My buddy bought some 3.5" long beard #6 and we hit the range to try it out. He shot an 870 with 660 JH and I shot my 835/675 Sumtoy combo with 20" bbl.
First, I'm gonna say this stuff is bad. Hevi can move over.
The 870/660 went 252/142 with a total shot count of 475
The 835/675 went 253/152 with a total shot count of 467
I have pics but not sure how to post them. I sent them to Sumtoy, maybe he will post them up
I'm taking that was 30yds.
Haha...no...I never shoot 30 yards. This was verified by 2 different range finders today and I sat with my bbl on the 40 yd line.
Quote from: fountain2 on February 09, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
The 835/675 went 253/152 with a total shot count of 467
Do you mean 253 in the 20" and 152 in the 10" ??
Nope..252 and 253 in the 10" at 40.
Quote from: fountain2 on February 09, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
Nope..252 and 253 in the 10" at 40.
SWEET!!! That's GREAT!!! Congrats! :icon_thumright: :z-guntootsmiley: :icon_thumright:
Wow those are some crazy numbers. Going to have to pick some up to see what they can do. I will say that I was very impressed with the thugs last year and it will take a lot to get me to switch from them....
All of there numbers are correct at 40 yards I am a witness since I was the 870 and jellyhead trigger puller. This is the best lead turkey load I've ever seen on paper Winchester has set the bar for Lead and Hevi shot better watch out BC this Longbeard XR is gonna be #1 by hunters this season in my opinion.
Great numbers!!! I want some of this stuff so bad I can't stand it. No where around me has it out yet. My dad found some but the guy wanted 45 dollars for a box.
Let's get the pics up! I wanna try these especially with the recent reports of the newer Hevi loads.
Quote from: Nd2020 on February 09, 2014, 07:35:04 PM
Great numbers!!! I want some of this stuff so bad I can't stand it. No where around me has it out yet. My dad found some but the guy wanted 45 dollars for a box.
I'll bet they were pricing the old Winchester "Xtended" load (those were 42.00-45.00 per box). The new long beard XR load is only around 18-19 in 3" and 22-24 for 3.5".
Where can you order em from? Cabelas is back order
Bass Pro has them.Lee
Great pattern.
Well I would hate to see a 20yd pattern from those shells.
That's incredible.
I know this fountain guy. And I know he tells the truth. At least he never has given me any reason to doubt him.
I'm gonna have to try a box of those 3.5" #6's.
Send me those pictures buddy in a pm and I will post them for you here.
Quote from: fountain2 on February 09, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
My buddy bought some 3.5" long beard #6 and we hit the range to try it out. He shot an 870 with 660 JH and I shot my 835/675 Sumtoy combo with 20" bbl.
First, I'm gonna say this stuff is bad. Hevi can move over.
The 870/660 went 252/142 with a total shot count of 475
The 835/675 went 253/152 with a total shot count of 467
I have pics but not sure how to post them. I sent them to Sumtoy, maybe he will post them up
What do the 142 and 152 numbers represent? Can't figure out what these numbers mean.
Quote from: fountain2 on February 09, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
My buddy bought some 3.5" long beard #6 and we hit the range to try it out. He shot an 870 with 660 JH and I shot my 835/675 Sumtoy combo with 20" bbl.
First, I'm gonna say this stuff is bad. Hevi can move over.
The 870/660 went 252/142 with a total shot count of 475
The 835/675 went 253/152 with a total shot count of 467
I have pics but not sure how to post them. I sent them to Sumtoy, maybe he will post them up
I think I may be missing something. The larger numbers, 475 and 467 represent the total hits in a 20" circle?
Thanks,
Clark
Is this a 2 ounce load of 6 shot lead? 222 per ounce right? Or?
Thats 100+ percent in a 20" circle, wow
Wow great numbers....I am heading to Bass Pro today to pick some up.
How much harder will the longbeards kick in a 3 1/2 in 2 oz compared to hevi 3 in 2 oz in 12 ga
the 142 and 152 are the 20" numbers and the 467 and 475 are total hits on paper andim guessing for that particular load as we shot very large paper.
ilikehevi..pm sent
Quote from: fountain2 on February 10, 2014, 12:26:48 PM
the 142 and 152 are the 20" numbers and the 467 and 475 are total hits on paper andim guessing for that particular load as we shot very large paper.
ilikehevi..pm sent
I appreciate the clarification.
Thanks,
Clark
oh ok 396 total in the 20 with the 870 and 405 in the 835.
makes sense and still that is one awesome pattern :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
WOW
Quote from: owlhoot on February 10, 2014, 07:23:04 PM
oh ok 396 total in the 20 with the 870 and 405 in the 835.
makes sense and still that is one awesome pattern :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
WOW
396,405 in a 20" @ 40yds..that's bad medicine on ole' Tom.
I have a beretta/ xtrema/ hevi 13 choke that shoots 230's in a 10" with Hevi 13 6's and 330's in a 10" with Hevi 7's. Don't have the confidence in the new Hevi shells to buy more.. Gonna be interesting to see what it will do with these shells.
gonna be a lot of mad hunters when they pull the trigger at 20 and under and their bird is :turkey2: because they missed!!!!
It exclusive at Bass Pro
Quote from: mwr on February 10, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
It exclusive at Bass Pro
No ....not exclusive....but they seem to be the only ones who have it in stock right now.
Quote from: knightrider on February 10, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
gonna be a lot of mad hunters when they pull the trigger at 20 and under and their bird is :turkey2: because they missed!!!!
Tight patterning guns are not for everyone. Snatch the trigger and it's an easy miss. Sights, Red Dots, or scopes are a must with guns that shoot softball to volleyball size patterns inside 20yds.
They are bad stuff and hevi has a very serious competitor now..and its beating them 6 vs 6 I think.
Some very good patterns are being posted and I'm sure there are more to come. Some 275+ and one near 300 posted on another forum already.
I didn't shoot these to get in any contest or to have any question me, we just wanted to see how they did. Some are questioning me, I don't care. I'm not even going to hunt with them so I sure don't have anything to hide about it. Its just a thing...I have always wanted to find a good lead load. Never have..and I've shot almost every competitive load out there. None have been satisfactory to me until these. I'm going to grab some if my own in Nashville and shoot more
Thanks for posting your results, I'm fired up with the results I've seen. Looking forward to 2 dollars a shell (3") rather than 6-7. Price of Hevi is steadily going up and pattern results are going down. Tired of being burnt by ammunition companies on all kinds of ammo. The results I have seen I would carry around in the woods no problem. Nice patterns at 40 yds for a reasonable price..perfect.
Quote from: drum817 on February 10, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: mwr on February 10, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
It exclusive at Bass Pro
No ....not exclusive....but they seem to be the only ones who have it in stock right now.
You're correct Tim,but I know Bass Pro is getting the biggest supply of it....
Here's the 3.5" #6 Long Beard 835 20" barrel pattern using a SumToy .675.
Here's the 3.5" #6 Long Beard 870 pattern using a Jelly Head .660.
Those are GREAT!!! :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
Thanks for posting those brad. Pretty good patterns and mind blowing for lead. My buddy is actually a little worried about his being too tight!
I sure hope we don't run into the whole lot # deal like we did with the "good" hevi shot loads several years back. I also hope they don't discontinue or continuously swap components like hevi did as well
Quote from: fountain2 on February 11, 2014, 07:19:52 AM
Thanks for posting those brad. Pretty good patterns and mind blowing for lead. My buddy is actually a little worried about his being too tight!
I sure hope we don't run into the whole lot # deal like we did with the "good" hevi shot loads several years back. I also hope they don't discontinue or continuously swap components like hevi did as well
Your welcome.
And I hear you on all counts.
Wow, those numbers are close to what I'm getting with my Hevi 7's! I would much rather pay lead prices for that performance and get more shells per box to boot.
You guys are forgetting that the kinetic energy of Hevi-13 is far superior to lead.
A 252@40 lead pattern is impressive but it does not retain the killing power of 252@40 with h13. The harder you hit them, the better as far as I'm concerned.
As far as softball sized patterns at 20 yards go.... You need to go to the range if you can't hit a turkey with a softball sized pattern at 20 yards.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 12, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
You guys are forgetting that the kinetic energy of Hevi-13 is far superior to lead.
A 252@40 lead pattern is impressive but it does not retain the killing power of 252@40 with h13. The harder you hit them, the better as far as I'm concerned.
As far as softball sized patterns at 20 yards go.... You need to go to the range if you can't hit a turkey with a softball sized pattern at 20 yards.
Preach it brother :)
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 12, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
You guys are forgetting that the kinetic energy of Hevi-13 is far superior to lead.
A 252@40 lead pattern is impressive but it does not retain the killing power of 252@40 with h13. The harder you hit them, the better as far as I'm concerned.
As far as softball sized patterns at 20 yards go.... You need to go to the range if you can't hit a turkey with a softball sized pattern at 20 yards.
I was never impressed with the patterns of Hevi. The most I got was 169 out of 2 different guns, 5 different chokes, and 4 different Hevi loads.
If Hevi could put 252 in the 10, I would probably shoot it.
Quote from: klemsontigers7 on February 12, 2014, 08:57:20 AM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 12, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
You guys are forgetting that the kinetic energy of Hevi-13 is far superior to lead.
A 252@40 lead pattern is impressive but it does not retain the killing power of 252@40 with h13. The harder you hit them, the better as far as I'm concerned.
As far as softball sized patterns at 20 yards go.... You need to go to the range if you can't hit a turkey with a softball sized pattern at 20 yards.
I was never impressed with the patterns of Hevi. The most I got was 169 out of 2 different guns, 5 different chokes, and 4 different Hevi loads.
If Hevi could put 252 in the 10, I would probably shoot it.
Sorry to hear about your trouble with h13.
Both of my two primary turkey guns go over 250 with h13 6s in the 2.25 ounce loads running Sumtoy and Indian Creek choke tubes with polished barrels.
Quote from: klemsontigers7 on February 12, 2014, 08:57:20 AM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 12, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
You guys are forgetting that the kinetic energy of Hevi-13 is far superior to lead.
A 252@40 lead pattern is impressive but it does not retain the killing power of 252@40 with h13. The harder you hit them, the better as far as I'm concerned.
As far as softball sized patterns at 20 yards go.... You need to go to the range if you can't hit a turkey with a softball sized pattern at 20 yards.
I was never impressed with the patterns of Hevi. The most I got was 169 out of 2 different guns, 5 different chokes, and 4 different Hevi loads.
If Hevi could put 252 in the 10, I would probably shoot it.
I'm failing to understand the problem with 162 and HV 6 shot. That is very good numbers and a lot of energy going down range. Id take 162 in heavy alloy then 200 in lead personally if the overall pattern was good and even.
It wasn't even. My SBE2 was even worse. None of my guns liked it.
Quote from: klemsontigers7 on February 12, 2014, 12:08:23 PM
It wasn't even. My SBE2 was even worse. None of my guns liked it.
They weren't choked right then.
Hey Goblr77, have you run any of these 3.5 Win LB's through your xtrema/h13 choke? Just curious..trying to hold buying some 3.5 until I see some Beretta results.
Quote from: Longshanks on February 12, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
Hey Goblr77, have you run any of these 3.5 Win LB's through your xtrema/h13 choke? Just curious..trying to hold buying some 3.5 until I see some Beretta results.
No. I haven't bought or shot any 12 gauge loads since I switched over to hunting with a 20 ga full time. I still have the Xtrema and a stockpile of Hevi 7s...the good lots. I'm keeping them just in case. My brother shot some LB #5s through his 835 and they weren't very impressive. I hear the 5s aren't good for some reason and I believe it from seeing his patterns. They put up decent 10" numbers when squeezed through a TG SSX but the overall 20" pattern was spotty. They were awful through a Jellyhead .690. Fed Turkey Thug 3.5" #5s had a good looking pattern through his gun and the Jellyhead. Not super high 10" numbers but a dang good, even pattern overall.
Thanks, I have allot of the 3.5 7's as well, probably gonna shoot the 3.5 hevi 6's and hang on to the 7's. Most of the Win LB 5 patterns I have seen were spotty in the 20". I'm gonna run the Win LB 3" 6's in a couple of my 870/kicks lead slingers. Killed a couple of turkey's last year with the Beretta 20g/ Hevi 13 choke/ Fed HW 7's. Combo is bad medicine on the turkey's.
I really need to try some of these new shells. Do they offer these in 20 gauge as well?
Bass Pro has them in stock. Just ordered 2 boxes 3" 6's.