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Has anyone tried Dave Owens pot calls (Pinhoti)? Some great looking calls and I'm sure he's top notch on his work and doesn't just put out a call that doesn't sound great.

Absolutely not. And never will

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 02, 2024, 07:08:24 AM
Absolutely not. And never will

Why is that?

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 02, 2024, 07:08:24 AM
Absolutely not. And never will

:popcorn:  :TooFunny:

Quote from: slave601 on February 02, 2024, 06:26:47 AM
Has anyone tried Dave Owens pot calls (Pinhoti)? Some great looking calls and I'm sure he's top notch on his work and doesn't just put out a call that doesn't sound great.

Im dont think hes actually turning these calls.  Could be wrong.  Similarly, hes not making the choke tubes.

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 02, 2024, 07:08:24 AM
Absolutely not. And never will

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 02, 2024, 07:08:24 AM
Absolutely not. And never will

:popcorn:  :TooFunny:

Ya'll be sure to hit that like and subscribe button. Gas aint getting any cheaper.

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I don't think the maker of those calls was ever outright identified, just whose name is signed on all of them.

Just watch out for gimmicks ....  :TooFunny:

 :popcorn:

Looks similar to a Jimmy Shaffer pot. If it is, it's a killer call. Jim makes great pots, I think Dave used one of his early on.....

Quote from: Tom007 on February 02, 2024, 10:25:26 AM
Looks similar to a Jimmy Shaffer pot. If it is, it's a killer call. Jim makes great pots, I think Dave used one of his early on.....

It's not, but what a lot of people thought. 

Quote from: slave601 on February 02, 2024, 07:17:49 AM

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 02, 2024, 07:08:24 AM
Absolutely not. And never will

Why is that?

Because he has helped cause the influx of turkey hunters, which causes a decrease in turkey population. I'm surprised he hasn't posted a video in the woods taking a poop...he's posted everything else and now has a huge following of groupies... Grown men groupies at that.

I kinda figured that was why. I somewhat agree. The labeling of public land and such has everyone flooding public ground when it was just a few of us hunting the same blocks of land for years. Fun to watch but the fire it sparked in so many definitely hurts. I figure before long Dave would probably just do away with the videos. I do like the looks of the calls though

Lots of better choices out there!

Pretty sure it was confirmed harmony game calls made the calls.

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 02, 2024, 07:08:24 AM
Absolutely not. And never will

Quote from: bowbird87 on February 02, 2024, 11:58:39 AM
Pretty sure it was confirmed harmony game calls made the calls.

Who? 

They made the TFT pots!
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Still, WHO is the maker? 

I have noticed that a lot times when a product's provenance is kept quiet it's because it's manufactured in China or some other undesirable location.

Quote from: Ranger on February 02, 2024, 02:02:33 PM
Still, WHO is the maker?

My guess is who ever owns harmony game callls! Message him and find out.

I'd throw rocks at them before I used anything Dave Owens made a dime off of.

Good times.   People on social media complaining that social media is ruining turkey hunting. 

I got one of his first run limited series. I thought Dave was a good dude and I liked the look of the call. It does sound good, maybe has a touch higher pitch than I care for.


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Quote from: slave601 on February 02, 2024, 11:44:05 AM
I figure before long Dave would probably just do away with the videos.

One of the most arrogant and narcissistic turkey hunters alive, to quit making videos? And have to get a REAL job?  :TooFunny:

Sad things is he could slap $500 on a "limited run" pot call and folks would still camp out for it overnight like they did the Fox vests.

Much wiser pot call options out there rather than supporting someone who has cost us loss of public land turkey hunting opportunities.

Dangit man ! I reckon I wasted my money on these pinhoti signed underwear?

Howie did you get the limited edition one that came with a skid mark!

Quote from: 3bailey3 on February 02, 2024, 08:03:29 PM
Howie did you get the limited edition one that came with a skid mark!

Heck yes , I got the custom deluxe with double skids !

I haven't tried one. For the cost you could probably get 2-3 calls from Buster or another maker.


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Quote from: CALLM2U on February 02, 2024, 04:24:49 PM
Good times.   People on social media complaining that social media is ruining turkey hunting.

A guy posting on a hunting forum who rarely does is a little bit different than the dozens of detrimental videos he puts out every year. For the world to see.   But hey, Dave got his, so that's all that matters. 

Quote from: aclawrence on February 02, 2024, 08:40:22 PM
I haven't tried one. For the cost you could probably get 2-3 calls from Buster or another maker.


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I have not opinion on Dave either way and am not stirring the pot, but this is good advice, as you can get one or two from Buster, Schaffer or a few more makers out there for less money and kill just as many if not more turkeys.

Second the Buster shout out, love the ones I have.

Or Halloran, lots of other out there.

Quote from: CALLM2U on February 02, 2024, 04:24:49 PM
Good times.   People on social media complaining that social media is ruining turkey hunting.

I think there's a pretty clear distinction between the two. 

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Quote from: CALLM2U on February 02, 2024, 04:24:49 PM
Good times.   People on social media complaining that social media is ruining turkey hunting.

I think there's a pretty clear distinction between the two.

Correct, one is a website with all things turkey, hunt strategies, choke recommendations, locator call info, call making info, info on WMAs/outfitters, even a place to link you-tube hunting videos.  Anything and everything you need to learn how to become a better turkey hunter (which admittedly is why the site is so popular and well done) 

The other is videos of guys hunting. 

I would agree there is a big distinction in which one is much more valuable to both new and old turkey hunters alike.-which is why you and many of us are here. 

lol folks are really mad at a guy for growing the sport of turkey hunting?  Or better yet mad at him because people are now hunting "their" public land.  Geesh I've seen it all now.

What some don't understand is that its much deeper than a bunch of videos and promoting the sport. The truth is that Cove or Dave or whatever the fans call him has actually sold out and traded GA and ALA spots to out of state hunters, "traded" those spots to out of state hunters for his own opportunities in other states. So now places that were somewhat .moderate as far as activity have seen exponential growth in numbers, and its not a coincidence. So if you're a fan and wondering why he's made so many salty, he sold out their spots to hunt in other states. Pins for pins, its a thing, and as the super slammer group gets bigger the pins keep getting shared. And to those that know, they get to watch the fans pay for his travels now.

Did you read that on the internet or is that another youtube video ?

Hahaha. You can talk to Dupree and some others from  North GA that used to run into him all the time in the Natl Forest. Now they just run into people he traded pins with or got it through the network of those that have. Its real partner. But of course if you buy Pinhoti gear and stickers or ambiguous made calls with his name on them you don't want to hear the truth about your hero

I saw first hand what that bunch did to Alabama.  Then they spread it around all of the country and wrecked public turkey hunting.  Loose lips sink ships. No we have non resident draws. Later start dates on public. More expensive tags. Lower limits. Etc Local hunters and long time hunters lost it so a few could make a few pennies pimping what was never theirs to begin with.

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 12:28:26 PM
I saw first hand what that bunch did to Alabama.  Then they spread it around all of the country and wrecked public turkey hunting.  Loose lips sink ships. No we have non resident draws. Later start dates on public. More expensive tags. Lower limits. Etc Local hunters and long time hunters lost it so a few could make a few pennies pimping what was never theirs to begin with.

So you don't like that more people are enjoying the sport that you love so much.   Got it.  :icon_thumright:

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 12:28:26 PM
I saw first hand what that bunch did to Alabama.  Then they spread it around all of the country and wrecked public turkey hunting.  Loose lips sink ships. No we have non resident draws. Later start dates on public. More expensive tags. Lower limits. Etc Local hunters and long time hunters lost it so a few could make a few pennies pimping what was never theirs to begin with.

So you don't like that more people are enjoying the sport that you love so much.   Got it.  :icon_thumright:

What is one benefit to ANYONE besides those making money from more people hunting?

The thing I do not agree with is their receiving tax dollars for pimping out Certain states/Management areas. I don't care if it's $100. Put that money into habitat, natural resources. Not in some Chumps pocket.
Invite him to YOUR place to make his videos and let's see how that works out for YOU and your neighbors.
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Quote from: runngun on February 03, 2024, 01:03:09 PM
The thing I do not agree with is their receiving tax dollars for pimping out Certain states/Management areas. I don't care if it's $100. Put that money into habitat, natural resources. Not in some Chumps pocket.
Invite him to YOUR place to make his videos and let's see how that works out for YOU and your neighbors.
Defend away

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I agree, I know this horse has been beat to death but promoting something while simultaneously decreasing the opportunity for what you're promoting is ridiculous.


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This post is hysterical, all the guy asked is what people think of his calls

Being as the topic has shifted however, and that it hits home for me, ill add my two cents, without crap talking the Pinhoti guy that Slave was inquiring about. Especially when I've never even shook the guys hand and spent more than an hour over coffee with him.

Everyone here thinks turkey hunter increase and promotion is a bad thing? Come visit our public land in Canada. Come visit a place where there is little to no turkey hunting following, and government owned land is acquired just to rot. The most beautifully managed land ive ever seen is in the United States. For heavens sake, our government is trying to take our guns, as we speak! You think power in numbers is negative? If theres only 1 turkey left in my country, ill still go after him and enjoy the spring woods as though there were thousands. Besides, who gives a rats ars about what so-and-so does. If somebody sells pins for $ (which i think youre a crazy turkey conspiracy theorist to ACTUALLY believe) whats that to me? So long as i get to keep turkey hunting, and keep my Papas model 12. Pffffft, people sour that they gotta share God's creation with others. Wake up, and enjoy what you still have.

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Quote from: Ranger on February 03, 2024, 10:09:48 AM
What some don't understand is that its much deeper than a bunch of videos and promoting the sport. The truth is that Cove or Dave or whatever the fans call him has actually sold out and traded GA and ALA spots to out of state hunters, "traded" those spots to out of state hunters for his own opportunities in other states. So now places that were somewhat .moderate as far as activity have seen exponential growth in numbers, and its not a coincidence. So if you're a fan and wondering why he's made so many salty, he sold out their spots to hunt in other states. Pins for pins, its a thing, and as the super slammer group gets bigger the pins keep getting shared. And to those that know, they get to watch the fans pay for his travels now.

I bet 3/4 of the people on this forum would do the exact same thing if they were in his position. It's part of the game. You can pull up to most check stations in Georgia and ask the tech where they heard gobbling and they will point it out on a map. Killing them is still the hard part.

You are actually incorrect in your assumption Canadian.  I grew up in a strong turkey hunting community. It's engrained in many of us. Turkey hunters have always been secretive by nature.....telling others your spots etc is a huge no no for turkey hunters. We love the game. We love the bird. We love the calls. We are constantly learning and honing our craft. The game is between us and the gobbler. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You enjoy it for what it is and are happy to have played. And that in itself is enough for a turkey hunter


Then you have a group hell bent on killing turkeys. Dressing in fancy matching outfits. Staging the perfect kill pictures. Running to post for likes and verification from strange men. Those chasing 49 on man made state lines rushing to kill one and go. Those filming on public lands FOR PROFIT.  Sensationalizing the killing of turkeys adding more picture seeking killers to the ranks. Crowding turkey hunters and decreasing opportunities through regulation. All the while the FOR PROFIT killers are trying to cash in on the new picture seekers and slam chasers.  The big dogs jump in...MOSSY OAK ETC because there is money to be made off this phenomenon and here we are.

But in the end.....Who in the hell actually cares about turkeys?  Guess you can make up your own mind.
 

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 04:10:41 PM
You are actually incorrect in your assumption Canadian.  I grew up in a strong turkey hunting community. It's engrained in many of us. Turkey hunters have always been secretive by nature.....telling others your spots etc is a huge no no for turkey hunters. We love the game. We love the bird. We love the calls. We are constantly learning and honing our craft. The game is between us and the gobbler. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You enjoy it for what it is and are happy to have played. And that in itself is enough for a turkey hunter


Then you have a group hell bent on killing turkeys. Dressing in fancy matching outfits. Staging the perfect kill pictures. Running to post for likes and verification from strange men. Those chasing 49 on man made state lines rushing to kill one and go. Those filming on public lands FOR PROFIT.  Sensationalizing the killing of turkeys adding more picture seeking killers to the ranks. Crowding turkey hunters and decreasing opportunities through regulation. All the while the FOR PROFIT killers are trying to cash in on the new picture seekers and slam chasers.  The big dogs jump in...MOSSY OAK ETC because there is money to be made off this phenomenon and here we are.

But in the end.....Who in the hell actually cares about turkeys?  Guess you can make up your own mind.

Yeah, i actually 100% agree with you... im more so disagreeing in on the concept that growth in the sport is a negative thing. I view it as positive. Now, do i agree with EVERYTHING that social media portrays? Not at all. The point i was trying to get across when i said "even if only 1 turkey in my country exists, ill still hunt as though there were a thousand", is that for me, its not all about the kill, its the hunt and love for the turkey. And what others do, will not deter me from what i love to do.

Again, i was more so trying to hone in on the fact that growth is not ALL that bad, and i actually believe that the good outweighs the bad. Why do i say that? Because ive experienced the opposite. My 'current' government wants to take my Papas guns from me, and strip my rights to hunt, and the voice of our outdoorsmen are not much more than a whisper. When i go to the US, im always envious of how many like minded outdoorsmen there are.

I will say this though: maybe im naive and dont understand how you guys feel as Americans who grew up in a rich turkey hunting culture? I also maybe didnt illustrate my point very clearly and graciously in my first post, and maybe i should delete it for fear of miscommunicating my point?

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 04:10:41 PM
You are actually incorrect in your assumption Canadian.  I grew up in a strong turkey hunting community. It's engrained in many of us. Turkey hunters have always been secretive by nature.....telling others your spots etc is a huge no no for turkey hunters. We love the game. We love the bird. We love the calls. We are constantly learning and honing our craft. The game is between us and the gobbler. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You enjoy it for what it is and are happy to have played. And that in itself is enough for a turkey hunter


Then you have a group hell bent on killing turkeys. Dressing in fancy matching outfits. Staging the perfect kill pictures. Running to post for likes and verification from strange men. Those chasing 49 on man made state lines rushing to kill one and go. Those filming on public lands FOR PROFIT.  Sensationalizing the killing of turkeys adding more picture seeking killers to the ranks. Crowding turkey hunters and decreasing opportunities through regulation. All the while the FOR PROFIT killers are trying to cash in on the new picture seekers and slam chasers.  The big dogs jump in...MOSSY OAK ETC because there is money to be made off this phenomenon and here we are.

But in the end.....Who in the hell actually cares about turkeys?  Guess you can make up your own mind.

I actually went back and picked through my original comment. If you read through it again, i dont think either of our posts are contradictory of one another. So what do you mean by me being incorrect in my assumption? What am i incorrect about? I never glorified the things you spoke negatively about (pictures, killing, blood, glory, etc). I actually agree with everything you said about that. Trust me, im not ill intentioned here.

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 12:28:26 PM
I saw first hand what that bunch did to Alabama.  Then they spread it around all of the country and wrecked public turkey hunting.  Loose lips sink ships. No we have non resident draws. Later start dates on public. More expensive tags. Lower limits. Etc Local hunters and long time hunters lost it so a few could make a few pennies pimping what was never theirs to begin with.

So you don't like that more people are enjoying the sport that you love so much.   Got it.  :icon_thumright:

What is one benefit to ANYONE besides those making money from more people hunting?

Surely this is just worded poorly because the answer is obvious....  Without people continuing to engage in the sport, it will die out. 

The average US hunter's age is over 50 right now.  Hunters 15-26 have decreased by over 50% in the last 2 decades.   

I'm done engaging in these conversations; the anti-turkey hunting growth community is just extremely selfish and want to go back to the 'good-ol-days' when they had land to themselves.   There is no changing their minds. They don't care about future generations. 

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 12:28:26 PM
I saw first hand what that bunch did to Alabama.  Then they spread it around all of the country and wrecked public turkey hunting.  Loose lips sink ships. No we have non resident draws. Later start dates on public. More expensive tags. Lower limits. Etc Local hunters and long time hunters lost it so a few could make a few pennies pimping what was never theirs to begin with.

So you don't like that more people are enjoying the sport that you love so much.   Got it.  :icon_thumright:

What is one benefit to ANYONE besides those making money from more people hunting?

Surely this is just worded poorly because the answer is obvious....  Without people continuing to engage in the sport, it will die out. 

The average US hunter's age is over 50 right now.  Hunters 15-26 have decreased by over 50% in the last 2 decades.   

I'm done engaging in these conversations; the anti-turkey hunting growth community is just extremely selfish and want to go back to the 'good-ol-days' when they had land to themselves.   There is no changing their minds. They don't care about future generations.

YES! THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE!

I will add this: the consequences of keeping things a secret for yourself, and not pushing growth in the sport, is irreversible. Why can i confidently say that? Look up Australia and Canada's gun buy-backs, Canadas current firearm restrictions, and Australias aswell. I have a friend that was forced, by Federal law, to hand in his firearm collection. He recieved about 1/10th of what it was worth. You Americans got it good, man. I wish there was a movement here, which i could support, that would pursuade the masses to experience the outdoors... I think growth in the sport is essential for its survival.

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Quote from: arkrem870 on February 03, 2024, 12:28:26 PM
I saw first hand what that bunch did to Alabama.  Then they spread it around all of the country and wrecked public turkey hunting.  Loose lips sink ships. No we have non resident draws. Later start dates on public. More expensive tags. Lower limits. Etc Local hunters and long time hunters lost it so a few could make a few pennies pimping what was never theirs to begin with.

So you don't like that more people are enjoying the sport that you love so much.   Got it.  :icon_thumright:

What is one benefit to ANYONE besides those making money from more people hunting?

Surely this is just worded poorly because the answer is obvious....  Without people continuing to engage in the sport, it will die out. 

The average US hunter's age is over 50 right now.  Hunters 15-26 have decreased by over 50% in the last 2 decades.   

I'm done engaging in these conversations; the anti-turkey hunting growth community is just extremely selfish and want to go back to the 'good-ol-days' when they had land to themselves.   There is no changing their minds. They don't care about future generations.

This is just dumb.  In my 2+ decades turkey hunting I have taken 7 hunters on their first hunt which they killed a turkey.  In each and every one of those cases there was no broadcasting of when, where, etc to the masses. 

The social media fan boys saying we are the selfish ones is comical. When they are literally pimping a public resource FOR PROFIT.  Absolute ridiculousness and the definition of selfish. In fact I can't think of anything more selfish than profiting and pimping wild turkeys.

opening day last season, 5 of us in camp young guy hunted close to me, I heard one gobble close to him and I had 3 or four gobble close to me. No one killed but when we got back to camp boys dad who is the club president ask what you hear and I said nothing and the kid looked at me with his mouth wide open and I smiled at him and he got it! One thing I learned early on never ask what you hear. I have known some ole men that enjoyed saying nothing but had a bird in the back of the truck. Canadian guy all I can tell you is you need to move!

Quote from: 3bailey3 on February 03, 2024, 07:28:22 PM
opening day last season, 5 of us in camp young guy hunted close to me, I heard one gobble close to him and I had 3 or four gobble close to me. No one killed but when we got back to camp boys dad who is the club president ask what you hear and I said nothing and the kid looked at me with his mouth wide open and I smiled at him and he got it! One thing I learned early on never ask what you hear. I have known some ole men that enjoyed saying nothing but had a bird in the back of the truck. Canadian guy all I can tell you is you need to move!

Hahaha, trust me, its crossed my mind many a times, and ill always be open to the idea, so long as im allowed in.

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Quote from: Canadian on February 03, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
This post is hysterical, all the guy asked is what people think of his calls

Being as the topic has shifted however, and that it hits home for me, ill add my two cents, without crap talking the Pinhoti guy that Slave was inquiring about. Especially when I've never even shook the guys hand and spent more than an hour over coffee with him.

Everyone here thinks turkey hunter increase and promotion is a bad thing? Come visit our public land in Canada. Come visit a place where there is little to no turkey hunting following, and government owned land is acquired just to rot. The most beautifully managed land ive ever seen is in the United States. For heavens sake, our government is trying to take our guns, as we speak! You think power in numbers is negative? Ridiculous. I dont see a true turkey hunter in this discussion. Just a bunch of guys that place their identity in 'success', 'results', and walking the easy road. If theres only 1 turkey left in my country, ill still go after him and enjoy the spring woods as though there were thousands. Besides, who gives a rats ars about what so-and-so does. If somebody sells pins for $ (which i think youre a crazy turkey conspiracy theorist to ACTUALLY believe) whats that to me? So long as i get to keep turkey hunting, and keep my Papas model 12. Pffffft, people sour that they gotta share God's creation with others. Wake up, and enjoy what you still have.

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Absolute truth. Technology has opened the doors to explorer more things for everyone. Whether it's hunting, fishing, camping, Diving or whatever. I've been crowded out in every thing I do. Because social media in any form exposes people to possibilities, then provides the answers they need to attempt it.

It's not just hunting it's everything.
I use to be able to go to beach when ever I wanted. Now have to be there by 9:30 or parking is gone.
Friends of mine use to meet up every February to camp and kayak fish, now all Florida state campsites fill up the night they become available. And thats 11 months out. May get one but that is it.
Look at hunting out west that's been totally screwed up.

Its not a few online shows that's driving this, it is technology. How many people use Onx or Google earth? Those have contributed way more to increase in hunters, of any sort, being in the outdoors than anything.

Everyone needs a villain or someone hate, so go ahead and hate away. But railing away at the scourge of Pinhoti or any other show won't change a thing.

As Canadian stated, enjoy what you have while you have it. Because more technology is on the horizon. Artificial Intelligence, ChatGPT, Baird are going to make it way easier for newbies or current hunters to enter and expand there hunting experience then any internet podcast.

All you folks that think people are killing "your" turkeys on public land. And want drive away turkey hunters from your public land remember fewer hunters means fewer votes and support for hunting. Everyday more and more people think hunting is inhumane and should be eliminated.

In 10 to 15 there won't be any hunting access to public land. It's happening today as we speak. But everyone should be able to get a shot with their camera, so there is that.

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opening day last season, 5 of us in camp young guy hunted close to me, I heard one gobble close to him and I had 3 or four gobble close to me. No one killed but when we got back to camp boys dad who is the club president ask what you hear and I said nothing and the kid looked at me with his mouth wide open and I smiled at him and he got it! One thing I learned early on never ask what you hear. I have known some ole men that enjoyed saying nothing but had a bird in the back of the truck. Canadian guy all I can tell you is you need to move!

Hahaha, trust me, its crossed my mind many a times, and ill always be open to the idea, so long as im allowed in.

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You'll need to fly to Mexico and walk across but it shouldn't be a problem.

You'll need to fly to Mexico and walk across but it shouldn't be a problem

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Quote from: CALLM2U on February 03, 2024, 06:23:53 PM

Surely this is just worded poorly because the answer is obvious....  Without people continuing to engage in the sport, it will die out. 

The average US hunter's age is over 50 right now.  Hunters 15-26 have decreased by over 50% in the last 2 decades.   

I'm done engaging in these conversations; the anti-turkey hunting growth community is just extremely selfish and want to go back to the 'good-ol-days' when they had land to themselves.   There is no changing their minds. They don't care about future generations.

There is no obvious answer, I'm still waiting on a legitimate one.

The data is so inconsistent I honestly don't know how you came up with those numbers. You may have seen them from an organization that makes money from recruiting new hunters, if that's the case I would have a hard time believing them.

You may have the luxury to hunt to your heart's content on private ground, but I don't and I can promise you there are plenty of people "engaged in the sport" on every public piece of ground I've been to in the past 8-10 years.

I'm I selfish? Yes sir. Am I doing everything in my power to make sure my children are able to enjoy my most powerful addiction in life and hope that they do the same some day? Absolutely.

So I may seem like a cruel person to you and others, and I couldn't care less, but I want people I know and love to experience what I love and it not be ruined by those doing the same thing mostly for profit or to impress people they don't know.

You may be done engaging in these types of conversations and honestly I'm tired of every thread on here being drifted this direction, I just wanted to end by saying that everyone on here has more in common than we have different and it's completely ok to have differing opinions. I'm sure at the end of the day, every one of us could sit down together with a few beers and have a great time. Good luck this spring!

Quote from: Canadian on February 03, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
I dont see a true turkey hunter in this discussion.

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I don't know, I heard that Zobo guy is the genuine article. Word is he once killed a triple bearded bird with notihing more than half a bag of snausages and a Frenchy-Pitbull mix. True story  :agreed:

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Quote from: Canadian on February 03, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
I dont see a true turkey hunter in this discussion.

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I don't know, I heard that Zobo guy is the genuine article. Word is he once killed a triple bearded bird with notihing more than half a bag snausages and a Frenchy-Pitbull mix. True story  :agreed:

Yeah! I hear he's a real Turkey Killa!!!! :fud:          :OGani:

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"I dont see a true turkey hunter in this discussion."

Oh Really?  How did you arrive at this conclusion?

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Quote from: Zobo on February 03, 2024, 09:40:30 PM

Quote from: Canadian on February 03, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
I dont see a true turkey hunter in this discussion.

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I don't know, I heard that Zobo guy is the genuine article. Word is he once killed a triple bearded bird with notihing more than half a bag snausages and a Frenchy-Pitbull mix. True story  :agreed:

Take note, thats only a small quote from a very long post, and context is important... However, i was definitely out of line and exaggerating when i said that. I think everybody here stated their opinion out of pure love and passion toward the Wild Turkey... Again, as someone from north of the border, i was simply stating my opinion that i believe growth in the sport is essential in its survival, being that im somebody whos experienced first hand, the irreversible effects of a dying outdoor culture. Read my posts again and youll see what i was trying to communicate. Again, i exaggerated, and am completely wrong in that statement. Ill edit that out of my post.

Ill add, i agree 100% with fdept56 , along with promoting growth in the sport. Am i a contradiction to both promote secrecy in turkey hunting, while pushing growth? I mean, maybe.

Again, i was 100% wrong, and out of line for saying that. Apologies to you all.

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Does anyone on here think they could replace the word Pinhoti with Internet? Does anyone think the internet has become a revealer of secrets? Do you think the arguments brought up in this thread only apply to turkey hunting? Can you name something that hasn't been exposed on the internet?
Asking for a friend.. and his name isn't, Dave.

I bet there were folks who got mad at Edison when he brought the light bulb out too since it was different than their lantern.

Y'all are bashing an entrepreneur who turned his hobby into a career?

Times evolve on this big rock and we better too or get left behind...ask Bill Belichick


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Quote from: Zobo on February 03, 2024, 09:40:30 PM

Quote from: Canadian on February 03, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
I dont see a true turkey hunter in this discussion.

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I don't know, I heard that Zobo guy is the genuine article. Word is he once killed a triple bearded bird with notihing more than half a bag snausages and a Frenchy-Pitbull mix. True story  :agreed:

Well done sir!

Quote from: tcook7 on February 04, 2024, 05:30:40 AM
I bet there were folks who got mad at Edison when he brought the light bulb out too since it was different than their lantern.

Y'all are bashing an entrepreneur who turned his hobby into a career?

Times evolve on this big rock and we better too or get left behind...ask Bill Belichick


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The difference between Thomas Edison and Dave, is that the light bulb had profound effects on the world. 
Pimping public land turkeys for profit doesn't exactly fall in the same category. But I suspect we both know that and the grasping at straws will continue. 

An honest question for the pro Owens/THP and the rest of the circle jerk YouTubers that followed them- did any of you see what happened to a certain wma in northeast Alabama the year after it was showcased? Did any of you see the pressure that following year and the number of increased hunters in the main campground?
Did any of you see the increased pressure from Dave blasting the northwest?
Did any of you see what happened the following year when Dave literally showed turkeys outside of a certain hotel?
Can someone explain to me how the above is beneficial to the sport of turkey hunting?

I get it man, you had to go find some new spots instead of the same ol honey holes you've been hunting, as did I. But, IMO, you're looking at this selfishly as it is an inconvenience to you.

However, the big picture says somewhere out there in social media land another fella saw that there are more opportunities than he previously was aware of to chase these wonderful birds. Now, if he does his due diligence and passes his passion down to another generation, the cycle continues and the hunting culture has improved in my eyes.

You and I probably won't see eye to eye on this and that's ok. I just don't like to see a man bashed for taking a risk and chasing his passion.


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I think most all the you tube turkeys hunters should have been more vague on the location of where they are hunting . I see no need to specify whether it's public or private. Some things are better left unsaid.

Quote from: Canadian on February 03, 2024, 02:22:01 PM
This post is hysterical, all the guy asked is what people think of his calls

Being as the topic has shifted however, and that it hits home for me, ill add my two cents, without crap talking the Pinhoti guy that Slave was inquiring about. Especially when I've never even shook the guys hand and spent more than an hour over coffee with him.

Everyone here thinks turkey hunter increase and promotion is a bad thing? Come visit our public land in Canada. Come visit a place where there is little to no turkey hunting following, and government owned land is acquired just to rot. The most beautifully managed land ive ever seen is in the United States. For heavens sake, our government is trying to take our guns, as we speak! You think power in numbers is negative? If theres only 1 turkey left in my country, ill still go after him and enjoy the spring woods as though there were thousands. Besides, who gives a rats ars about what so-and-so does. If somebody sells pins for $ (which i think youre a crazy turkey conspiracy theorist to ACTUALLY believe) whats that to me? So long as i get to keep turkey hunting, and keep my Papas model 12. Pffffft, people sour that they gotta share God's creation with others. Wake up, and enjoy what you still have.

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This is a really great post in terms of appreciating what we have.  I often times think about the vast beauty of Canada and can't imagine what folks like yourself, myself, and normal thinking individuals feel about what that country and what Trudeau has done to it.  From legalizing heroin to pushing radical social agendas, they definitely seem to lead the way with craziness.  At least here in the US, we can most times count on the outdoor community to help us navigate the sad ways of the world.  It sounds like that is not the case as much there.  Thanks for sharing your perspective. 

Quote from: tcook7 on February 04, 2024, 07:29:30 AM
I get it man, you had to go find some new spots instead of the same ol honey holes you've been hunting, as did I. But, IMO, you're looking at this selfishly as it is an inconvenience to you.

However, the big picture says somewhere out there in social media land another fella saw that there are more opportunities than he previously was aware of to chase these wonderful birds. Now, if he does his due diligence and passes his passion down to another generation, the cycle continues and the hunting culture has improved in my eyes.

You and I probably won't see eye to eye on this and that's ok. I just don't like to see a man bashed for taking a risk and chasing his passion.


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You are okay with someone negatively affecting the sport of turkey hunting by the justification avenue of "chasing their passion?"

It's past time states put a licensing fee on people making money off our public land. 
Put that money into habitat work.   And no- not a small fee.

Quote from: Jfowler82 on February 04, 2024, 08:29:57 AM
I think most all the you tube turkeys hunters should have been more vague on the location of where they are hunting . I see no need to specify whether it's public or private. Some things are better left unsaid.

Unfortunately the damage has been done as this point.  Now we are left riding it out to see the long term affects. 

That's right....all turkey hunters and our children must sacrifice opportunity so thp and dave can live their dreams!!

You have to remember some states are reeling in those out of state travels by charging a lot more for licenses and tags that are available...

Arkansas is charging $500 for one turkey tag for non residents now with the recent influx.

From all the comments (away from the actual topic), pretty much everybody has made some valid points...some more valid than others...  ;D
...but from my perspective, here's the deal...

The current state of turkey hunting just follows the same path as many other aspects of our lives. There is this thing called the "Law of Unintended Consequences" that has this tendency to raise its ugly head all too often.  The process of getting to that point generally follows the same path. Somebody has an idea to take advantage of a given set of conditions, and often associated with their passion (and possibly benefit themselves financially), acts on that idea, and over time it comes back to bite a lot of other folks, as well as themselves a lot of times, in the posterior.  In the hunting world alone, there are a lot more examples of this than just turkey hunting.

Picking a single element to blame it on is simply looking for a scapegoat. ...And choosing a scapegoat that got into the game decades after certain other individuals dislodged the first rock that initiated the landslide is questionable logic, at best. In another thread on a similar topic, I pointed out my own set of rocks that I sent down the hill.  My guess is that there are few long-time turkey hunters here that have not contributed to the circumstances that currently exist in some way, shape, or form.  The fact is that nobody anticipates that a single rock dislodged is going to gather enough momentum over time to result in a potential disaster downhill.

As stated, there are examples of this all across pretty much every aspect of our lives, with perhaps the most glaring being the entire spectrum of what has happened as a result of the advent of the internet and media, in general, in all their facets.  Bottom line is "we are where we are" and "it is what it is".  Simply put, we can all complain about the state of the game at this point, but the reality is that all of us must adapt to the current conditions and alter our expectations (and actions) accordingly.  The ones that don't will just end up getting to walk behind the horses in the parade...or step out of the marching band altogether. 

Now, as far as the quality of the calls in question and per the topic of the original post, I have no idea...but my guess is that, along with most other calls made today,...they will call turkeys just fine when put in the hands of someone that knows how to use them and knows what a turkey sounds like...and knows what to say, when to say it, and where to say it from.    :icon_thumright: :)

Quote from: Jfowler82 on February 04, 2024, 08:29:57 AM
I think most all the you tube turkeys hunters should have been more vague on the location of where they are hunting . I see no need to specify whether it's public or private. Some things are better left unsaid.

This right here!!!!!! Spot on. Just film a hunt, and leave it at that. No public, private or state has to be mentioned.

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Quote from: Jfowler82 on February 04, 2024, 08:29:57 AM
I think most all the you tube turkeys hunters should have been more vague on the location of where they are hunting . I see no need to specify whether it's public or private. Some things are better left unsaid.

This right here!!!!!! Spot on. Just film a hunt, and leave it at that. No public, private or state has to be mentioned.

They wouldn't get as many clicks/views. Heaven forbid.   

Quote from: GobbleNut on February 04, 2024, 10:02:12 AM
From all the comments (away from the actual topic), pretty much everybody has made some valid points...some more valid than others...  ;D
...but from my perspective, here's the deal...

The current state of turkey hunting just follows the same path as many other aspects of our lives. There is this thing called the "Law of Unintended Consequences" that has this tendency to raise its ugly head all too often.  The process of getting to that point generally follows the same path. Somebody has an idea to take advantage of a given set of conditions, and often associated with their passion (and possibly benefit themselves financially), acts of that idea, and over time it comes back to bite a lot of other folks, as well as themselves a lot of times, in the posterior.  In the hunting world alone, there are a lot more examples of this than just turkey hunting.

Picking a single element to blame it on is simply looking for a scapegoat. ...And choosing a scapegoat that got into the game decades after certain other individuals dislodged the first rock that initiated the landslide is questionable logic, at best. In another thread on a similar topic, I pointed out my own set of rocks that I sent down the hill.  My guess is that there are few long-time turkey hunters here that have not contributed to the circumstances that currently exist in some way, shape, or form.  The fact is that nobody anticipates that a single rock dislodged is going to gather enough momentum over time to result in a potential disaster downhill.

As stated, there are examples of this all across pretty much every aspect of our lives, with perhaps the most glaring being the entire spectrum of what has happened as a result of the advent of the internet and media, in general, in all their facets.  Bottom line is "we are where we are" and "it is what it is".  Simply put, we can all complain about the state of the game at this point, but the reality is that all of us must adapt to the current conditions and alter our expectations (and actions) accordingly.  The ones that don't will just end up getting to walk behind the horses in the parade...or step out of the marching band altogether. 

Now, as far as the quality of the calls in question and per the topic of the original post, I have no idea...but my guess is that, along with most other calls made today,...they will call turkeys just fine when put in the hands of someone that knows how to use them and knows what a turkey sounds like...and knows what to say, when to say it, and where to say it from.    :icon_thumright: :)

Great post GobbleNut... :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:

As far as the call goes, here a thread from about a year ago about the call.
http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,111773.0.html

We are all adapting and changing ours plans/strategy to accommodate for the loss of season/bag limits /quota etc. but that doesn't mean we have to sit idly by and take it.... don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.

Wow, such a long thread full of envy, and self-orbits. According to some replying here, anyone who promotes turkey hunting in any fashion is pimping turkeys.  A rather lame exercise of "my turkeys, my spots." Very much in keeping with the tree-hugger preservationist folks, wanting it all to themselves, no changes, no newcomers, ever on public grounds no less... 

If the self-serving amongst us had it their way, final say. over a hundred years ago, there never would have been enough interest or critical mass of hunters, of community to ever witness the success of trap and transfer, wildlife management/research initiatives, and a grand era of increasing carrying capacities that resulted in a peak we once saw in the 1990s and early 2000s. The antis and birders refuse to pay for wildlife management as we all know, unless it excludes hunting. Seriously, in this thread, there is a full stop short of thinking it all the way through.   Growth and interest in the resource and turkey hunting is what brought turkeys back from near extinction and it took folks promoting the resource and conservation practices to make it happen. Blame it on the magazines, book authors of the day. Maybe a sitting president.

In CNY where I live, there is a ton of state land, where I seldom see another hunter, and very few trucks parked. I encountered far more hunters two decades ago. If we have it your way, the interest and the money will wither away on the vine, and we can revisit the 1930s-1950s all over again.  Where exactly do you think the funding is coming from to pay for the research in untangling and mitigating the declines from a perfect storm of all causes?  From hunters that want nobody else  hunting "their birds" on "their public lands?"

The video personality that some of you upset folks single out, is one of the few that publishes the good, and the not-so-much in a defeated gobbler. Far from the 100% kill fests and never-ending infomercial offerings. Gets his butt handed to him in many of the episodes I've seen, just like we all do, and not wall-to-wall hawking products.  Truth be told if the nay-sayers here had the opportunity to hunt that many states each season, and make some kind of living with it, they would..  Since when is he the first to have calls made on contract?  Would any call makers here be upset with him calling you up for an order? It can be said he promotes turkey hunting in a positive light even if he is killing "YOUR turkeys..."  Pinhoti Apocalypse, Dave behind every tree...? Envy much?    I remember silly drama like this in grade school. I digress.

"My turkeys" way of thinking deters future generations and does little to nothing to encourage them.  I might label that as selfish, self-interest.  I'll continue to be "selfish" in my writings, and books in the hope I might encourage others to enjoy the turkey woods as I do, God forbid, even the very public turkey woods I so enjoy...

So you profit from more turkey hunters?

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 04, 2024, 01:42:25 PM
So you profit from more turkey hunters?

Just as you do, you really ought to be writing letters to shotgun makers, ammo companies, camo clothing makers, and especially call makers as nobody should make a living according to your premise, especially those making a profit. Shaming fail, sorry, not buying that BS. You think the turkeys you killed over the years were possible without the growth of the turkey hunting industry and participating hunters, in return, funding wildlife initiatives, research, trap-and-transfer. Ever give thought if the DNRs of each state were all funded by general funds and the anti's, you might not have to worry about buying a hunting license, ever.... or any see any emphasis on managing whitetail deer, not to mention turkeys.

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 04, 2024, 01:42:25 PM
So you profit from more turkey hunters?

That's the answer right there. I am in NO WAY envious of "Super Dave". 
But I will say that I will be paying more attention to what I read and watch, AND WHO PRODUCED IT!!!!

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Wtf happened to this forum? Lol

Quote from: mookyj on February 04, 2024, 12:48:33 PM
Wow, such a long thread full of envy, and self-orbits. According to some replying here, anyone who promotes turkey hunting in any fashion is pimping turkeys.  A rather lame exercise of "my turkeys, my spots." Very much in keeping with the tree-hugger preservationist folks, wanting it all to themselves, no changes, no newcomers, ever on public grounds no less... 

If the self-serving amongst us had it their way, final say. over a hundred years ago, there never would have been enough interest or critical mass of hunters, of community to ever witness the success of trap and transfer, wildlife management/research initiatives, and a grand era of increasing carrying capacities that resulted in a peak we once saw in the 1990s and early 2000s. The antis and birders refuse to pay for wildlife management as we all know, unless it excludes hunting. Seriously, in this thread, there is a full stop short of thinking it all the way through.   Growth and interest in the resource and turkey hunting is what brought turkeys back from near extinction and it took folks promoting the resource and conservation practices to make it happen. Blame it on the magazines, book authors of the day. Maybe a sitting president.

In CNY where I live, there is a ton of state land, where I seldom see another hunter, and very few trucks parked. I encountered far more hunters two decades ago. If we have it your way, the interest and the money will wither away on the vine, and we can revisit the 1930s-1950s all over again.  Where exactly do you think the funding is coming from to pay for the research in untangling and mitigating the declines from a perfect storm of all causes?  From hunters that want nobody else  hunting "their birds" on "their public lands?"

The video personality that some of you upset folks single out, is one of the few that publishes the good, and the not-so-much in a defeated gobbler. Far from the 100% kill fests and never-ending infomercial offerings. Gets his butt handed to him in many of the episodes I've seen, just like we all do, and not wall-to-wall hawking products.  Truth be told if the nay-sayers here had the opportunity to hunt that many states each season, and make some kind of living with it, they would..  Since when is he the first to have calls made on contract?  Would any call makers here be upset with him calling you up for an order? It can be said he promotes turkey hunting in a positive light even if he is killing "YOUR turkeys..."  Pinhoti Apocalypse, Dave behind every tree...? Envy much?    I remember silly drama like this in grade school. I digress.

"My turkeys" way of thinking deters future generations and does little to nothing to encourage them.  I might label that as selfish, self-interest.  I'll continue to be "selfish" in my writings, and books in the hope I might encourage others to enjoy the turkey woods as I do, God forbid, even the very public turkey woods I so enjoy...

I'm not familiar with your writing so I apologize ahead of time if I make incorrect assumptions.
The type of people who are consuming content in book form vs YouTube/instagram/facebook are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Quote from: kytrkyhntr on February 04, 2024, 02:29:38 PM
Wtf happened to this forum? Lol

Folks finally coming to their senses after a few of us kept warning them what was coming as everyone mindlessly kept clicking "likes" and "subscribes".

Now LOTS of turkey hunters have been personally affected and do not like it one bit.

Quote from: slave601 on February 04, 2024, 10:45:25 AM

This right here!!!!!! Spot on. Just film a hunt, and leave it at that. No public, private or state has to be mentioned.

Brought that up in a person to person meeting with one of them. He got offended and just said "Well i'm a traveling turkey hunter and that is what I do!"

All about those views! So many folks searching "public" and "insert state name here" to plan their next "swing".

Quote from: runngun on February 04, 2024, 02:26:12 PM

But I will say that I will be paying more attention to what I read and watch, AND WHO PRODUCED IT!!!!

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And pay close attention where you spend your dollar. I try my best to avoid throwing any money at this new age turkey industry. If they've helped to cost us hunting opportunities directly or indirectly (by supporting their favorite influencers), ain't getting a dollar from me.

LOL!

Quote from: GobbleNut on February 04, 2024, 10:02:12 AM
From all the comments (away from the actual topic), pretty much everybody has made some valid points...some more valid than others...  ;D
...but from my perspective, here's the deal...

The current state of turkey hunting just follows the same path as many other aspects of our lives. There is this thing called the "Law of Unintended Consequences" that has this tendency to raise its ugly head all too often.  The process of getting to that point generally follows the same path. Somebody has an idea to take advantage of a given set of conditions, and often associated with their passion (and possibly benefit themselves financially), acts on that idea, and over time it comes back to bite a lot of other folks, as well as themselves a lot of times, in the posterior.  In the hunting world alone, there are a lot more examples of this than just turkey hunting.

Picking a single element to blame it on is simply looking for a scapegoat. ...And choosing a scapegoat that got into the game decades after certain other individuals dislodged the first rock that initiated the landslide is questionable logic, at best. In another thread on a similar topic, I pointed out my own set of rocks that I sent down the hill.  My guess is that there are few long-time turkey hunters here that have not contributed to the circumstances that currently exist in some way, shape, or form.  The fact is that nobody anticipates that a single rock dislodged is going to gather enough momentum over time to result in a potential disaster downhill.

As stated, there are examples of this all across pretty much every aspect of our lives, with perhaps the most glaring being the entire spectrum of what has happened as a result of the advent of the internet and media, in general, in all their facets.  Bottom line is "we are where we are" and "it is what it is".  Simply put, we can all complain about the state of the game at this point, but the reality is that all of us must adapt to the current conditions and alter our expectations (and actions) accordingly.  The ones that don't will just end up getting to walk behind the horses in the parade...or step out of the marching band altogether. 

Now, as far as the quality of the calls in question and per the topic of the original post, I have no idea...but my guess is that, along with most other calls made today,...they will call turkeys just fine when put in the hands of someone that knows how to use them and knows what a turkey sounds like...and knows what to say, when to say it, and where to say it from.    :icon_thumright: :)

I appreciate the thoughts in this post very much!  We must learn to adapt or get
left behind.


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Quote from: tcook7 on February 04, 2024, 05:30:40 AM

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Yeah, good example! Whatever will he do now, the poor guy?
The man has 12 Superbowl appearances and 8 rings, and will probably bring Jerry his first Lombardiof the millennium. He just took a year off to do some tuna fishing off Nantucket. :toothy12:

Yeah, good example! Whatever will he do now, the poor guy?
The man has 12 Superbowl appearances and 8 rings, and will probably bring Jerry his first Lombardiof the millennium. He just took a year off to do some tuna fishing off Nantucket. :toothy12:
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Wouldn't bet against it, legendary ball coach. But he won't get it done by operating the same way he did back during their run...that's the example. Not an NFL fan so don't take it as an attack on your team.


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7 pages

All this hate has inspired me to put on my lucky pinhoti underwear , and put a whoopin on some coons this week ...

Quote from: Howie g on February 04, 2024, 10:09:16 PM
All this hate has inspired me to put on my lucky pinhoti underwear , and put a whoopin on some coons this week ...

Go git'em Howie g
Post pictures!!!!

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Frost on the ground this mornin, gonna have to wear my THP Hoodie so I dont get cold :jackson:

Quote from: idratherb on February 05, 2024, 09:10:13 AM
Frost on the ground this mornin, gonna have to wear my THP Hoodie so I dont get cold :jackson:

Make sure you apply plenty of chap stick also.
I'm pretty sure Ted and Zach could recommend the best brand.

Yep, 7 pages. Shows you how serious the subject really is.  The truth is the truth, its not jealousy or envy, its the truth.  Ten years ago very few knew what a Super Slam was and even fewer knew someone going for it, now turkey hunters everywhere are setting up their "swing".  Hundreds of them. Hundreds. That's the change and it was the trading of public land spots that showed everyone the " costs" of the internet heroes, even people who had never heard of them.  Then you add the fact some states PAID THP to film and promote state lands that were already declining in game numbers, you should see why some folks are salty. Its a complicated issue, and not one of jealousy I assure you.  And its not a "my turkey" thing either. Its an already strained resource being marketed to death, literally. I'm starting to see who and where the real ignorance lies, not too many 3rd and 4th generation turkey men in love with the THP. 

Mr Canada, enjoy sitting on our porch. You should read and learn, well ask you about ice hockey. The average 25 season+ turkey hunter from the Southeast or Appalachia or Pennsylvania has forgotten more about turkey hunting than youve ever learned.

Ranger you're spot on as usual. I guess my comment on the other post is mis interpreted. I agree with everything you're saying. I was educated on some of these influencers recently by a member and took it into consideration and changed who I support. My comment on the other thread was generalizing that it's become so annoying that this fountain of information online for turkey hunters has really turned into nothing more but a page of crying about pinhoti project and other YouTubers. Really just the irony of Dave owens in particular considering when he was very active on here he was treated exactly how social media treats him. It's just bigger now. I don't frequent the app anymore like I once did because every thread is inactive or pinhoti is mentioned and the thread is then hijacked. Or at least that's what I see.

The arrival of the cell phones and the mapping apps have been one of the biggest problems in the death of turkeys and public land ... IMO....  With this change public ground has and will never be the same again... Regardless of how much we want to complain about what has happened to our public land if you watch any of these YouTube people they just about all have a discount code for mapping apps ....

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 05, 2024, 10:41:13 AM
Regardless of how much we want to complain about what has happened to our public land if you watch any of these YouTube people they just about all have a discount code for mapping apps ....

And before you use their discount code, just be aware they can be getting a kickback as high as 10% of that discount code. So you are literally funding their hunting by using their code. Ironically, Dave told me he wasn't interested in selling out to OnX a couple years ago. Funny how that changed. $$$$

I'd recommend using one of the other dozens of discount codes out there. Seems like every state agency out there now has one. I'd much rather the state agency make a few extra bucks than fund someone else's public land exploits.

Quote from: Greg Massey on February 05, 2024, 10:41:13 AM
The arrival of the cell phones and the mapping apps have been one of the biggest problems in the death of turkeys and public land ... IMO....  With this change public ground has and will never be the same again... Regardless of how much we want to complain about what has happened to our public land if you watch any of these YouTube people they just about all have a discount code for mapping apps ....

This ^. We have more information at our fingertips than ever before. What once required door knocking, boot leather, or a tank of gas in the truck is now just a click away on an app. It has eliminated most secrets

For all the complainers about youtube... I suppose you never watched the outdoor channel or purchased any piece of clothing or equipment that those folks produced for over a decade when it was the new big thing? Youtube is just a different platform. I haven't been around here too long but the complaining is a bit ridiculous. I'll continue to hunt just as always have. Sure, I'll bump into other hunters, but they will probably be just as unhappy to see me as I will them.

The problem is never as bad as it seems when you focus your energy on it.

Quote from: Ranger on February 03, 2024, 10:09:48 AM
What some don't understand is that its much deeper than a bunch of videos and promoting the sport. The truth is that Cove or Dave or whatever the fans call him has actually sold out and traded GA and ALA spots to out of state hunters, "traded" those spots to out of state hunters for his own opportunities in other states. So now places that were somewhat .moderate as far as activity have seen exponential growth in numbers, and its not a coincidence. So if you're a fan and wondering why he's made so many salty, he sold out their spots to hunt in other states. Pins for pins, its a thing, and as the super slammer group gets bigger the pins keep getting shared. And to those that know, they get to watch the fans pay for his travels now.

This is 100% correct and is exactly how he is playing the game.  Quite shameful really, all under the guise of it benefitting the wild turkey.

If he had gotten a percentage of all the trumpets that he sold after that YouTube video came out, he would have been rich and could have quit YouTube ... I think he missed a golden opportunity myself ... I know he could have made a large percentage from myself in buying trumpets ....  :OGturkeyhead:

Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 04, 2024, 09:33:48 PM
7 pages

Wrong, 8  :z-winnersmiley:

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Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 04, 2024, 09:33:48 PM
7 pages

Wrong, 8  :z-winnersmiley:

It's very sad

11 pages??

I reckon I just live under a rock as I still don't know who this pinhoti guy is.. I don't think I want to look him up either after everything I've been reading lol

Would it be weird if we had 8 pages of nest predator trapping , or habitat improvements ??
You know , things we can actually do something about . 

Quote from: Howie g on February 05, 2024, 06:51:06 PM
Would it be weird if we had 8 pages of nest predator trapping , or habitat improvements ??
You know , things we can actually do something about .

Amen here

I guess I will jump in the ring and offer my 2¢.....I think the comment about the mapping apps is spot on as probably the most detrimental cause of the current public land cluster. Influencers have been around since the early days of VHS and probably before. Sure its evolved over the years, but what hasn't. Public land hunting isnt the "cool new thing". It was what many who didn't have access to private resorted to. I believe the public land squeeze is honestly a result of less private land access. Leases, and other hurdles have made private access increasingly rare from year to year. I personally refuse to believe that one man on the internet has enough "influence" to singlehandedly damage a a species as resourceful as the wild turkey.

Change is the only constant....that and folks complaining about it!

You touched on some solid points Chief.
I'll add that not everyone is a 3rd or 4th generation hunter. Can you imagine having the passion you have towards hunting and no one in your family hunts?
Like it or not we do need more hunters and I understand the gripes against social media, influencers, and youtube but one thing the internet can't provide is woodsmanship. Woodsmanship is earned.and no one can take that from you so enjoy your time the best you can every minute of your hunting season.

Quote from: Chief Razor on February 05, 2024, 08:06:40 PM
I guess I will jump in the ring and offer my 2¢.....I think the comment about the mapping apps is spot on as probably the most detrimental cause of the current public land cluster. Influencers have been around since the early days of VHS and probably before. Sure its evolved over the years, but what hasn't. Public land hunting isnt the "cool new thing". It was what many who didn't have access to private resorted to. I believe the public land squeeze is honestly a result of less private land access. Leases, and other hurdles have made private access increasingly rare from year to year. I personally refuse to believe that one man on the internet has enough "influence" to singlehandedly damage a a species as resourceful as the wild turkey.

Change is the only constant....that and folks complaining about it!

One guy, no, but say you watch a few youtubers killing turkeys on public in other states, and are pretty confident you're a better hunter, caller, woodsman, or whatever reason you think you're better than them, and say well if they can do it, so can I.  So you and some buddies load up and go. Say 50,000 people watch that video and 1% decide to hunt said state that's 500 new hunters right off the bat.

It's not that you think you are better than anyone else..... you just saw guys in x state on public land hearing gobblers and leaving plenty of bread crumbs (landmarks/camp grounds/gas stations/etc) to hone in on location.  It's human nature.....same reason your daddy told you to keep what you heard/saw to yourself when you were a kid. Silence is a turkey hunters best friend for more than one reason.  If 1-5% of users are influenced to travel out of state then competition/conflict will arise. State agencies must then curb the numbers of non resident hunters to combat the rise and protect the resource... resulting in loss of opportunity for all. It's what happened. You can say it's not so but it is. More newbie hunters = more views/likes = more $. Turkeys were sold out and that's a fact and for Pennies on the dollar. 

Hi my name is Upfold99. I'm addicted to the pinhoti project.

Seriously this is consuming alot of people.  I appreciate the guy and what he does.  Good for him with the brand. Just adapt and move on.

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The word "adapt" on this forum seems to send many into a tizzy.  I enjoy his YouTube's also.  Turkeys For Tomorrow will have their drawing for their guided hunts this Thursday.  One of the choices is a hunt with his group.  It is the one I selected.  Be fun.  Good luck this season.   :turkey2:

Quote from: Upfold99 on February 06, 2024, 07:56:33 AM
Just adapt and move on.

Just to keep this thread rolling along to see just how many pages we can get out of it...   ;D :D
...here's a question for all.  How have you "adapted" to the current "state of affairs"?

Here's the situation where I hunt out here in the west:  I mostly hunt public land in Merriam's country in the big mountain chains.  There is no question we do not have the same kind of pressure on our public lands that some other places in the country have, but the "problem" that exists here is that, even though there are still good numbers of turkeys, they often exist in a) scattered flocks with lots of empty space between, b) have a tendency to either stay on or close to private holdings that are increasingly becoming owned by people who are feeding and/or protecting them, and c) the ones that are "available" to be hunted are generally visible and/or vocal enough that EVERYBODY knows where they are.

Because of that, even though the hunting pressure would be considered light compared to other places, it is becoming increasingly rare to find birds that are not being consistently hunted by multiple parties.  In addition, those "parties" that are hunting them very often do 'stuff" when hunting them that those birds get boogered up pretty quickly and becomes extremely difficult to kill using traditional hunting and calling methods. 

So here's how I have personally adapted to our situation:
1) I avoid weekend hunting and especially the first weekend and initial few days of the season (if I can keep myself from going then).
2) I have given up hunting certain locations with lots of turkeys because of the concentration of hunters doing the "stuff" mentioned above.
3) I am increasingly concentrating on hunting out-of-the-way places and/or difficult places to get to.
4) I tend to hunt later in the season when the weekenders and casual hunters have generally quit for the year...even though I know I am hunting the "educated" gobblers that are still alive, hoping to find one that has been overlooked and will play the game the way I want. 
5) I have expanded my hunting horizons to include traveling further and looking at other hunting options that I might not have considered prior to the current "state of affairs". 
6) I am "adapting" my attitude such that I am more content with just being "out there" hunting rather than having to fill all of my "tags" to feel satisfied with the hunt...although I still like to put a tag on a gobbler as much as the next guy.   ;D

How 'bout everybody else? How have you "adapted"?... :)

1. I scout alot to have multiple options.
2. I'm in the woods very early.
3. I back out if I get beat to a spot. 
4. I drive many miles to find additional hunting spots.
5. I'm willing to pay for some private and not hunt public only.  However, I hunt public 90%.

Well I guess most things I stated are things I have heard Mr. Owen's say.  Guess I'm a terrible fella too.

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From what I've been reading, you may be ok, unless you smoke a cigar after a successful hunt.   And stay off YouTube.

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Adapting..... Used to have a bunch of close march options. Had a place we went every year. Had some big years and made friends with the 3-4 groups of hunters that used the same camp ground.  One year we show up to find a lot of hunters in the camp ground. 2-3x as many along with 3-4 of the popular turkey channel guys.  This area always had a good amount of pressure as it was. We hunted. Got up early. Held spots. Did what we could. Left there after a few days and moved to some less pressured stuff.  Was our first encounter with YouTubers and not our last. Continued to hunt the other areas and the hunting numbers continued to grow. Then the state delayed season on the public land.....basically no longer allowing march hunting on the public and then 1 turkey in the first week.

So we adapted by moving to another state with march hunting. Did this for a bit with some success but more pressure than ever due to more hunters and more displaced hunters. Then that state enacted a non resident draw to hunt in March. We drew and it wasn't ideal but we made it work. Then we didn't draw

So we adapted by moving to another state that allowed march hunting that was even farther away. The crowds were suffocating but we adapted and had some success.  But we saw more hunters than turkeys. A far cry from year earlier.

We continue to travel and see other states lower our hunting opportunities through delayed openers and lower bag limits/one gobbler in the first week regs. We stretched farther away from home.

We put in for tags and quotas now which were once open hunting. We've seen the Midwest pummeled. Farmers that never saw another hunter in Wisconsin having people coming by daily.

I've traveled all over hunting and have spent 30 days on the road for 20 + years.  I know you can get into areas with less pressure and I do but the windows for those areas is short. And you end up farther from home and airplanes become a requirement.

I think about different ways to adapt daily. It never leaves my mind. The noose is tightening on the public land hunters especially southerners . 

Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 06, 2024, 01:42:53 PM
9 pages

I'm taking prop bets on this,
What do you think 12 on the over/under?

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Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 06, 2024, 01:42:53 PM
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I'm taking prop bets on this,
What do you think 12 on the over/under?

I see no end in sight.

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Quote from: joey46 on February 06, 2024, 08:09:45 AM
The word "adapt" on this forum seems to send many into a tizzy.  I enjoy his YouTube's also.  Turkeys For Tomorrow will have their drawing for their guided hunts this Thursday.  One of the choices is a hunt with his group.  It is the one I selected.  Be fun.  Good luck this season.   :turkey2:

Maybe you'll win and he can autograph a trumpet and a pair of pinhoti underwear for you..

Quote from: Zobo on February 06, 2024, 02:09:38 PM

Quote from: Bedge7767 on February 06, 2024, 01:42:53 PM
9 pages

I'm taking prop bets on this,
What do you think 12 on the over/under?

Give me the over.

I said 11 earlier. Might be it?

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 06, 2024, 01:46:33 PM
Adapting..... Used to have a bunch of close march options. Had a place we went every year. Had some big years and made friends with the 3-4 groups of hunters that used the same camp ground.  One year we show up to find a lot of hunters in the camp ground. 2-3x as many along with 3-4 of the popular turkey channel guys.  This area always had a good amount of pressure as it was. We hunted. Got up early. Held spots. Did what we could. Left there after a few days and moved to some less pressured stuff.  Was our first encounter with YouTubers and not our last. Continued to hunt the other areas and the hunting numbers continued to grow. Then the state delayed season on the public land.....basically no longer allowing march hunting on the public and then 1 turkey in the first week.

So we adapted by moving to another state with march hunting. Did this for a bit with some success but more pressure than ever due to more hunters and more displaced hunters. Then that state enacted a non resident draw to hunt in March. We drew and it wasn't ideal but we made it work. Then we didn't draw

So we adapted by moving to another state that allowed march hunting that was even farther away. The crowds were suffocating but we adapted and had some success.  But we saw more hunters than turkeys. A far cry from year earlier.

We continue to travel and see other states lower our hunting opportunities through delayed openers and lower bag limits/one gobbler in the first week regs. We stretched farther away from home.

We put in for tags and quotas now which were once open hunting. We've seen the Midwest pummeled. Farmers that never saw another hunter in Wisconsin having people coming by daily.

I've traveled all over hunting and have spent 30 days on the road for 20 + years.  I know you can get into areas with less pressure and I do but the windows for those areas is short. And you end up farther from home and airplanes become a requirement.

I think about different ways to adapt daily. It never leaves my mind. The noose is tightening on the public land hunters especially southerners .

Well said.

Unfortunately, everything is spot on and has been felt and experienced by some of us exactly as you have stated.

Of course you could always adapt by entering a raffle for a chance to win a hunt with a few folks that have helped to provide the rope that seems to get tighter every year.

Two factors that seem to be overlooked are the population of the US is growing so that probably translates into more hunters. Probably more importantly is the internet has become the first place you look for any information on any topic. For years I read the hunting survey results regarding why people are dripping out of hunting and usually the number one reason was access to hunting property. So fast forward to now and if I wanted to start hunting the first place I would look would be the internet

Very reasonable post NCL.  Some here on this thread seem so frustrated they may "stroke out".  Too bad  - ADAPT (or buy golf clubs).

Im on last bag of THP popcorn :popcorn:....maybe Ted will send me more since I signed up for OnX

Ted is my favorite too.

 It doesn't matter how many pages this post lasts. The you tube haters will be on every post now till June when the word you tube comes up. Notifications.

When it does, they are on here hard core.

What I find the most ironic/moronic is people complaining about social media, while on, social media!

I'm on pins and needles waiting on tomorrow's night's Turkeys For Tomorrow's drawing to see if I lucked out for the THP hunt.  Wish me luck.  :lol:

Quote from: joey46 on February 07, 2024, 07:39:24 PM
I'm on pins and needles waiting on tomorrow's night's Turkeys For Tomorrow's drawing to see if I lucked out for the THP hunt.  Wish me luck.  :lol:

Good luck

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What I find the most ironic/moronic is people complaining about social media, while on, social media!

My wife complains about restaurants while eating in restaurants, and movies while watching movies and working when she's at work and cleaning when she's cleaning and ...... :toothy12:

You'd think as much as he push's them calls he could Jeff a shout out for that Carbon Stricker he always uses

It's almost 11 pages long now...

I haven't seen or run one of the pots, but I'm sure they sound fine. I do wonder who makes them.

I do, however, really like the ghost cut mouth calls from him/whoever makes them, especially the purple ghost. They have been more repeatable, consistent, and produce more realistic sounds for me than about any I have found. I'll support that because it helps me. I am selfish. I'm ok with that.

Quote from: OsceolaDreams on February 08, 2024, 06:57:35 AM
You'd think as much as he push's them calls he could Jeff a shout out for that Carbon Stricker he always uses

He does like that striker.


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Quote from: aclawrence on February 08, 2024, 02:59:56 PM

Quote from: OsceolaDreams on February 08, 2024, 06:57:35 AM
You'd think as much as he push's them calls he could Jeff a shout out for that Carbon Stricker he always uses

He does like that striker.

If he likes that one wait till he runs the new and improved


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Going on 11 pages and no solution other than to turn off the internet!!! 

We have caught 11 coyotes so far Howie G.  Gotta get on those coons, but I think I'm gonna pay my 11yo to do that so he can earn a little spending money!!  Dog proofs are great for kids. 

So are the calls any good or not? :funnyturkey: :OGturkeyhead: :toothy9: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Z

One more page, one more page

I can't help but wonder if the mouth call page would have been given the same attention if it had been asked first lol

Quote from: Sanders153 on February 09, 2024, 08:47:28 AM
I can't help but wonder if the mouth call page would have been given the same attention if it had been asked first lol

There's still time....lol

I just thought the pot calls on his website looked high quality and if he were to put his name on it they had to at least be capable of sounding good. Never woulda thought that it would have gotten this much attention lol. The man definitely has a hate club I wasn't aware of

Everyone has already voiced my opinion I'm just trying to get to page 11.????

I don't think this was about you slave601, It looks more like a debate on Mr Owens. You are all good bro.  :funnyturkey: Z

Ive Hardly seen him use a pot call in his videos.   

Quote from: slave601 on February 09, 2024, 09:31:46 AM
I just thought the pot calls on his website looked high quality and if he were to put his name on it they had to at least be capable of sounding good. Never woulda thought that it would have gotten this much attention lol. The man definitely has a hate club I wasn't aware of

There is a soundfile of the walnut glass call on - you guessed it - YouTube.  Type in "pinhoti pot call" in the search bar.  It sounds to me like it will call turkeys as well as most other calls.  Hope this helps.

11

From 7 to 11 huh Bedge7767 lol

11 pages and still not a fair offer on my pinhoti underwear .

Quote from: Sanders153 on February 09, 2024, 04:11:15 PM
From 7 to 11 huh Bedge7767 lol

With no end in sight.

I dont consider a forum like this to be mainstream social media. Forums of this genre, truly focused on campfire style convo and education, arent focused on photos and chest beating. That goes for any sport or hobby forums, i.e.bodybuilding or fishing, etc.

Its the "look at me" narcissism drug that is killing turkey hunting and the pinhoti types are the dealers and brand reps of this drug making money and fame off the addicts.

I will not support social media influencers but im sure that call is just as good as a tom teaser or any other mass produced pot call.

Quote from: white0ak on February 10, 2024, 06:06:18 AM
I dont consider a forum like this to be mainstream social media. Forums of this genre, truly focused on campfire style convo and education, arent focused on photos and chest beating. That goes for any sport or hobby forums, i.e.bodybuilding or fishing, etc.

Its the "look at me" narcissism drug that is killing turkey hunting and the pinhoti types are the dealers and brand reps of this drug making money and fame off the addicts.

I will not support social media influencers but im sure that call is just as good as a tom teaser or any other mass produced pot call.

100%

Quote from: mookyj on February 04, 2024, 12:48:33 PM
Wow, such a long thread full of envy, and self-orbits. According to some replying here, anyone who promotes turkey hunting in any fashion is pimping turkeys.  A rather lame exercise of "my turkeys, my spots." Very much in keeping with the tree-hugger preservationist folks, wanting it all to themselves, no changes, no newcomers, ever on public grounds no less... 

If the self-serving amongst us had it their way, final say. over a hundred years ago, there never would have been enough interest or critical mass of hunters, of community to ever witness the success of trap and transfer, wildlife management/research initiatives, and a grand era of increasing carrying capacities that resulted in a peak we once saw in the 1990s and early 2000s. The antis and birders refuse to pay for wildlife management as we all know, unless it excludes hunting. Seriously, in this thread, there is a full stop short of thinking it all the way through.   Growth and interest in the resource and turkey hunting is what brought turkeys back from near extinction and it took folks promoting the resource and conservation practices to make it happen. Blame it on the magazines, book authors of the day. Maybe a sitting president.

In CNY where I live, there is a ton of state land, where I seldom see another hunter, and very few trucks parked. I encountered far more hunters two decades ago. If we have it your way, the interest and the money will wither away on the vine, and we can revisit the 1930s-1950s all over again.  Where exactly do you think the funding is coming from to pay for the research in untangling and mitigating the declines from a perfect storm of all causes?  From hunters that want nobody else  hunting "their birds" on "their public lands?"

The video personality that some of you upset folks single out, is one of the few that publishes the good, and the not-so-much in a defeated gobbler. Far from the 100% kill fests and never-ending infomercial offerings. Gets his butt handed to him in many of the episodes I've seen, just like we all do, and not wall-to-wall hawking products.  Truth be told if the nay-sayers here had the opportunity to hunt that many states each season, and make some kind of living with it, they would..  Since when is he the first to have calls made on contract?  Would any call makers here be upset with him calling you up for an order? It can be said he promotes turkey hunting in a positive light even if he is killing "YOUR turkeys..."  Pinhoti Apocalypse, Dave behind every tree...? Envy much?    I remember silly drama like this in grade school. I digress.

"My turkeys" way of thinking deters future generations and does little to nothing to encourage them.  I might label that as selfish, self-interest.  I'll continue to be "selfish" in my writings, and books in the hope I might encourage others to enjoy the turkey woods as I do, God forbid, even the very public turkey woods I so enjoy...

Beings as I read through this whole thing and there is a sincere interest in getting this to 12 pages, I couldn't help but join in. The above comment is the comment of the year for me. That basically says everything I wanted to say.

I too have seen a couple of my public land spots hunted while enjoying the latest YouTube video. The next year I wasn't within 100 miles of that place and then you hear what a zoo it was. No kidding...Meanwhile, I didn't see a Hunter where I was. Use the laziness of other hunters to your advantage and like has been said "adapt."

Also, give me another vote for laughing at the bashing of social media while using social media. Just because you don't "consider" it social media doesn't mean it's not. It's literally in the name. This is media, and as a group we all partake in it making it "social".

One last note...where does the anger on "pimping out turkeys for profit" end? It appears it's only confined to YouTube? Anyone who makes calls (which is what this post was about in case anyone forgot) should also be stoned to death? Hey they're making profit from turkeys and turkey hunters! How dare they!!! That is completely unacceptable! Is Shannon, the site owner, also in trouble here? Hey he's making money from turkeys and turkey hunters. GASP!!! Camouflage makers? Man they've been raking us over the coals for years for profit and we don't even need it most of the time! Again...unacceptable!!!

I like public land turkey hunting so I watch public land turkey hunting. I don't know what some of you watch? Desperate housewives maybe??? More reruns of the office??

I wish like hell I could quit my job and hunt for a living. People are hateful, hypocritical and jealous in nature. None of that becomes more obvious than when one of these posts show up.

I just said this in a previous comment but life is too short to worry about what someone on the internet is going to say. Some of you need to find a way to deal with your hate, jealousy and discontent.

This is hilarious! There's some serious Bootlickin' going on in this thread! Wonder if Super Dave's read all of this......Worship ON!!!

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Guaranteed knelling gobbler on leg bottomland hero pics for many here.  Learn to hunt for yourself. Hunt because you love it. Not because you need confirmation from strangers. It's now a competition these days between men when it should only be a competition between you and The gobbler. Kill one and dont tell anyone.....then see if it's still fun

I ordered two Pinoti calls last week.  Hope that aggravates this forum's elite. Since I've chased the big birds since before any of the THP group (and many others here) were born I'll get over it.  Repeatedly hear about recruiting new hunters but I guess that must now be qualified with "unless they're hunting turkeys on MY public land".  These threads always enter the cartoon stage at some point.  Bingo -  this is now in the cartoon category.  Congrats.

Laugh now......

Laugh until you frustrate yourself into a mental breakdown.  ADAPT.  Things aren't going to change.  A good chance at a bird is the goal.  The day's of three bird limits and no quotas are coming to an end .  Live with it or take up golf .

Quote from: POk3s on February 13, 2024, 11:20:32 AM
Beings as I read through this whole thing and there is a sincere interest in getting this to 12 pages

Not if you took the under :smiley-char092:

Quote from: arkrem870 on February 13, 2024, 02:02:24 PM
Guaranteed knelling gobbler on leg bottomland hero pics for many here.  Learn to hunt for yourself. Hunt because you love it. Not because you need confirmation from strangers. It's now a competition these days between men when it should only be a competition between you and The gobbler. Kill one and dont tell anyone.....then see if it's still fun

Well said

12 pages ! Yessssss!!!!

Quote from: PALongspur on February 13, 2024, 06:16:10 PM
12 pages ! Yessssss!!!!

Crap lol

sold some pot calls pretty quick.

Turkey calls ....the beauty of em is that they do all the talking for the maker ...your in essence selling the SOUND first and foremost.....

The gobbler that spent the night in a pine tree really is not going to care about someone's opinion... 

Let's " be nice "

They make great sounding calls. I don't own any of them, a friend does. Some of there wood based calls looks good too. Too me sounds Matter, to a turkey.

Y'all have a good one and May God bless y'all, Bo.

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I have not bought one of his pot calls. But I have bought some of his mouth calls. I do not know if they are made by him or not I do not care. I just like the calls:

 :wagon:   Royal OG Rumble 2024    :TrainWreck1:
Fighting out of this corner and in the Sitka trunks we have Yallruineditall! Yallruineditall is the reigning champion and comes in with a record of 12-1 and enters the ring facing the highly frowned upon product of the Youtube generation Bootlickerrrrr! Bootlicker 13-2 is the former champion and finally found his way back into the ring with Onx maps and is wearing Mossy Oak Bottomland trunks.
Letssss get ready to rumbleeeee!     :OGturkeyhead:

Haha!

I hope everyone has an enjoyable season

Quote from: dublelung on February 29, 2024, 11:46:22 AM
:wagon:   Royal OG Rumble 2024    :TrainWreck1:
Fighting out of this corner and in the Sitka trunks we have Yallruineditall! Yallruineditall is the reigning champion and comes in with a record of 12-1 and enters the ring facing the highly frowned upon product of the Youtube generation Bootlickerrrrr! Bootlicker 13-2 is the former champion and finally found his way back into the ring with Onx maps and is wearing Mossy Oak Bottomland trunks.
Letssss get ready to rumbleeeee!     :OGturkeyhead:

:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:  Love it!   ;D

Threads like this with a bunch of haters who have yet to leave their own counties or states for that matter, without question makes me want to puke.

Quote from: BrowningBuster on February 29, 2024, 05:53:00 PM
Threads like this with a bunch of haters who have yet to leave their own counties or states for that matter, without question makes me want to puke.

Bet ya most of the "haters" you reference are pretty well versed in traveling to other states to hunt. That is how they know how much damage has been done thanks to YouTube.

^exactly.   Just trying to stay in the woods, this "hater" will hunt 12+ states this year with all the additional restrictions we now face. 
More 1 bird limits, 1 bird in the first 10 days, etc, etc.

I got some of his mouth calls and I like them a lot.  Don't care much for his videos and don't have any of his stickers, shirts or hats. 

Free CARL RAY

Quote from: Howie g on March 01, 2024, 08:48:03 AM
Free CARL RAY

Hee Haw!!! :happy0064: :happy0064:

Wonder if Ol Carl Ray is a little more quieter these days.

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Mouth calls some of the most :drool: :drool: user friendly I've ever tried.  Setting up a few items for a 3/8 Florida quota hunt.  The new Pinhoti calls already in the vest.  Love some of these threads since most turn into cartoons.  Lol.  Some need to really get over themselves.  The 80s and 90s have passed you by.  Do you think you can actually ban YouTube?
Btw - hope to do two States this season maybe three.  Getting old so the knees are giving out before the desire.

No....but the more public hunters that understand watching/liking/buying the products of those pimping out public hunting is cutting your own throat the better. Glad you were drawn for a quota.....more quotas are coming and more loss of hunting opportunities guaranteed. If you like losing your opportunity then you can't be helped

Public means public.  Nothing tough to understand about that.  Some think things can revert to the 1980s.   They won't.  Live with it or practice your putting and nine iron.

Quote from: runngun on March 01, 2024, 01:17:31 PM
Wonder if Ol Carl Ray is a little more quieter these days.

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Carl Ray is literally my neighbor. He's changed his ways and as far as I know completely quit all the social media shenanigans. He's very involved in church and so on.

Quote from: slave601 on March 01, 2024, 06:20:03 PM

Quote from: runngun on March 01, 2024, 01:17:31 PM
Wonder if Ol Carl Ray is a little more quieter these days.

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Carl Ray is literally my neighbor. He's changed his ways and as far as I know completely quit all the social media shenanigans. He's very involved in church and so on.

Sounds like ole C ray done set himself Free .. good on him

Quote from: slave601 on March 01, 2024, 06:20:03 PM

Quote from: runngun on March 01, 2024, 01:17:31 PM
Wonder if Ol Carl Ray is a little more quieter these days.

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Carl Ray is literally my neighbor. He's changed his ways and as far as I know completely quit all the social media shenanigans. He's very involved in church and so on.

That is awesome!!! I am glad that you posted this!!! Everyone could use a whole lot of Jesus!!!

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