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I have completed my evaluation of the new Mossberg 835 with the Matthews Harmonic Dampner Recoil Reduction System. I will publish it tomorrow on allaboutshooting.com and will post a link to it here.

I will make this a 2 part article and discuss my findings with different chokes and shells later but wanted to let you know specifically what I found out about the Matthews System.

I appreciate your interest in this project and apologize for the time it has taken to get it completed.

Thanks,
Clark

Can't wait.

very interested in this

Here's a link to my article evaluating the Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag with the Matthews Harmonic Dampner Recoil Reduction System.

I hope you find it interesting and helpful.

http://allaboutshooting.com/article_info.php?articles_id=663

Thanks,
Clark

Thanks for sharing.  In my small mind recoil and vibration are two different animals.  The Harmonic Dampner works for vibration but I do not see that it can help with recoil.  I think the difference is the better recoil pad that you note.   :z-twocents: from  someone who has never shot a Mossberg.

Thanks. That's a good read as always.

Quote from: RemingtonRules on May 10, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
Thanks for sharing.  In my small mind recoil and vibration are two different animals.  The Harmonic Dampner works for vibration but I do not see that it can help with recoil.  I think the difference is the better recoil pad that you note.   :z-twocents: from  someone who has never shot a Mossberg.

If you look at the picture of the stock at the top of the article, you can see those "spokes" in the bell shaped portion of the dampner. Reportedly, the rearward motion of the recoil is absorbed by that device and dampened by it.

I spent a number of years studying harmonics in shotgun barrels and was impressed with what can happen when they are dampened.

Thanks,
Clark

Quote from: ericjames on May 10, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
Thanks. That's a good read as always.

I appreciate the positive comments.

Thanks,
Clark

Clark-Great read sir! Very nice to see Mossberg addressing that noise issue as well.

Great read as always, Clark!
Thank you for sharing your testing with us! :icon_thumright:

Thanks for posting Clark. I remember Browning putting a muzzle break called the B.O.S.S. on their rifles for harmonic dampening. Glad to see Mossberg not afraid to think outside the box.

Great job Clark.  Sounds like this new dampening system will be a big hit. 

Thank you all for the kind words. It's been a very interesting project and it's always good to see a product introduced that actually works as advertised or maybe a little better.

Thanks,
Clark

How's your shoulder?  :z-guntootsmiley:

Quote from: CrustyRusty on May 11, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
How's your shoulder?  :z-guntootsmiley:

So far, so good. I don't like 3.5" shells through any gun and shoot a minimum of them, just enough in each gun/choke to get a representative sample.

Still target shooting over the years has however taken a toll on my body. It's really the torque to the spine that causes me problems. I don't shoot the huge numbers of shells at one time like I did 15 years ago.

Thanks,
Clark

Good read!! Is the comb area padded or just the same hard plastic the stocks made out of? 

Great article!  Thanks!

Quote from: SCDieselDawg on May 12, 2014, 10:25:01 AM
Good read!! Is the comb area padded or just the same hard plastic the stocks made out of?

Thank you. It's hard plastic.

Thanks,
Clark

Quote from: jblackburn on May 12, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
Great article!  Thanks!

Thank you. It's been really interesting evaluation.

Thanks,
Clark

I have an old Viking grade 835 from 1998 or so, really love the gun!  I switched to 3.5 inch Win XX6s from the 3 inch version a couple years ago, it REALLY likes those shells!  I don't spend much time at a patterning board, though!

Quote from: jblackburn on May 12, 2014, 02:13:33 PM
I have an old Viking grade 835 from 1998 or so, really love the gun!  I switched to 3.5 inch Win XX6s from the 3 inch version a couple years ago, it REALLY likes those shells!  I don't spend much time at a patterning board, though!

Those guns just keep on going. My first one was in the 1980s and I shot 3.5" Federals through it. It was not a gun that I would have liked to put in a lot of range time with either.

You'd really enjoy shooting one of these new guns.

Thanks,
Clark

Clark,
Any idea of how many $s this might add to the cost of the 835?

Quote from: RAJ on May 12, 2014, 06:52:12 PM
Clark,
Any idea of how many $s this might add to the cost of the 835?

Hey Robert,

From what I can see, not much. Mossberg seems to have been willing to absorb most of the cost.

Thanks,
Clark

I DONT HAVE A 835 I HAVE THE 935 , FROM WHAT I JUST FOUND , THE SYSTEM ISN'T THAT BAD OF THE PRICE

http://www.opticsplanet.com/mossberg-recoil-reduction-stock-with-mathews-harmonic-damper-black-835-535-500-5.html

Quote from: outdoors on May 12, 2014, 09:34:19 PM
I DONT HAVE A 835 I HAVE THE 935 , FROM WHAT I JUST FOUND , THE SYSTEM ISN'T THAT BAD OF THE PRICE

http://www.opticsplanet.com/mossberg-recoil-reduction-stock-with-mathews-harmonic-damper-black-835-535-500-5.html

Not bad at all compared to other replacement stocks.

Thanks,
Clark

Great article!  I know when I bought my 835 in 2006 I went out the next day and got a limbsaver slip on recoil pad because of what I had read, when I started shooting 3.5" shells thru it 3 years ago I added a beartooth comb raising kit due to the cheek "slap" (more like a punch!).  Glad to see Mossberg is listening to it's customers and improving their products.  One question though, how did your cheek fair when shooting a 3.5" turkey load thru it?  Is the built in comb adjustment padded?

QuoteGreat article!  I know when I bought my 835 in 2006 I went out the next day and got a limbsaver slip on recoil pad because of what I had read, when I started shooting 3.5" shells thru it 3 years ago I added a beartooth comb raising kit due to the cheek "slap" (more like a punch!).  Glad to see Mossberg is listening to it's customers and improving their products.  One question though, how did your cheek fair when shooting a 3.5" turkey load thru it?  Is the built in comb adjustment padded?

Thank you. I have used those Beartooth comb raising kits on several guns and just the neoprene sleeve on others to tame cheek slap as well.

Mossberg certainly seems to be tuned in to their customer base and I've seen more and more shooters using those guns in the last few years.

Neither of the combs is padded. When I took my first shot, for whatever reason, I did not have a good cheek weld. It got me! After that I made sure my cheek was firmly seated on the comb and it was just fine. I mounted the higher comb just to see how easy it was and to judge my eye position but since I wanted to shoot the gun just as it came, using the beads, I did not fire any shots with the higher comb.

At some point, I'll put a base on the 835 and mount a scope, just to see how that affects everything. That always lessens recoil of course because it adds weight.

Thanks,
Clark

Hey Clark, I see the weight listed on Mossberg site as 8.5 lbs.  Is this a misprint or is it heavier because of the new stock. That may account for a reduction in felt recoil.  Thanks.

This maybe a dumb question, but can a person buy just the dampener, and install it in the stock himself?

Quote from: CrustyRusty on May 13, 2014, 09:29:24 PM
Hey Clark, I see the weight listed on Mossberg site as 8.5 lbs.  Is this a misprint or is it heavier because of the new stock. That may account for a reduction in felt recoil.  Thanks.

It's heavier but it's not at all noticeable because it balances so much better in the hands. I'm sure that helps with the recoil reduction as well.

Thanks,
Clark

QuoteThis maybe a dumb question, but can a person buy just the dampener, and install it in the stock himself?

You can purchase a replacement stock with the system installed.

Thanks,
Clark

Quote from: allaboutshooting on May 13, 2014, 10:14:55 PM

QuoteThis maybe a dumb question, but can a person buy just the dampener, and install it in the stock himself?

You can purchase a replacement stock with the system installed.

Thanks,
Clark

I've already purchased a new pistol grip stock for my 835, and with my skills, I could easily install this in the stock I bought,.........If I could get it.  May have to give Mossberg a call today.

Excellent article Mr. Clark, thanks for sharing it. I can't wait to read part 2!
peak98

Quote from: peak98 on May 14, 2014, 10:01:26 PM
Excellent article Mr. Clark, thanks for sharing it. I can't wait to read part 2!
peak98

Thank you. I hope to get that done this week.

Thanks again,
Clark

Hey Clark, does it have the LPA trigger.

Quote from: CrustyRusty on May 17, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
Hey Clark, does it have the LPA trigger.

Yes, mine has the LPA trigger. I really like that trigger. It's smooth, no creep and no over travel. I set it at the lowest setting and it's more like a good rifle trigger.

Thanks,
Clark

Thanks. That convinced me to get one

What is the shortest barrel available with the Sims and trigger package?  :blob10:

Quote from: CrustyRusty on May 17, 2014, 01:24:44 PM
Thanks. That convinced me to get one

I know you'll enjoy it.

Thanks,
Clark

Quote from: lowoctane on May 17, 2014, 01:31:50 PM

What is the shortest barrel available with the Sims and trigger package?  :blob10:

There are a number of options, including finish,  that you can choose and each influences the barrel length available.

I'd be happy to help but it's probably easier if you start here  http://www.mossberg.com/products/shotguns and go through the available options and choose the options, including finish, that you like.

Thanks,
Clark

Quote from: allaboutshooting on May 17, 2014, 06:18:06 PM

Quote from: lowoctane on May 17, 2014, 01:31:50 PM

What is the shortest barrel available with the Sims and trigger package?  :blob10:

There are a number of options, including finish,  that you can choose and each influences the barrel length available.

I'd be happy to help but it's probably easier if you start here  http://www.mossberg.com/products/shotguns and go through the available options and choose the options, including finish, that you like.

Thanks,
Clark

Thank you once again sir!

You're welcome. Please let me know if I can be of any help. Feel free to PM or e-mail me at clark@allaboutshooting.com

Thanks,
Clark

Great write up Mr. Clark!  Not for me, but hopefully the system will help others.

Quote from: davisd9 on May 21, 2014, 09:31:05 AM
Great write up Mr. Clark!  Not for me, but hopefully the system will help others.

Thank you. It was a very interesting experience.

Thanks again,
Clark