Do they pattern denser or just hit harder than the lead Winchester shells. I used to shoot Win Supreme and the Win Supreme HV shells before I went to Heavy shot. I get better numbers with the Heavy Shot but wonder if I am missing something not testing the Win Extended Range. I just hate to spend 40 dollars to find out.
Will,
To be honest, I doubt you will get better numbers with the Xtended Range than what you are currently getting with your Hevi-Shot loads. Now that's not saying it can't happen, but most guys that used to shoot Win Xtended Range shells and have made the switch to Hevi-Shot especially those that are shooting the 7's aren't looking back or planning to go back to the Xtended Range shells. anytime soon.
Wrong Brad..... As you know I am getting 299 in 10 with my 870SM and H13 #7's. But I dumped the H13 and switched to the Winchester HD's for one main reason. I want a shell that hits like a Mack truck and I want a shell that I feel confident that will "consistently" hit like that Mack truck. Although the H13 may put up bigger numbers it isn't capable of the energy of the Win HD and isn't a "consistant" performer like that as the Win HD's otherwise why would you guys always need to be searching for lot #'s on those H13's.
I'll take fewer pellets in 10 for a Consistant Hard Hitter any day of the week over the H13.
Your blinded by numbers on paper. You guys are Drunk on the H13 Koolaid!!!
bird
Al,
Reread what I said.
Now that's not saying it can't happen, but most guys that used to shoot Win Xtended Range shells and have made the switch to Hevi-Shot especially those that are shooting the 7's aren't looking back or planning to go back to the Xtended Range shells. anytime soon.
And yes there will be exceptions.
the XR give me more uniform patterns that the hevi shot,plus it don;t hurt that they hit alot harder
I prefer XR to the bronze, red, or green h13. XR hits hard and is consistent
I shoot Hevi-13 but like Bird have gotten more consistensy out of Winchester XRHD, when my stash of Hevi is shot up I'm going back to Winchester XRHD #6.
When comparing the H13 #6s to the Xtended Range #6s, it seems like MOST get better numbers with the H13 shells. I would think the H13 #6s would also penetrate better. The Winchester shells are supposed to be 135fps fasters but the H13 shells are supposed to be denser.
why would HV-13 penetrate deeper if it is the same size as the Win XR (#6) and moving slower ?
Quote from: Oconeeguy on March 05, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
why would HV-13 penetrate deeper if it is the same size as the Win XR (#6) and moving slower ?
It doesn't..... These guys just think it does because they're blinded by numbers which has made it impossible for them to think clearly. I believe that the H13's perform inconsistently from shell to shell even within the same lot number. Wait until more hunters start experiencing disappointing performance while hunting in the field. Breaking the skin, noggin or spine of a bird is much more difficult then breaking paper. Not saying that the H13 #7 can't kill cuz it can but I'm saying that there is some inconsistent performers packed in with the rest of the shells. Kinda like playin Russian Roullette while hunting.
Quote from: bird on March 04, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
Wrong Brad..... As you know I am getting 299 in 10 with my 870SM and H13 #7's. But I dumped the H13 and switched to the Winchester HD's for one main reason. I want a shell that hits like a Mack truck and I want a shell that I feel confident that will "consistently" hit like that Mack truck. Although the H13 may put up bigger numbers it isn't capable of the energy of the Win HD and isn't a "consistant" performer like that as the Win HD's otherwise why would you guys always need to be searching for lot #'s on those H13's.
I'll take fewer pellets in 10 for a Consistant Hard Hitter any day of the week over the H13.
Your blinded by numbers on paper. You guys are Drunk on the H13 Koolaid!!!
bird
My thoughts exactly!! I have been looking at all these posts about lot numbers and guys freaking out about them. I just have to laugh. If it gets to where I don't want to or can't load TSS I'm going to shoot lead. Then I won't be tempted to get caught up in this lot number stuff.
I just sold all my h13 7s. Got sick of lot #s and #of hits in a 10" circle. To answer your question about lead, they will pattern denser. If you FULLY intend to make SURE your bird is in range before you drop a hammer, save your money and shoot the lead.
Here is the thing about the numbers game. If you are shooting the 3" 2 oz Hevi 13 6s or 7s it will out patterm the Winchester Extended range #6 numbers wise. If you pick up one of the other two 3" loads that Hevi 13 makes over Winchester you will be very disappointed.
Im a Winchester fan, for the same reasons as listed above.
I thought about shooting the winchester extended range shells, I think they are a good shell, But I am currently have been shooting h13 3.5 inch 7's for several years.. really haven't had that much of a problem of them changing pattern density, killed my bird last year at 43 yards stone dead and he didn't even flop, say what you want but I think I will shoot them alot longer...
Bird-- For once I agree with everything you have said! ;D
I shot Hevi last year and killed several turkeys, but they just don't have the THUMP as the Win ER!! :z-guntootsmiley:
They will be jumping off the train soon enough! :TrainWreck1:
I am one of those that are going back to the extended range, numbers may not be as high but when you shoot the gobbled is absolutely crushed .... With hevi 13 #7 I have to get up and run out to put my foot on the neck... With extended there is no need
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 04, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
Will,
To be honest, I doubt you will get better numbers with the Xtended Range than what you are currently getting with your Hevi-Shot loads. Now that's not saying it can't happen, but most guys that used to shoot Win Xtended Range shells and have made the switch to Hevi-Shot especially those that are shooting the 7's aren't looking back or planning to go back to the Xtended Range shells. anytime soon.
I know I'm not planning on switching back to XR.
Quote from: bird on March 04, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
I want a shell that hits like a Mack truck and I want a shell that I feel confident that will "consistently" hit like that Mack truck.
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Quote from: Oconeeguy on March 05, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
why would HV-13 penetrate deeper if it is the same size as the Win XR (#6) and moving slower ?
Sorry my thought behind this was H13 is SUPPOSED to be more dense. I thought that would make up for the FPS difference.
Quote from: bird on March 05, 2012, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: Oconeeguy on March 05, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
why would HV-13 penetrate deeper if it is the same size as the Win XR (#6) and moving slower ?
It doesn't..... These guys just think it does because they're blinded by numbers which has made it impossible for them to think clearly. I believe that the H13's perform inconsistently from shell to shell even within the same lot number. Wait until more hunters start experiencing disappointing performance while hunting in the field. Breaking the skin, noggin or spine of a bird is much more difficult then breaking paper. Not saying that the H13 #7 can't kill cuz it can but I'm saying that there is some inconsistent performers packed in with the rest of the shells. Kinda like playin Russian Roullette while hunting.
Has anyone noticed the incosistency with the H13 #6 loads? Seems like most was coming from the #7s. I would assume the answer is yes becuase of the wad change unless for some reason only the wad was changed in the #7s.
Quote from: 2much2loud on March 05, 2012, 09:20:59 AM
I am one of those that are going back to the extended range, numbers may not be as high but when you shoot the gobbled is absolutely crushed .... With hevi 13 #7 I have to get up and run out to put my foot on the neck... With extended there is no need
How far are you shooting those #7's?
Quote from: stinkpickle on March 05, 2012, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: 2much2loud on March 05, 2012, 09:20:59 AM
I am one of those that are going back to the extended range, numbers may not be as high but when you shoot the gobbled is absolutely crushed .... With hevi 13 #7 I have to get up and run out to put my foot on the neck... With extended there is no need
How far are you shooting those #7's?
:TrainWreck1:
How far are you shooting those #7's?
Shot 4 gobblers with them from 25-35 yds put up excellent numbers but just don't trust the penetration. I have also had pellets not penetrate the cardboard at forty yds not trying to start anything just sticking with the winchesters
I have in the past used the Win's in a #6 but after some testing with the guy that made my choke this year the Hevi's in a #7 pattern much more evenly out of my 11-87. How yhey'll perform on game, I suppose is yet to be seen, but I'm not really concerned that it will not be fine.
Al,
I can assure you I'm not blinded by anything other than what I know for a fact works for me. You like anyone else on here can use what you want. It's your choice. But please don't put down those that choose to use a load that they have 100% confidence in. I use 7's because I have seen the devastation they cause. And anyone on here that tries to say that 7's don't cut the mustard on a turkey at 40yds is doing nothing but misleading folks. I choose pattern density over the heavier 6 shot anyday. And I also know that 7's will in fact blow plum thru the head and neck of a gobbler at 40yds and then some. I don't need anymore than that. I have 100% confidence in the Hevi-13 #7 loads. I have seen the light. And again I was one of the biggest skeptics at first. So please stop putting them down. No need to convince folks that they won't work. Let them see it for themself please. I think that is only fair. I don't put down your loads or anyone that shoots something that I don't shoot. Choice is good.
Everyone who buys the Hevi's should see for themselves what they will or will not do. Shoot them at 40 yards and pay attention to everything you see. Look at the fantastic pattern. Then look at the penetration. Look at the size of the all the holes in the paper (some are very small). Judge for yourself for sure. When you do get a chance to shoot a bird, look at that penetration also. Some of us have very differing results.
The main question I have is will the Extended Range Winchesters shoot a denser pattern than the lead Winchesters? I have several chokes that shoot Winchester Supremes very nicely but was hoping the HD's would thicken up the pattern.
Quote from: WiLL B on March 05, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
The main question I have is will the Extended Range Winchesters shoot a denser pattern than the lead Winchesters? I have several chokes that shoot Winchester Supremes very nicely but was hoping the HD's would thicken up the pattern.
Yes
Quote from: WiLL B on March 05, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
The main question I have is will the Extended Range Winchesters shoot a denser pattern than the lead Winchesters? I have several chokes that shoot Winchester Supremes very nicely but was hoping the HD's would thicken up the pattern.
Yes!
Yes they will. Winchester advertises a 25% increase. When I was using them in my 1300 that is close to what I experienced.
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Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 05, 2012, 05:44:34 PM
Al,
I can assure you I'm not blinded by anything other than what I know for a fact works for me. You like anyone else on here can use what you want. It's your choice. But please don't put down those that choose to use a load that they have 100% confidence in. I use 7's because I have seen the devastation they cause. And anyone on here that tries to say that 7's don't cut the mustard on a turkey at 40yds is doing nothing but misleading folks. I choose pattern density over the heavier 6 shot anyday. And I also know that 7's will in fact blow plum thru the head and neck of a gobbler at 40yds and then some. I don't need anymore than that. I have 100% confidence in the Hevi-13 #7 loads. I have seen the light. And again I was one of the biggest skeptics at first. So please stop putting them down. No need to convince folks that they won't work. Let them see it for themself please. I think that is only fair. I don't put down your loads or anyone that shoots something that I don't shoot. Choice is good.
He is not the one on here speaking for others like you are in your post below.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on March 04, 2012, 11:26:38 PM
Will,
To be honest, I doubt you will get better numbers with the Xtended Range than what you are currently getting with your Hevi-Shot loads. Now that's not saying it can't happen, but most guys that used to shoot Win Xtended Range shells and have made the switch to Hevi-Shot especially those that are shooting the 7's aren't looking back or planning to go back to the Xtended Range shells. anytime soon.
Well I'm not downgrading a particular load or shot. What I said is what most people have said that have shot both. I have no desire to even try them. But I do know they are a very good load. I'm not knocking them one bit. Like I said shoot what you wish. If you got 100% confidence in your load, who am I to tell you they suck and that your blind for shooting what you shoot. That just ain't what these forums here are about at least I don't think they should be.
Quote from: WiLL B on March 05, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
The main question I have is will the Extended Range Winchesters shoot a denser pattern than the lead Winchesters? I have several chokes that shoot Winchester Supremes very nicely but was hoping the HD's would thicken up the pattern.
Yes
Thanks guys! I have enough heavy shot to last this season but I think I should try the Win Extended Range. Like I said I have some chokes that really shot the Winchester lead shells really nicely before I went Heavy Shot crazy.
I went from shooting 101 @ 40 yds to 179 @ 40 going from HV 6's to XRHD 6's in my 870 SM.
That's an improvement of 56%!
Quote from: bird on March 04, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
Wrong Brad..... As you know I am getting 299 in 10 with my 870SM and H13 #7's. But I dumped the H13 and switched to the Winchester HD's for one main reason. I want a shell that hits like a Mack truck and I want a shell that I feel confident that will "consistently" hit like that Mack truck. Although the H13 may put up bigger numbers it isn't capable of the energy of the Win HD and isn't a "consistant" performer like that as the Win HD's otherwise why would you guys always need to be searching for lot #'s on those H13's.
I'll take fewer pellets in 10 for a Consistant Hard Hitter any day of the week over the H13.
lol
agreed
Your blinded by numbers on paper. You guys are Drunk on the H13 Koolaid!!!
bird
Quote from: FttFttVroom! on March 05, 2012, 10:22:58 PM
I went from shooting 101 @ 40 yds to 179 @ 40 going from HV 6's to XRHD 6's in my 870 SM.
That's an improvement of 56%!
Now that's the kind of news that makes me want to try them !!
i shot the XR for a few years with pretty good results and killed a few birds with them, i switched to Hevi 2 years ago just do to the increase in pattern i got. I was only getting 120 at 40yds with the XR 6 shot but was getting 165 with the hevi 6 and 245 with the hevi 7's
was a no brainer to switch to it. I did like the XR though and it is a very good shell for killing birds.
However if you think XR are not going to have the same "lot # issues" that hevi has then you are kidding yourself. Anything produced in mass quantities will have these issues period.
Now to answer the original question...............Yes