Sunday hunting push hits dead end in House subcommittee ! :'(
RICHMOND VA. — A push to lift Virginia's ban on Sunday hunting ran out of steam late today even before a House of Delegates subcommittee held a hearing on the legislation.
http://blogs.roanoke.com/politics/2012/02/01/sunday-hunting-push-hits-dead-end-in-house-subcommittee/
I found two things intersting about that article. First the fact that an insurance company is opposed to more hunting. Insurance companies are usually the ones pushing for more liberal seasons. If they had their way in KY we would deer hunt year round with rifles. Fewer deer=fewer deer/car collisions thus less pay out. Another thing I found interesting was the statement that no one wanted Sunday hunting. Who exactly are these people? I think a more accurate statement should be the preachers don't want sunday hunting. The article didn't specifically say this but when a representative is stating that Sundays should be for rest and worship and not hunting you can get a pretty good idea of who's interests he's looking out for. I just don't get it. I go to church on Sunday and it's nice to get to spend afternoons with friends hunting. Sportsmen need to speak up at the ballot box. No Hunting, no vote.
I am not surprised .. I expected it to get killed in the Sub-Committee .. The hunting community is just not as organized and well funded as the opposition in VA at this point.. Sad but true..
I'm not going to get into a religious discussion, that, in my opinion, is for individuals to decide for themselves anyway, but bans on Sunday hunting are simply archaic laws that don't have much relevance in today's world, in my opinion. Here in Missouri, we used to have so-called "blue laws", which meant you couldn't buy certain things on Sunday's. Some of them were just plain stupid, similar to other old laws you occasionally hear about being on the books from 100+ years ago. They were largely unenforced, but occasionally some religious zealot would throw a hissy about this or that. Finally, about 20 years ago, they were all repealed.
Banning Sunday hunting is simply another example of the few forcing their views on the many. I'm guessing that if an honest poll were taken in VA, the majority of the populace would either be for Sunday hunting, or not give a rip one way or the other. What I don't quite understand is the idea that church and government should remain separate, and, obviously, this is a religious issue. The law also assumes that everyone observes the sabbath on Sunday, which isn't true.
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THIS LAW S*CKS !!! I'LL JUST SLEEP IN ON SUNDAYS NOW :morning:
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no hunting on sunday, no church on wednesday. an eye for a eye
It is absolutely ridiculous!!
I am a Christian, and will not miss church to hunt, but I will not tell anyone else that they can't hunt on Sunday. I am not the Lord and am not going to make that decision for someone else.
Would I hunt before and after church, yes I will. God made this earth and put animals on it for us to use.
If you don't think it is right to hunt on Sunday, then don't hunt, but don't tell me I can't b/c of your beliefs.
It is just like smoking. Just cause you choose to smoke, doesn't mean I do, or that you should be able to make me inhale your second hand smoke.
Sugar Ray and Zach20065 .. are you guys lucky enough to live in one of the WV counties that allow it on Sundays on Private Land?
Cause my county that I hunt in WV doesn't .. they did for one year back in 2001 I believe it was then took it away the next year ..
Quote from: sugarray on February 02, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
It is absolutely ridiculous!!
I am a Christian, and will not miss church to hunt, but I will not tell anyone else that they can't hunt on Sunday. I am not the Lord and am not going to make that decision for someone else.
Would I hunt before and after church, yes I will. God made this earth and put animals on it for us to use.
If you don't think it is right to hunt on Sunday, then don't hunt, but don't tell me I can't b/c of your beliefs.
It is just like smoking. Just cause you choose to smoke, doesn't mean I do, or that you should be able to make me inhale your second hand smoke.
NO HUNTING ON SUNDAY IS flat out Anti hunting aroma period..Noise you say? Whats louder? My bow or a bass boat? No hunting? then no fishing... nothing against folks that do that but whats the difference?... maybe that people cant walk on water? Boating accidents far exceed hunting accidents... madder than a hornet.. I wish the best for Pennsylvania. I hear they are fighting the same ban as VA
Quote from: Kylongspur88 on February 02, 2012, 09:05:44 AM
I found two things intersting about that article. First the fact that an insurance company is opposed to more hunting. Insurance companies are usually the ones pushing for more liberal seasons. If they had their way in KY we would deer hunt year round with rifles. Fewer deer=fewer deer/car collisions thus less pay out. Another thing I found interesting was the statement that no one wanted Sunday hunting. Who exactly are these people? I think a more accurate statement should be the preachers don't want sunday hunting. The article didn't specifically say this but when a representative is stating that Sundays should be for rest and worship and not hunting you can get a pretty good idea of who's interests he's looking out for. I just don't get it. I go to church on Sunday and it's nice to get to spend afternoons with friends hunting. Sportsmen need to speak up at the ballot box. No Hunting, no vote.
If I lived in Virginia and knew that the above was fact I would still worship on Sunday but the preacher would know why the collection plate never slowed down as it was passed!
My Grandpa would not let us hunt the farm on Sunday and we respected his wishes and hunted elsewhere but I do not agree with it being a state law.
I know a great way to protest.....
Quote from: Neill_Prater on February 02, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
I'm not going to get into a religious discussion, that, in my opinion, is for individuals to decide for themselves anyway, but bans on Sunday hunting are simply archaic laws that don't have much relevance in today's world, in my opinion. Here in Missouri, we used to have so-called "blue laws", which meant you couldn't buy certain things on Sunday's. Some of them were just plain stupid, similar to other old laws you occasionally hear about being on the books from 100+ years ago. They were largely unenforced, but occasionally some religious zealot would throw a hissy about this or that. Finally, about 20 years ago, they were all repealed.
Banning Sunday hunting is simply another example of the few forcing their views on the many. I'm guessing that if an honest poll were taken in VA, the majority of the populace would either be for Sunday hunting, or not give a rip one way or the other. What I don't quite understand is the idea that church and government should remain separate, and, obviously, this is a religious issue. The law also assumes that everyone observes the sabbath on Sunday, which isn't true.
Agreed
Quote from: gobbler74 on February 02, 2012, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on February 02, 2012, 03:15:10 PM
I know a great way to protest.....
I will bring coffee.
You better do that, these protests will involve getting up pretty early...
one of my dads best hunting buddies is a Pastor in NY state where Sudnay hunting is legal.. he hunts almost every sunday before church, says it gives him some peaceful time outdoors to reflect on what his sermon will be about..
cant believe PA and VA dont have sunday hunting yet, they force religion out of everything except for when it benifits the librals and anti most of which dont even believe in God they just want a way to ban hunting
No hunting in NC on Sunday except archery on private land only. I am originally from FL and have plenty of land down there to hunt Sundays, just kinda far away. This No Sunday hunting is crazy, especially when we are workin Saturdays. Then that is the government telling me I am not allowed to hunt
Quote from: wvboy on February 02, 2012, 01:14:09 PM
Sugar Ray and Zach20065 .. are you guys lucky enough to live in one of the WV counties that allow it on Sundays on Private Land?
Cause my county that I hunt in WV doesn't .. they did for one year back in 2001 I believe it was then took it away the next year ..
I live in Upshur Co and hunt in Webster mainly, so no, not that lucky. I loved that short period before the election that voted it down. I was still in school then and only had 1 day a week to hunt, that was if I wasn't studying. Should be back on the ballot this year.
sorry to hear of the vote,here in pa the biggest anti sunday hunting supporter is the pa. farm bureau.not sure if i was a farmer that i would not want someone killing the mammals that are eating my crops,with permission.
Well that stinks.
Here in NC the insurance companies beg for more deer to be taken, and they were a big part in getting some amount of Sunday hunting passed in......yet in Va. they don't...very odd....
Quote from: sugarray on February 02, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
It is absolutely ridiculous!!
I am a Christian, and will not miss church to hunt, but I will not tell anyone else that they can't hunt on Sunday. I am not the Lord and am not going to make that decision for someone else.
Would I hunt before and after church, yes I will. God made this earth and put animals on it for us to use.
If you don't think it is right to hunt on Sunday, then don't hunt, but don't tell me I can't b/c of your beliefs.
It is just like smoking. Just cause you choose to smoke, doesn't mean I do, or that you should be able to make me inhale your second hand smoke.
That's exactly how i feel
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Quote from: Neill_Prater on February 02, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
I'm not going to get into a religious discussion, that, in my opinion, is for individuals to decide for themselves anyway,
Here's my 2 cents.
It's for individuals to decide when they can hunt -- but only within the legal parameters the state allows. If the people of VA say I can't hunt past noon, then I have no right to hunt past noon. If VA says I can't hunt turkeys till the 2nd Sat in April, then I have no right to hunt turkeys till the 2nd Sat in April.
Each state has every right to set their season dates and times however and whenever they see fit. And we have no right to hunt in their state at any other times and dates than they allow us to.
Hunting is a priviledge, not a right..
Actually, hunting is a constitutional right in the state of Virginia and this policy clearly violates the separation of church and state.
We have many frivolous and unsubstantiated laws within the system but one that defies freedoms established within the national bill of rights and the state's constitutional amendments should not be dismissed as insignificant or even tolerable.
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Quote from: Neill_Prater on February 02, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
I'm not going to get into a religious discussion, that, in my opinion, is for individuals to decide for themselves anyway,
Here's my 2 cents.
It's for individuals to decide when they can hunt -- but only within the legal parameters the state allows. If the people of VA say I can't hunt past noon, then I have no right to hunt past noon. If VA says I can't hunt turkeys till the 2nd Sat in April, then I have no right to hunt turkeys till the 2nd Sat in April.
Each state has every right to set their season dates and times however and whenever they see fit. And we have no right to hunt in their state at any other times and dates than they allow us to.
Hunting is a priviledge, not a right..
Everything that you mention above is set by the VDGIF in Va, not the legislators. They defer to the State Game agency to set limits, seasons, hunting hours etc. Yet this old Blue Law prohibits the VDGIF from allowing hunting on Sundays, even though the VDGIF came out this past year in support of it for the first time ever. They always stayed neutral before. There hands are tied to allow Sunday hunting because of this old Blue law that prohibits it.
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I would not live in a state that prevented me from hunting any day of the week. That law is stupid, and serves no legitimate purpose.
Luckily I live in a state that allows it but I'd be ticked off if I had that law to deal with too. It's about as bad as some states putting an age limit on children hunting. Give me the dates I can hunt, tell me how much the license is and how many I can kill. After that........BACK OFF!
Definitely the farm bureau that is the strongest opponent of Sunday hunting here in PA. I don't understand their problem with it. If farmers don't want hunters on their property on Sunday, then they could make that decision. There is millions of acres of public forest (state and federal) land here in PA.
One thing that no sunday hunting provides for me is a happier marriage. I am sure that the wife is with the farm bureau on this one.
I sure hope PA adopts Sunday hunting. Good luck down there in VA.
Dog hunters are the biggest opposition to getting the ban lifted.
Im from Pa and am still waiting on the outcome. High hopes it is in our favor but I unfortunately have my doubts. Keeping the fingers crossed though!!!