Just shot the new 3", #5 Longbeard XR's through my Benelli...WOW!!! Only thing is, most of them hang up (don't eject all the way). Anybody else have that trouble? Using a .670 DND Haymaker...This is killin' me!
I shot 3" 6's out of an M2 with a jellyhead and an undertaker with no issues. It throws a great KILLING pattern...2 birds this year, neither flopped...
No problems out of my Benelli.
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Thanks gents...I'm wondering if it doesn't have something to do with having the forcing cone lengthened and polished. Seems like since I've had that done a few things have happened that never happened before. One is patterns went south, which I've addressed (patterns well now) and, with some ammo, the bolt doesn't stay open after last shot...Man, I wish I'd never done that!
My buddy has no problems out of his M2 shooting the Longbeard 6s
Not saying the forcing cone caused your issues , but I will point out that the folks that espouse the virtues of this work-- forcing cone-- to your barrel ( pemenant & irreversible ) disappear quickly ( with your money )
The recoil will be best addressed by using a good after market recoil pad - ( selling point for those recommending the barrel work )
You might want to look into having the gun sent back to whoever did the work on it in the first place and see if they can correct the issues , or ask them to replace the barrel for a new one
With the issues you are having I would guess there's a problem with the action. The m2 has had some cycling problems from what I understand even with heavy loads. Not saying the forcing cone isn't the issue but you should look at everything.
Had a buddy that tried the 3 inch LBs and had the same problem. Finally figured out the the shells were a full 1/8th inch longer than any other 3 inch shell we put them next to.
O.G. The guy that did the work has a really good reputation and he's been accommodating.He sent me a choke to try to improve the patterns, which it did. He also went to bat for me with Benelli to replace the receiver shroud because the original one was so hard it couldn't be drilled and tapped. That being said the discussions we had revolved around improving the pattern. The pitch was that it wouldn't do anything degrading to the pattern. Afterwards the idea that results weren't favorable in a small number of the 24" bbls., which is what I have, was floated as to a reason for the poor performance...Not saying that they didn't try to help. Not saying that at all...It's just that if I had that tidbit of information before hand, I would have made a completely different decision. I was thinking of contacting them to see if either trigger work or lengthening the forcing cone could have caused the problem.
The recoil, according to the guy doing the work, was supposed to lessen. I can't say whether it did or not since most of my shooting has been done with different ammo than before the lengthening...Hunting recoil isn't problematic, it's just off the bench, which I expected, so that I'm not really concerned about...
Buck...Is your buddies gun an SBE II? I'd buy that explanation if the gun I was shooting it out of was a 3" gun but this is a 3 1/2". I'd think even "long" 3" shells would cycle out of a 3 1/2". That and some of the hulls end up right at my feet, which they never did before the work. The LB's generally end up sticking out of the chamber, bolt clamped down on the brass. This is with recoil that feels like it's going to break something on my body! Should be PLENTY of residual energy to eject the shell...
No sir, he shoots an M2. I'm like you, it shouldn't be a problem with a 3.5 inch gun.
I've had the same issue with my SBE II. Shooting Hevishot 3's in it and while not every time...several times it doesn't eject fully. If I did need a follow up shot it couldn't be done. No problems with lighter load 3's for grouse etc...but it will happen with those turkey loads.
I called the outfit that did the work and they said it sounded like the recoil spring was weakening. They suggested a Wolf recoil spring so I have one on the way...Hopefully this will resolve the issue. I'll try to post when I find out if it mitigates the problem...
Had the same problem in a m2 20 ga
Wolf spring fixed the issue
Are you shooting a sbe2 with a steady grip by chance?
Thanks Itprod...Makes me feel a little more confident about it...Spurcollecta...No, the state of N.J. has decided that the U.S. Constitution doesn't fully apply here. We're not allowed pistol grips or retractable stocks or flash hiders...Go down the list. If it's black and semi, it's suspect and dangerous... ::)
Might be a spring issue. Or is the shell getting lodged in the barrel?
Quote from: sixbird on June 09, 2014, 11:00:13 PM
Thanks Itprod...Makes me feel a little more confident about it...Spurcollecta...No, the state of N.J. has decided that the U.S. Constitution doesn't fully apply here. We're not allowed pistol grips or retractable stocks or flash hiders...Go down the list. If it's black and semi, it's suspect and dangerous... ::)
Man that sucks not being able to have pistol grips and adjustable stocks! The reason I asked is because my best buddy has and sbe2 and he was fighting with ejection issues and we ended up tracing it back to him adding the pistol grip. He put his old stock back on and hasn't had any problems since then. If I were you I'd start with the springs
Spurcollecta u mean d. Morris!!
Quote from: RAY on June 09, 2014, 11:20:36 PM
Might be a spring issue. Or is the shell getting lodged in the barrel?
Shell not getting lodged in the barrel. It gets stovepiped (caught between the chamber and the bolt). Hoping it is a spring issue. That's a relatively easy fix.
Received the Wolf recoil spring and installed it (remarkable how easy that was)...Haven't shot yet but, MAN, what a difference in the bolt closing strength! That thing SLAMS with authority now! Wouldn't want to get my fingers in it before, but now...Can we say 4 fingered sixbird???!!!
Ouch
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Ouch is right man...Sixbird making mental note...Keep fingers away from bolt... :o
Just wanted to add that I went ahead and replaced the recoil spring in my M2 for as cheap as they are why not....The bolt closes with authority..As six bird said you do not want to get your finger caught in it.
How does the pattern hold together out past 40 on these shells?
Out to 40, it's remarkable! My pattern diameter at 40 with 3" #5's was around 14". Meaning the main part of the pattern was in that dia. The entire pattern save a few flyers was in a 24" circle. I'm shooting An SBE II that has had the forcing cone lengthened and polished and I'm shooting a .670 DND Haymaker and a Rob Roberts .655 (both patterned well).
Past 40 is pretty much Irrelevant to me since the Longbeards are lead and I don't believe that lead has sufficient energy past 40 to reliably kill a gobbler. So the answer to beyond 40...I don't know. I would imagine pattern density would be sufficient at maybe 50, but I'm just guessing and I wouldn't recommend shooting out that far with lead (not even with Hevi, for that matter)...I've been on the search for wounded birds. That's not a good feeling...