Hi all. So, I'm getting hooked on turkey hunting, and just wanted some advice on which gun to try and make into my turkey gun.
Here are the options.
1. 10ga. I have an old Stevens 10 ga, that I have been using. It has a fixed full choke, so doesn't pattern super awesome, and its kick is just brutal. If I were to use this gun, I would put on a limbsaver, add weight to the stock, and have the barrel threaded for choke tubes. Though, not sure if its worth putting all that work into the old beast. If I wanted to stick with the big 10, maybe it would make more sense to buy a new H&R turkey pardner - as those are already threaded and drilled and tapped for sights, and camo, and 35 years newer.
2. 12ga.
A. I have a Stevens model 67E slug gun - that was my deer gun when I was young. It has a 21" smoothbore barrel with cylinder or improved fixed choke. its already drilled and tapped, and I already have a red dot scope on it and it shoots slugs pretty darn good. I also have already put on a limbsaver pad on it and painted it green and black last year. I could have it threaded for chokes and make it a combo deer / turkey gun maybe. The barrel does not remove, but Sumtoy said he could still cut threads in it for a choke.
B. My cousin has an 870 express 3" that he left at my parents house years and years ago. it has the standard 28" vent rib barrel with remchokes. He probably only shot it like 5 times ever, but its sat and has surface rust, and there are some strange brown stains inside the barrel and choke which don't quite look like rust, but must be, so if I were to "borrow" this gun, it would probably need a new barrel.
3. 20 ga. I don't currently have a 20 ga. but have been thinking about picking up a 20 ga pump to make into a turkey / grouse gun. So for this option, I would be starting completely from scratch and buying a new gun. but it could be cool. Actually, thinking about it, I do have an oldish imported FIE 20 ga break action, but not sure that is a good candidate.
so, let me know if you think one of these options stands out as the best / most logical choice. I know its probably all a matter of taste / choice / etc. but its good to get input.
I'm attaching a picture of my 10 and 12ga
I'd personally turn that Stevens into my turkey gun. I prefer a shorter barrel because of my style hunting plus it's already got a red dot (which I prefer), and I like the way it looks:). I have a feeling most guys would tell you to use the 870 and it might just need a good cleaning. But if it were to need a new barrel you're looking at about $200 give or take and that is halfway to buying a brand new shotgun or about $50 dollars away from buying a used in good shape 870. So it all depends on how much money you are willing to spend. That is my opinion.
P.s. Before you get it threaded I would try to shoot winchesters longbeard xrs from it an see what kind of patterns you get.
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I have the bottom gun with a 28" barrel. Matter of fact it was my first shotgun. Haven't shot it in years. It ain't pretty..not even a little bit. That said it's a decent gun. If I had to I'd wack the barrel off to 20-22",thread it, pattern it and go hunt in'. About the time you go buy chokes for the 870 someone will come looking for it. Invest in the ones you own it's your best option. Hey maybe you can buy the 870 for a song. I picked mine up for 150 bucks.
Hunting with a 10 ga is like lugging around a sewer pipe. Since the slug gun is a tack driver, then take it deer hunting it in November. Grab that 870, get some 3" Hevishot and a good turkey choke for it and have fun spray painting it!
Quote from: RAY on June 03, 2014, 09:48:12 PM
Hunting with a 10 ga is like lugging around a sewer pipe. Since the slug gun is a tack driver, then take it deer hunting it in November. Grab that 870, get some 3" Hevishot and a good turkey choke for it and have fun spray painting it!
X2...I'd take the 870, polish the barrel, spray paint and grab some good shells and have an instant turkey killer !! :icon_thumright:
Use the 870. Polish the barrel. Get a TruGlo SSX .643 choke. They are very resonably priced. Use HeviShot 3" #7 shot. I have this same setup. It is a killer.
Another vote for the 870. You might be able to just find a shorter barrel for it as well....
I don't know how anyone turkey hunts with a 28" barrel, also got to factor in the turkey choke 1" minimum. The ssx extends 2" and 7/16 that's almost 30.5" of barrel!! My 22" barrel still gets me angry an wishing it was shorter yet most times. Their is no right or wrong just personal preference but that's a huge deal breaker for me.
Quote from: Lukas929 on June 03, 2014, 11:40:24 PM
I don't know how anyone turkey hunts with a 28" barrel, also got to factor in the turkey choke 1" minimum. The ssx extends 2" and 7/16 that's almost 30.5" of barrel!! My 22" barrel still gets me angry an wishing it was shorter yet most times. Their is no right or wrong just personal preference but that's a huge deal breaker for me.
When I started turkey hunting as a teenager the 30" fixed full choke was the norm for many serious turkey hunters. Screw in chokes were many years down the road at that time. Most 28" barrels were choked modified. If you wanted full choke you bought it with the long barrel or you did'nt buy it. Back to the original question, the Rem 870 IMO is the best of the lot to make into a turkey specific shotgun.
Thanks guys,
You've at least helped me narrow it down to the 12 gauge options only. makes sense.
I'm going down to my parents house this weekend. I'll take another look at the 870 and see what the funk in the barrel looks like. I'm worried that the choke is rusted/siezed into the barrel - so if it needs a new barrel, that would be more expense probably than threading the other gun - but I'll look at it and see what it looks like. Also, the other concern is that he will randomly show up some year and ask for his guns, although he might not even remember that we have them. I think we've had them since the late 90s. I guess I could just ask him.
Quote from: WildTigerTrout on June 04, 2014, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: Lukas929 on June 03, 2014, 11:40:24 PM
I don't know how anyone turkey hunts with a 28" barrel, also got to factor in the turkey choke 1" minimum. The ssx extends 2" and 7/16 that's almost 30.5" of barrel!! My 22" barrel still gets me angry an wishing it was shorter yet most times. Their is no right or wrong just personal preference but that's a huge deal breaker for me.
When I started turkey hunting as a teenager the 30" fixed full choke was the norm for many serious turkey hunters. Screw in chokes were many years down the road at that time. Most 28" barrels were choked modified. If you wanted full choke you bought it with the long barrel or you did'nt buy it. Back to the original question, the Rem 870 IMO is the best of the lot to make into a turkey specific shotgun.
Cotton clothing was used as well, but would you not agree things have pogressed beyond what was done when you were a teenager? Do you make your kids walk to school barefooted uphill both ways?
Quote from: RemingtonRules on June 04, 2014, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: WildTigerTrout on June 04, 2014, 09:46:08 AM
Quote from: Lukas929 on June 03, 2014, 11:40:24 PM
I don't know how anyone turkey hunts with a 28" barrel, also got to factor in the turkey choke 1" minimum. The ssx extends 2" and 7/16 that's almost 30.5" of barrel!! My 22" barrel still gets me angry an wishing it was shorter yet most times. Their is no right or wrong just personal preference but that's a huge deal breaker for me.
When I started turkey hunting as a teenager the 30" fixed full choke was the norm for many serious turkey hunters. Screw in chokes were many years down the road at that time. Most 28" barrels were choked modified. If you wanted full choke you bought it with the long barrel or you did'nt buy it. Back to the original question, the Rem 870 IMO is the best of the lot to make into a turkey specific shotgun.
I did it for about 10 years or so. A 28" 11-87 plus an extended choke. Nary a problem
Cotton clothing was used as well, but would you not agree things have pogressed beyond what was done when you were a teenager? Do you make your kids walk to school barefooted uphill both ways?
Umm...Don't most hunters these days still wear cotton camo in the spring? Lol
Cotton clothing: jeans and flannel. Their is a reason why modern day turkey specific off the shelf shotguns have shorter than normal barrels and that is because it's what the majority of consumers want. Sure longer barrels can still kill a turkey but that extra 10" does NOTHING for me other than make it harder to maneuver through the woods and make it heavier.
Btw wildtigertrout shoots a 24" barrel and budtrips dream gun is one with a 23" barrel, taken from their previous posts.
Trust me it makes a difference when your putting on miles if that is how you hunt. Also your looking at about $150 minimum for red dot if that's what you want on the 870 and another $25 for sling mounts if you want to put them on....the Stevens already has them installed. If money isn't a big deal then I'd rather customize the 870 as well, but for practicality of what is rightfully yours an not borrowed the Stevens is a no brainer for me.
The 870. The possibilities are as endless as as Obama's lies.
Don't even think about threading the barrel on the 10 gauge. Tru Choke threads is all that are available and then your choke selection is NONE!!
Call the cousin and see what he says. Since you've had his guns for about 15 years, he's probably forgot about them. Who leaves their guns with someone for that long? I'd tell him there's a storage fee for the price of his 870. Then go build your turkey gun.
Don't worry about it being 28in barrel. You can always have it cut down and rethreaded if you want. I had a 30in barrel cut down to something like 25 1/4" which was right in front of the rib support. If you get Sumtoy to do the work, William will make you a choke based on what she'll you want to shoot.
If your deer gun shoots as good as you say it does, I'd leave it alone.
Quote from: Lukas929 on June 04, 2014, 04:17:21 PM
Btw wildtigertrout shoots a 24" barrel and budtrips dream gun is one with a 23" barrel, taken from their previous posts.
Trust me it makes a difference when your putting on miles if that is how you hunt. Also your looking at about $150 minimum for red dot if that's what you want on the 870 and another $25 for sling mounts if you want to put them on....the Stevens already has them installed. If money isn't a big deal then I'd rather customize the 870 as well, but for practicality of what is rightfully yours an not borrowed the Stevens is a no brainer for me.
You are right I do like 24-26" barrels but I honestly would not have a problem with a 28" barrel. In my previous post I was referencing what was available years ago and how far we have come. I do think 30" barrels are to long but that was all you could get at that time so most serious turkey hunters used them. BTW alot of turkey hunters even today still wear cotton. LOL
While the Stevens pump gun does shoot slugs good - I never ever use it for deer hunting any more since rifles became legal. I always use my 30-30 now. So, there is no real point keeping it just for deer. I'm leaning towards sending it to Sumtoy, because I do own it and don't have to worry about buying it from my cousin or using it without his knowledge. Plus, who knows, if I get it threaded, maybe it would shoot slugs even better with a rifled choke?
Good idea Flint.
Keep us updated on what happens, I think it's cooler hunting with a gun not everyone has anyway....everybody and their brother turkey hunts with an 870, I used to but not anymore!
Quote from: Gooserbat on June 04, 2014, 05:11:26 PM
The 870. The possibilities are as endless as as Obama's lies.
Dude,your not a kidding!Same as NY assault weapon laws!!!2 months ago i had legal shotguns with the shurshots and thumbholes in my semis,now they are illegal and i hunt pa. and ny.But if i have a pump there ok???Probably change to!Over a stock??Sorry OP for hijacking!!Sounds like obama is in ny to.
The 870 would be a great gun for the price and like gooserbat said ,the possibilites are endless.
Quote from: Lukas929 on June 05, 2014, 04:14:36 PM
Keep us updated on what happens, I think it's cooler hunting with a gun not everyone has anyway....everybody and their brother turkey hunts with an 870, I used to but not anymore!
Will do, stripped it all down last night down to the barrel and receiver - since the barrel does not remove. Receiver and Barrel at least seem very solid - its all solid thick steel. The diameter at the end of the barrel is over .9" so Sumtoy should have no problem having enough metal to work with.
Sounds like a cool and different build! Keep us updated with your progress, looking forward to seeing how it turns out.