dangerous. Since all the people on this site are serious turkey hunters that enjoy turkey hunting, there is no way they want to do something dangerous to get that gobbler as soon as possible. They enjoy being out in the field and enjoying the wildlife and coming home at the end of the day in one piece so they can go back the next day. You Must Understand How Dangerous The Practice Of "FANNING" Is!
It sounds like what you are saying is that turkey hunting can be an inherently dangerous sport...I agree 100%.
Again, our product is not a gimmick but rather an innovative decoy that adds a new dimension to the sport. If you are uncomfortable with this type of hunting that is fine...just keep doing what you're doing. I would not encourage anyone to do anything they aren't comfortable with...besides, "fanning" or moving with the decoy is only part of what the Go2Gobbler does...remember, Primarily it is simply a lightweight and foldable stutting gobbler decoy.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
I have a serious question.. How are you going to be able to sleep at night when somebody is shot using your product?
Quote from: navert on March 22, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: FireFly908 on March 22, 2011, 11:42:02 AM
Trevan
I appreciate your attempt to explain "fanning" birds and how well it works BUT you obviously don't understand the dangers of it. Just using a Gobbler call is considered dangerous, especially on public ground, and is used only sparingly by safe, experienced hunters after observing and considering the situation. They don't put the killing of a turkey above their safety. Turkey hunters that need a guide that uses "fanning" are most likely beginners that don't understand the dangers of this practice and these are the same individuals that your product is appealing to.
Yes, "fanning" works and nobody doubts that, but it's just downright dangerous. Since all the people on this site are serious turkey hunters that enjoy turkey hunting, there is no way they want to do something dangerous to get that gobbler as soon as possible. They enjoy being out in the field and enjoying the wildlife and coming home at the end of the day in one piece so they can go back the next day. You Must Understand How Dangerous The Practice Of "FANNING" Is!
It sounds like what you are saying is that turkey hunting can be an inherently dangerous sport...I agree 100%.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
Trevan, you are wrong! Hunting is not an inherently dangerous sport! But some people tend to make it that way and then products like yours makes it a whole lot easier to change it into an inherently dangerous sport. And you also convinced me that you will never understand the danger of your product. You have my prayers and forgiveness!
Quote from: navert on March 22, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
It sounds like what you are saying is that turkey hunting can be an inherently dangerous sport...I agree 100%.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
Actually No, via the NWTF website "2.95 per 100,000 incidents last spring. Statistically, turkey hunting is four times safer than ping-pong, and you are 50 times more likely to take a trip to the emergency room if you play golf."
So No it is not dangerous but products and the practices suggested by your product are what will lead to a rise in incidents..
Trevan ~
Your twisted logic is absolutely astonishing !
I understand your concerns with our decoy and I thank you for your input. I don't have time to sit on a messageboard and argue with all the keyboard kings out there but I would like to answer a few comments and I will try to let you guys continue to discuss without my input.
Quote from: FireFly908 on March 22, 2011, 04:59:56 PM
Quote from: navert on March 22, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: FireFly908 on March 22, 2011, 11:42:02 AM
Trevan
I appreciate your attempt to explain "fanning" birds and how well it works BUT you obviously don't understand the dangers of it. Just using a Gobbler call is considered dangerous, especially on public ground, and is used only sparingly by safe, experienced hunters after observing and considering the situation. They don't put the killing of a turkey above their safety. Turkey hunters that need a guide that uses "fanning" are most likely beginners that don't understand the dangers of this practice and these are the same individuals that your product is appealing to.
Yes, "fanning" works and nobody doubts that, but it's just downright dangerous. Since all the people on this site are serious turkey hunters that enjoy turkey hunting, there is no way they want to do something dangerous to get that gobbler as soon as possible. They enjoy being out in the field and enjoying the wildlife and coming home at the end of the day in one piece so they can go back the next day. You Must Understand How Dangerous The Practice Of "FANNING" Is!
It sounds like what you are saying is that turkey hunting can be an inherently dangerous sport...I agree 100%.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
Trevan, you are wrong! Hunting is not an inherently dangerous sport! But some people tend to make it that way and then products like yours makes it a whole lot easier to change it into an inherently dangerous sport. And you also convinced me that you will never understand the danger of your product. You have my prayers and forgiveness!
I did not say it *is* inherently dangerous, I said it *can be* inherently dangerous. I only meant that when people are handling firearms or bows the possibility exists that someone could get hurt, therefore it *can* be dangerous. I do understand that this product can be dangerous if the proper care isn't taken...just think about it like this- Firearms can be super-dangerous if they aren't handled properly and the utmost care isn't taken to make sure they are pointed in the right direction, unloaded when they are supposed to be, etc. Diaphragm calls can be a serious choking hazard if not used properly. Do you hammer turkey call companies that manufacture diaphragm calls simply because someone could choke on it if they aren't careful? Maybe you would but I wouldn't.
Quote from: shootumindaface on March 22, 2011, 04:57:14 PM
I have a serious question.. How are you going to be able to sleep at night when somebody is shot using your product?
Let's say that the absolute worst thing happens and a trespasser thinks that a person with a decoy mounted on their gun barrel is a real turkey and shoots them...why would someone skip the irresponsible hunter and go straight to blaming our decoy? With that logic, why not blame the company that manufactured the ammunition or blame the maker of the firearm...do you sue the maker of the "good" hunter's firearm or do you sue the maker of the trespasser's? Or better yet, you could actually blame the landowner for not posting enough "no hunting" signs to keep the trespassers out. If the landowner did put up signs, you could blame the manufacturer of the signs because the ink wasn't bright enough for the trespasser to notice as he crossed the fence. Ah, don't forget about that fence...whatever company designed that fence needs to pay for not designing a more deterring fence. Or, the logical person might blame the TRESPASSER WHO CLEARLY DID NOT PROPERLY IDENTIFY HIS TARGET AND WAS BREAKING THE LAW BY TRESPASSING!
Quote from: shootumindaface on March 22, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: navert on March 22, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
It sounds like what you are saying is that turkey hunting can be an inherently dangerous sport...I agree 100%.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
Actually No, via the NWTF website "2.95 per 100,000 incidents last spring. Statistically, turkey hunting is four times safer than ping-pong, and you are 50 times more likely to take a trip to the emergency room if you play golf."
So No it is not dangerous but products and the practices suggested by your product are what will lead to a rise in incidents..
Are you saying that even if my product causes 4 times more turkey hunting "incidents," then Turkey Hunting will still be at least as safe as playing ping pong? If golfing is 50 times more likely to send you to the emergency room, we ought to be beating up on golf ball manufacturers because if they would make their balls fly farther then the poor golfers wouldn't have to swing so hard and maybe they wouldn't throw their backs out...Or maybe when someone slices a golf ball and nails the guy trying to tee off 2 holes down, we should sue the golf club maker for making a golf club that slices when you don't swing it right...it might just be me, but I would blame the person who made a bad hit on the ball, not the club maker.
Again thanks for your input.
-Trevan
trevan@wallhangeroutdoorproducts.com
there are warnings all over there site. people know what they are signing up for.
Its called natural selection
this topic is like :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:. On a positive note I just recieved my deer skin coat complete with custom made antler hat... i can't wait to try that out this fall. :z-guntootsmiley: :z-guntootsmiley:
:you_rock: :you_rock: :you_rock: :you_rock: :you_rock:
You forgot to glue the big red target to your forehead...
Sad thing is, Ronnie is joking.. This guy is looking make a fast buck
I really only think it's dangerous if someone else is being stupid....stupid happens, but lets cut this guy a break. If you dont like the product dont buy it!!!!! I'm kinda tierd of seeing this site being used to bash others....Will sold his company, Eddie put out the squeelin hen, Waddell had an affair....Whaaaa, Whaaaa, Whaaaaaa.....
I'm gonna try fanning. I'm not gonna buy this guys decoy, but I ain't gonna rag him either....ease up fellas!!!!! DANG
Navert, dont think you going to make much progress defending your product here, but welcome to the site anyway....hope to see you on some other posts
Quote from: wareagle99 on March 22, 2011, 10:04:00 PM
I really only think it's dangerous if someone else is being stupid....stupid happens, but lets cut this guy a break. If you dont like the product dont buy it!!!!! I'm kinda tierd of seeing this site being used to bash others....Will sold his company, Eddie put out the squeelin hen, Waddell had an affair....Whaaaa, Whaaaa, Whaaaaaa.....
I'm gonna try fanning. I'm not gonna buy this guys decoy, but I ain't gonna rag him either....ease up fellas!!!!! DANG
Navert, dont think you going to make much progress defending your product here, but welcome to the site anyway....hope to see you on some other posts
wareagle99, this is a turkey hunting site and as a result it has the right to critique products. Not all critiques are negative (or "bashing" in the bashing manner you put it). Other things such as "Will sold his company" or "Waddell had an affair" I have never heard of or even participated in since these are rumors and are totally different than critiques and I just don't care about them. But, the bottom line is why shouldn't this site have the right to critique a product and if somebody wants to differ with our critique, why shouldn't we beg to differ with them or them with us?
This thread has already stated my feelings on fanning but I'm not going to criticize you for doing it because you are not telling me that I should try fanning. If you do, then we can discuss it.
Also, I have nothing personal against Navert. If he posts something other than telling me the virtues of his product, then there are no discussions like what has been going on. I would be more than glad to hear from him.
I don't know if you realize it or not, but I'm not a big poster. But this subject is something that I feel would be wrong to be silent about. So let's take it for what it is and not get upset about what has been said. We're not going to change most people's minds anyway. We're just discussing the issue and possibly some noobe's are sorting the issue out while lurking.
:wave:
What did Forrest say, Stupid is that decoy??
FireFly ~
:agreed: :thanks:
As for the use of decoys, I will just stick with my DSDs, thanks.
As for the issue of liability, Navert, take a long, hard, honest look at the argument you are trying to make about golf balls and trucks, etc. The manufacturers of golf balls and trucks do not specifically build a product and instruct you to place the product 2 feet in front of your face. A golf ball and a truck do not mimic objects that are expressly the focus of being shot at. Think about it... The primary focus of turkey hunting is shooting a turkey, right? You are making a product whose primary purpose is to increase the odds of successfully shooting a turkey, right? Your product does its very best to mimic a live turkey, right? Even though you put out your disclaimer, you are instructing people that your product was created with a clamp for the express purpose of clamping it onto their gun, right? By the very nature and design of a gun, with that product clamped on your gun, it will be only about 2 feet in front of your face, right? That said, how can you not understand that by producing this product and giving such instructions for its use that you will not be held liable if someone is injured or dies while using it?
I'm not trying to degrade you as a person or your company, only to try to help you understand that no amount of money gained from the sale of a product is worth the risk you are placing yourself in regarding liability. I did some work several years ago for an attorney in the town where I live. This attorney was an avid pheasant hunter and big game hunter (hads several moose mounts in his workshop out back and a huge trophy room of African game in his office). At the time I was doing some contract work for him, he was working on a lawsuit against Thompson Center. His client lived in a state where deer could be hunted with a pistol, but not a rifle. The plantiff he was working for had mounted a 7mm mag barrel on the pistol frame for the encore. Even though the parts allowed this to physically fit, somehow the action did not hold up to the pressure of the round. The hunter was horribly disfigured, but lived after the gun exploded. I know that your decoy will likely not explode on its own, even out of misuse. The moral of this story is this... There are irresponsible people out there. There are people out there that just don't have the sense of your average box of rocks. If even one of those people buy your product and get hurt or killed as a result, there are attorneys, even ones that are avid sportsmen, who will jump at the chance to own everything that you currently think is yours. I hope it never happens, but don't say that you haven't been cautioned.
Quote from: navert on March 22, 2011, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: shootumindaface on March 22, 2011, 04:57:14 PM
I have a serious question.. How are you going to be able to sleep at night when somebody is shot using your product?
Let's say that the absolute worst thing happens and a trespasser thinks that a person with a decoy mounted on their gun barrel is a real turkey and shoots them...why would someone skip the irresponsible hunter and go straight to blaming our decoy? With that logic, why not blame the company that manufactured the ammunition or blame the maker of the firearm...do you sue the maker of the "good" hunter's firearm or do you sue the maker of the trespasser's? Or better yet, you could actually blame the landowner for not posting enough "no hunting" signs to keep the trespassers out. If the landowner did put up signs, you could blame the manufacturer of the signs because the ink wasn't bright enough for the trespasser to notice as he crossed the fence. Ah, don't forget about that fence...whatever company designed that fence needs to pay for not designing a more deterring fence. Or, the logical person might blame the TRESPASSER WHO CLEARLY DID NOT PROPERLY IDENTIFY HIS TARGET AND WAS BREAKING THE LAW BY TRESPASSING!
Trevan you still haven't answered the question but instead have decided to pass the blame.. I never said anything about trespassing, many members here and folks across the country hunt properties whether in a lease, club or on public property..
I hope that any experienced hunter would think better about using your product.. But what you are doing is feeding on the new in experienced hunters.. So I will re write the question..
How are you going to feel if someone is using your product in the manner that it is intended to be used, is shot on a piece of property in which they and the shooter have permission to hunt said property.. I agree the shooter is partially to blame, but the incident is fully in a result of your decoy and its intentions.
:z-winnersmiley: This has to be about the stupidest, most dangerous thing I have ever seen! I do not see this product cornering any market except maybe an increase in funeral home business. Might want to go back to the drawing board with this one!!!!
I hadn't opened this thread until just now cuz I just knew it was going to be about this decoy. But when I saw it was up to 6 pages long I thought oh no, what's going on. All I can seriously do at this moment is sit here in complete wonderment.... is that a word? Amazed, Confused, Bewildered, ahhhhh Lost.
Dude, welcome to the site but as already been pointed out by a few others on the board. I don't think you have a pray in the world of being able to convince the turkey hunters here on this site of the value of your product. I just hope and pray that the young hunters of today and tomorrow are not lured into trying to use this product to stalk a turkey. That right there is a major concern of mine, a young inexperienced hunter popping that thing on his gun and sneaking around in the turkey woods ending up getting blasted by another young inexperienced hunter. I truly see a Disaster waiting to happen. I pray that it doesn't but it appears very clearly the writing is on the wall and its just a matter of time before it does happen. :bible:
OK now... lets talk about better things in life!
jmo
bird
Quote from: bird on March 23, 2011, 12:49:40 PM
I hadn't opened this thread until just now cuz I just knew it was going to be about this decoy. But when I saw it was up to 6 pages I though oh no, what's going on. All I can seriously do at this moment is sit here in complete wonderment.... is that a word? Amazed, Confused, Bewildered, ahhhhh Lost.
Dude, welcome to the site but as already been pointed out by a few others on the board. I don't think you have a pray in the world of being able to convince the turkey hunters here on this site of the value of your product. I just hope and pray that the young hunters of today and tomorrow are not lured into trying to use this product to stalk a turkey. That right there is a major concern of mine, a young inexperienced hunter popping that thing on his gun and sneaking around in the turkey woods ending up getting blasted by another young inexperienced hunter. I truly see a Disaster waiting to happen. I pray that it doesn't but it appears very clearly the writing is on the wall and its just a matter of time before it does happen. :bible:
OK now... lets talk about better things in life!
jmo
bird
Well said!
Quote from: navert on March 22, 2011, 09:33:04 AM
That is terrible that you got shot on private property by a trespasser...I hope the person that did that was prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Based on your experiences, I fully understand why you would be leery of fanning, hunting with decoys, or just hunting at all. To me it seems like the issue is with trespassing and/or irresponsible hunters, not hunting equipment.
Not to :deadhorse: but I have read a lot of hunting incident reports that involve people shooting their hunting partners that are not trespassing. If people are get shot by their own partners who know they are in the area, clamping a decoy to your gun will increase the odds of getting shot exponentially. Yes people need to be responsible hunters and be sure of their target but the decoy is photo quality and if it is moving it may look very realistic. If it is supposed to fool a turkeys eyes it might fool a hunter as well. I personally wouldn't want to sell my product that could cause a fatality. JMO
navert ---
I want you understand a few things here, I think you are a nice person , and I am known for being a very patient man ..... and the members here are nice too --- but ....I have to draw the line at this one -
You may feel comfortable with this product - but I don't -This is a privately owned and operated site , ..... like my house or car it is my property and I make the call on what is acceptable or what goes on here - I don't owe anyone a explanation -
There is no way , I mean absolutely NO WAY this product you are marketing will be ever allowed to be discussed , showed or talked about ever again on this forum - I am locking this thread , and there will absolutely never be any talk of this by anyone , or any spin off talk about it allowed on this site ever again , and do not post any link in any manner to any site that has that product sold or talked about ever -
best regards - Shannon