Refuse to reply again to the "closet reapers". It has turned into, with a few exceptions, nothing more than:
The self-righteous, echoed by the elitist, then applauded by the whiners. Have any of you actually looked at some of the knee jerk regulations now been enacted or proposed in many of the southern states because of this hysteria and call to "just do something"? A conglomeration of this ban, that ban, non-resident restrictions, beard restrictions (heaven help you if you take a jake if you are over ten years old) and more ad nauseum. Even have supposed officials from one state suggesting their resident hunters are a bunch of cheaters. Of course the season lengths and resident limits don't change too much and of course the resident license fees stay ridiculously low. No politics involved there I'm sure. If the resident hunters are happy we're all happy. Doesn't take a genius to see this is BS and nothing more than appeasement. At least my native state of Ohio did do something. They reduced the limit. They didn't ban this and that or try to stop non-residents from crossing the Ohio River - Yet.
For the record I don't reap, do often use decoys (even the dreaded male decoy), shoot TSS, and often deploy camo netting. I will use the standard old style game cameras to scout on both public and private grounds. I have and use a GPS. I will do so until some of you short sighted individuals accomplish your goal and make any of the aforementioned illegal. I also dare to view social media and YouTube. No problem with THP but I'll bet he gets death threats.
The state forums I view are mostly worried about and try to limit the pesky non-resident. Any other concern usually takes a back seat. This is the only forum that runs the whole "ban everything we don't like" gamut. You are the epidemy of the "cool guys".
I'll probably take a short forum hiatus tomorrow but still be around. Seeing how things are trending gives me some solace in being an old guy knowing my future seasons are limited. Ten years from now you nitwits will have banned everything and still find that the only solution to your crisis was reduced limits and shorter seasons. You'll be under quota systems. Ask the Florida hunters how those work out. Good luck. You'll need it. Kiss kiss - for now.
Nitwits !! Now there's a word I haven't heard in a while !
My late grandpa called me a nitwit often ... Speaking of my grandpa , he killed his share of
Gobblers with just a piece of cane reed a homemade box. No decoys etc .. I reckon he was an elites also .
As for me ,, I'm proud to carry on what he taught me .
Glad to see someone else up at 3:15am. I use "nitwit" often. I know one when I see one. Yes I've also had a few. Lol.
Are these forums fun or what? Good luck.
I've been up for a while myself. I like open and civil discussion, when people say what they think, and I don't necessarily have to agree with them. I don't see it as complaining at all. Merely a point of view. However, this thread strikes me as a complaint. And that's a bit confusing as it's coming from someone who supposedly doesn't like complainers. Anyways, I have weights to lift, and I hope you get whatever it is you're looking for.
I just say Bless Their Hearts which means to me What a Dumb A - - !!!!!!
I find myself interacting less than I used to here. Some very good people here but as with anything there is always a contingency of the minority who cry the loudest and thus are heard the most and precived to become the majority.
Honestly I get tired of the noise.
This popcorn just doesnt taste that well with coffee :popcorn:
I hope I do not offend anyone with this post. Quite frankly, I love this forum and the knowledge shared here. I participate often, I don't always agree with some of the threads/topics, but that is what a forum is. It's a sharing, debating, and informational platform that welcomes everyone's ideas and input. Yes, there is controversial topics, heated debates, and rigid disagreements from time to time. I deal with most of them by "sitting" them out. With regard to legal/illegal, ethics and preferred hunting styles, I say this is a matter of personal choice. I myself have a preferred, simple hunting style that I enjoy and am obsessed with. I have seen the good, the mediocre and the bad years since 1980. Yes, I've had to adapt to the pressure and scarcity of birds. I will never give up this sport until I know there is nothing left to pursue. In the meantime, I hope we all continue sharing our experiences here. Thanks for listening....
Sadly most forums end badly. Politics and personal agendas lead to bitter arguments followed by members leaving. Soon they can not support themselves and are taken down. Even with the current disagreements, this forum is by far the best managed and run one I have ever been a member of. The discussions are very civil compared to most forums. Sure we get irritated and disagree, but I see most posters actually reading and respectfully responding to opinions. I have changed my mind on some issues over these discussions and I think they are valuable. I wish we could sit down with all the wildlife agencies and have these open discussions civilly, but I have been a part of those attempts and saw some ugly results. I have seen it bad enough law enforcement had to escort officials and biologist away from the event ( myself included). As a wildlife official I accepted every invitation to sportsman's events I could. I have been cornered, threatened and afraid for my well being more than once. I have been called names I never imagined. I was once threatened to be thrown against a wall and beat senseless because a man didn't get the number he wanted. In most cases the audience was very attentive and grateful for my work. They had opinions and voiced them and I took them serious. I can think of more than once they made points that really made sense and when looked into, we as an agency adapted their suggestion.
My point being, every problem is best solved with open and honest discussion, even heated debate. I think this forum does a great job at moderating that and I still say is the best one I have ever joined. The common thread is we all have a deep concern for the American turkey and the American way. So please be patient with each other and gracious.
Joey, I personally think Ohio's limit reduction was a knee jerk reaction to public outcry to do something, but I could be wrong. I can't see how it will make a difference. Now a shorter season I think would make a difference.
Wait..... Ohio just went from two gobblers to one gobbler limit. Pot meet kettle Joey
It was a knee jerk reaction by Ohio dnr because of the massive influx of hunters and specifically non resident hunters. These same hunters were "influenced" to travel and hunt by the very YouTube videos you support through viewing their content.
Don't let the negative people ruin your enjoyment of this site. Don't let a keyboard "warrior" get under your skin.
It is a big old country we live in and hunting terrain, conservation issues and hunting traditions vary. We won't all do it the same way and that's OK. If you don't like a particular technique, don't use it.
I think a respectful discussion of these topics is good. We can take our opinions to the state wildlife agencies after studying and discussing the issues.
The key word is respectful in that paragraph. Keep the discussion civil. Now I'm off the read that thread.
First I love this forum. One of the good things about riding this rock around the sun almost 80 times, is you reach a point where if it legal, you don't give a rodents rear, what anyone else says or does. Just wish I would have learned it a long time ago.
There is always a Few Bad Apples that try to ruin the Whole Bushel. It is up to us along with the Administrators to weed out those apples. Don't allow those Few Apples to deter us from sharing Quality information about this GREAT sport. Most of these NITWITS are trolling or phishing their STUPID DRAMA. DON'T get caught up with the NITWITS! If we don't post to their, WOULD I, COULD I, SHOULD I, mentality MOST of the NITWITS will shut up and go to another Site. Let's remain a SOLID Family and ignore the NITWITS!
I like coming on here and talking turkey.
I cannot fathom giving the slightest da** about what anyone else thinks about the way I hunt or the need to defend it to anyone. The only thing I care less about than that is the way others hunt that don't affect me.
People whining on a random board have exactly ZERO effect on a State's biological plan for wildlife. Let me restate-ZERO EFFECT. Unless the person lecturing and whining actually serves on a governing body, their opinions are completely disconnected from the reality of what happens in their state with the sole ability each of us have to go to meetings and have our voice heard.
I usually just stay off the reaping/decoy/TSS threads, except with an occasional smart alec drive-by for humor. It has all been said before. Also, the block feature is really effective and easy.
Wait ,,, so , when my grandpa called me a " nitwit " it wasn't a complement...
Dang it man !!!
This open forum is a way for people to interact with each other. It's about holding open discussions and sharing knowledge and experiences with our forum members. We all have concerns about the wild turkey and what's going to happen in the future as far as numbers and limits in our home states and counties. Nothing wrong whatsoever with good debate about all the problems we see and face in providing and protecting these resources. I do think people can over react to some of the controversial posts that are made on this forum, sometimes we may have way too much time on our hands for making these type posts. You take for instance a controversial post on this forum will get 5 / 6 pages of replies, while a post about something on how would you hunt this gobbler or what would you do in this situation will be lucky to get 6 / 10 replies from most all of use . As members of this forum, it's up to all of us to take this forum in the right direction. Running away from this forum or saying i just don't post a lot because a few bad apples isn't helping anyone on this forum. AS Shannon has said i have given you a platform now it's up to all of us to keep it DRAMA free with good discussions about all our concerns in hunting these turkeys. Name calling doesn't help anything or anyone on this forum, especially the wild turkeys. Sometimes we all need to look in the mirror and decide if this is the person i want to be today or if I want to do better including myself.. As Tom007 said it's still this best forum with a great bunch of people and i appreciate Shannon for giving us this forum. So whatever direction this forum takes, just remember your the one taking it in that direction with your post. IMO
So everyone has an opinion on everything, just a fact. Opinions are just that, your view of a certain topic. We dont hate each other because we disagree. If we all agreed 100% of the time we wouldnt need this or learn anything. Post your thoughts, ask your questions, but remember to be civil. Good humans are everywhere and in all places and different areas, just try to be one. I once had one of the most unuseful human beings tell me, " You not liking me and me not caring is like you drinking acid to spite me", lol. True words and I learned a valuable lesson from someone I never valued. See the irony. Just dont lose sight of what this is here and what we are all trying to do. Its our place to celebrate and discuss our turkey hunting ideas and triumphs. Better days are ahead. Z
We are lucky to be our own Stewards in control of our own destiny. Shannon and his wife set the stage for us, and for that we are we grateful. It's now up to us to continue the show....I sure look forward to this long lasting partnership.......
I always think it's funny when when a person complains about another person whom they think is complaining.
Lot of wisdom in this thread. We should all take the high road and police ourselves.
But I have to ask, what is a reaper?
Gee, I never looked at it that way.
Many good, constructive comments made above. I've hung around here for many years (too many, according to some :D ) and this place has been pretty constant throughout. To suggest that the "vigorous debates" we have had recently are out of the ordinary, and especially during the off-season...or should I say, right after the end of turkey season when our attitudes might be described as less-than-stellar...would, in itself, be debatable.
Participation on these forums starts with understanding that we all bring our own personalities to the mix and that a certain level of acceptance, tolerance, and patience is needed to make it work. Combining all those personalities, as well as recognizing that we all come from different situations and circumstances, and with widely varying histories and outlooks in this turkey hunting passion, and it is easy to see why there are times when any of us can get cranky about something.
The best advice I can come up with is to keep an attitude of good humor and adhere to the assumption that no one is trying to be offensive in their commentary,...even when it appears that perhaps they are. In short, we should all be like ducks and just let the water roll off of our backs. After all, we are all paddling around in the same pond. :D
If I don't like something, i don't respond, I have only saw one person shut down a few fourms, LFC!!
Quote from: GobbleNut on July 10, 2023, 10:55:26 PM
Many good, constructive comments made above. I've hung around here for many years (too many, according to some :D ) and this place has been pretty constant throughout. To suggest that the "vigorous debates" we have had recently are out of the ordinary, and especially during the off-season...or should I say, right after the end of turkey season when our attitudes might be described as less-than-stellar...would, in itself, be debatable.
Participation on these forums starts with understanding that we all bring our own personalities to the mix and that a certain level of acceptance, tolerance, and patience is needed to make it work. Combining all those personalities, as well as recognizing that we all come from different situations and circumstances, and with widely varying histories and outlooks in this turkey hunting passion, and it is easy to see why there are times when any of us can get cranky about something.
The best advice I can come up with is to keep an attitude of good humor and adhere to the assumption that no one is trying to be offensive in their commentary,...even when it appears that perhaps they are. In short, we should all be like ducks and just let the water roll off of our backs. After all, we are all paddling around in the same pond. :D
This sums it up perfectly.....well done
Quote from: 3bailey3 on July 10, 2023, 11:11:58 PM
.........I have only saw one person shut down a few fourms, LFC!!
The better forums shut HIM down and go on about their merry ways. This one included. ;D
Now, THERE..........would be a topic for lively debate !!! :TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:
If your a duck and your swimming in the same pond with other ducks then it's a fair assumption one of the other ducks just pooped in your pond, quack and get over it. It's what ducks do (or in this case turkey hunters), or fly off and look for your own little pond. As an old duck, I have decided it's more fun to swim around with other ducks, and poop in the water too.
Did I interpret that correctly gobblenut?
Civility is the key. So often today, we often discount even listening to another person's opinion. It would behoove us all to acknowledge that none of us is as smart as we might think we are or that someone else is as dense as we might think.
The simplest person you may meet knows things that neither you nor I know.
The status quo is sometimes best left alone, but sometimes challenging something that is legal or even illegal is beneficial even when it's not popular.
I think we need more dialogue and less debate. If you don't want to participate fine. However, adults should be able to have a reasoned dialogue without resorting to childlike name calling.
I'm pretty conservative in my political, religious and hunting views, but I have turkey hunting friends, yes friends, that have very different views. I've actually enjoyed discussing our differences and trying to get them to understand why I think the way that I do. Likewise, I learn a lot about why they think the way they think even though neither of us has shifted much at all. We agree to disagree.
Certainly, we should be able to discuss proposed changes to game laws without losing our minds. I plan on being at a SCDNR public meeting later this month to discuss just that. Hopefully the temperature in the room doesn't mirror the outside.
Quote from: PalmettoRon on July 11, 2023, 08:34:59 AM
Civility is the key. So often today, we often discount even listening to another person's opinion. It would behoove us all to acknowledge that none of us is as smart as we might think we are or that someone else is as dense as we might think.
The simplest person you may meet knows things that neither you nor I know.
The status quo is sometimes best left alone, but sometimes challenging something that is legal or even illegal is beneficial even when it's not popular.
I think we need more dialogue and less debate. If you don't want to participate fine. However, adults should be able to have a reasoned dialogue without resorting to childlike name calling.
I'm pretty conservative in my political, religious and hunting views, but I have turkey hunting friends, yes friends, that have very different views. I've actually enjoyed discussing our differences and trying to get them to understand why I think the way that I do. Likewise, I learn a lot about why they think the way they think even though neither of us has shifted much at all. We agree to disagree.
Certainly, we should be able to discuss proposed changes to game laws without losing our minds. I plan on being at a SCDNR public meeting later this month to discuss just that. Hopefully the temperature in the room doesn't mirror the outside.
Well said, I agree and plan on attending one of the SCDNR upcoming meetings as well and I too hope the temperature in the room doesn't get as hot as it's been outside this week.
Reads like a big time belly aching post belly aching about belly achers. Reaping should be banned by the way. It is a shortcut to a cheap kill and is extremely unsafe.
I think PamettoRon nailed the crux of the question, debate or dialogue is good if you approach the issue with an open mind and ear. If we are all saying the same thing them the pool of knowledge does not expand. If there is a different point of view entered into the discussion then knowledge is expanded. It may be an angle you had not thought of or a requirement that you did not know existed. You may not agree with the new point but it give you something to think about and prepare an argument for future discussion. My Dad used to say " no matter how smart you are or how tough you are there is always someone who is a little smarter or a little tougher".
You can always learn something new, and teach something new to someone. A forum is where you give your opinion and listen to others opinion. We don't always have to agree with what is said. This is one of the best forums I've been a part of! Thanks to those running the show. Sometimes we all need to start using the acronym ATD. Agree To Disagree
I suppose I am one of "those" on the fringe so to speak. I accept it. I remain civil and try to not make it personal. If someone takes my belief personally then the best I can do is say that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Truthfully, mine is just that- an opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right -yours doesn't make you right either. I would offer that most everyone on here has an issue of some sort with something somehow releated to Turkey hunting. If you set back passively and maintain " I sure hate to see hunters disagree" or " the antis sure love it when we fight" then the more aggressive will get their way despite a potential majority that oppose. Your presence on here indicates a passion for hunting the wild Turkey and for that hats off and much respect. Discussion leads to thought, thought to education, education to implementation. I want to hear differing opinions. I may not agree. It may make me think and change how I feel. Mines not the only side...
Quote from: Prospector on July 13, 2023, 07:48:44 PM
I suppose I am one of "those" on the fringe so to speak. I accept it. I remain civil and try to not make it personal. If someone takes my belief personally then the best I can do is say that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Truthfully, mine is just that- an opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right -yours doesn't make you right either. I would offer that most everyone on here has an issue of some sort with something somehow releated to Turkey hunting. If you set back passively and maintain " I sure hate to see hunters disagree" or " the antis sure love it when we fight" then the more aggressive will get their way despite a potential majority that oppose. Your presence on here indicates a passion for hunting the wild Turkey and for that hats off and much respect. Discussion leads to thought, thought to education, education to implementation. I want to hear differing opinions. I may not agree. It may make me think and change how I feel. Mines not the only side...
Especially well stated. Words to live by. :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
Some people are about looking cool to others and some people care about the bird. It should be fairly obvious to see where the two groups you mentioned fall.
I am one who use to visit this site quite often. I learned a lot and throughly enjoyed reading about places and techniques. Got a lot of good useful info. OG got me to try mouth calls again and try types of calls. Also purchase some very nice calls as well. Had a lot of good discussions of different topics.......that all seems to be a very long time ago.
Its seems to have distended to constant complaining about:
YouTubers destroy everything (see above)
Non-residents, loose lips sink ships
Reaping - oh the horror (see above)
We hate NWTF
Look through the general forum see anything that catches your attention? Maybe.
I'll continue to check in but less and less frequently because if I want hear constant complaining and bad news I'll turn on the TV.
Someone mentioned Florida Sportsman magazine dropping their forum section. I use to visit that site regularly. But a few belittled others when information was given freely or people asked questions. Slowly over time only a handful of people still posted........to complain and fuss about what ever they perceived to be destroying their hunting. And now it's no more.
For you all who think YouTube, DNR recruiting or too many loose lips are ruining your hunting. Have any of you used Artificial intelligence apps? OpenAI, ChatGPT or Google Bard? Pop a turkey hunting question, or any question, in there see what you get.
I'm LMAO just thinking about it.
Quote from: g8rvet on July 10, 2023, 01:17:39 PM
I like coming on here and talking turkey.
I cannot fathom giving the slightest da** about what anyone else thinks about the way I hunt or the need to defend it to anyone. The only thing I care less about than that is the way others hunt that don't affect me.
People whining on a random board have exactly ZERO effect on a State's biological plan for wildlife. Let me restate-ZERO EFFECT. Unless the person lecturing and whining actually serves on a governing body, their opinions are completely disconnected from the reality of what happens in their state with the sole ability each of us have to go to meetings and have our voice heard.
I usually just stay off the reaping/decoy/TSS threads, except with an occasional smart alec drive-by for humor. It has all been said before. Also, the block feature is really effective and easy.
I'm too old to give a dam about what other's think except for keep your business in your own blind.
Vet man how you doing? Hope all is well with you. I've had a very very tough 2 years. But still kicking. Bubba
Sorry to hear that Chief. Hope you are doing better. I have all but quit duck hunting in Florida - too many people and not enough birds and not enough energy to get up at 2 in the morning for 2 ringers. I pretty much enjoy my Canada trip and turkey hunting now. I know the old forums are down and everything is on Facebook, but I don't look at that much except to see babies and grandbabies.
I guess I still struggle to understand why discussions or debates on what many consider critical subjects are such a horrible thing within the turkey hunting community. In today's world, I guess we just "take our ball and go home" when it doesn't suit us. Until I hear solid arguments that support the POSITIVES with such things as.....posting specific On-X marks to specific turkeys on a FB page with thousands of members, states paying YouTube influencers to promote public land and then reducing opportunity the next year, sharing pictures at WMA signs, etc. to name a few examples. If we can't discuss these, then apparently we don't have limits. Convince me of the positives for turkey populations (localized and broad scale) and the future of turkey hunting (opportunities and sustainability), then I'll just go with the flow. Yet, not one person in many discussions or debates have provided a single positive. Labeling me or others as jealous or elitists is not a good, sound argument to support any of it. I struggle with the apathy of "it's just a sign of the times. Adapt or quit." That's not acceptable for me personally.
I don't see any discussions just complaining. Constant complaining.
So what has the complaining accomplish? Nothing. Has all the complaining changed any of this
posting specific On-X marks to specific turkeys on a FB page with thousands of members, states paying YouTube influencers to promote public land and then reducing opportunity the next year, sharing pictures at WMA signs, etc. to name a few examples
The only thing the constant complaining has accomplish is shut down topics like, where I'd like to hunt next, What are good states to travel too, etc. etc.
Quote from: Crghss on July 17, 2023, 04:23:45 PM
The only thing the constant complaining has accomplish is shut down topics like, where I'd like to hunt next, What are good states to travel too, etc. etc.
Just file me under complainer and Grumpy old SOB. I had one location blown up by Social media types and in two years it got hammered and over killed. The birds left and haven't been back and I think the hoards literally killed every gobbler in the valley, I'm not kidding. They were camping in the roost sites. If you want to test it just post the GPS of your favorite spot and see what happens.
Quote from: eggshell on July 17, 2023, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: Crghss on July 17, 2023, 04:23:45 PM
The only thing the constant complaining has accomplish is shut down topics like, where I'd like to hunt next, What are good states to travel too, etc. etc.
Just file me under complainer and Grumpy old SOB. I had one location blown up by Social media types and in two years it got hammered and over killed. The birds left and haven't been back and I think the hoards literally killed every gobbler in the valley, I'm not kidding. They were camping in the roost sites. If you want to test it just post the GPS of your favorite spot and see what happens.
Feel free to encroach on my spot guys! (-43.9218052, 171.2380493)
Obvious solution - ban social media. Won't happen for about a dozen reasons. Next obvious solutions - shorter seasons and reduced limits - or maybe quota hunts. Don't want to hear any solution that doesn't include the word BAN your heads in the sand. Look at the writing on the wall. You've been dealt a losing hand.
bwhana, I believe that is against forum rules posting other members personal information without permmission. I am reporting it.
Quote from: Crghss on July 17, 2023, 04:23:45 PM
I don't see any discussions just complaining. Constant complaining.
So what has the complaining accomplish? Nothing. Has all the complaining changed any of this
posting specific On-X marks to specific turkeys on a FB page with thousands of members, states paying YouTube influencers to promote public land and then reducing opportunity the next year, sharing pictures at WMA signs, etc. to name a few examples
The only thing the constant complaining has accomplish is shut down topics like, where I'd like to hunt next, What are good states to travel too, etc. etc.
Critiques and opposite opinions of one's own steps on toes. Feelings get hurt. That's what I see. So will change come if it's not discussed? Absolutely not. The "oh, shucks" attitude and holding hands around the campfire so as not to offend someone will only lead us farther down a road to the point of no return.
I think to claim it's nothing but complaining, states that you just don't want to hear those opinions or you find them offensive, because there have been some well presented comments that are far and above complaining.
Quote from: joey46 on July 17, 2023, 05:20:42 PM
Obvious solution - ban social media. Won't happen for about a dozen reasons. Next obvious solutions - shorter seasons and reduced limits - or maybe quota hunts. Don't want to hear any solution that doesn't include the word BAN your heads in the sand. Look at the writing on the wall. You've been dealt a losing hand.
I've lived the reduction in harvests..... shorter seasons, restrict jakes, no fall season. It has done as designed, to reduce harvest. Yet, our population continues to struggle in many areas of my state. We have less turkeys, more turkey hunters, and probably a larger percentage of gobblers in the overall population being removed. There needs to be a better long term plan, because the states that are just now adopting that philosophy could wake up in 10 years and have seen no improvement, or even a decrease, if other measures aren't taken.
I think you have drawn the line with a fear of the word "ban", when in reality we have to set conservative guidelines or this ship is going to sink. Where will it end? The result will be continued loss of opportunity and loss of interest in the conservation of populations.
Would you rather tweak some methods / tools and have a longer season, thus more opportunity to hunt?
OR
Roll on as is, with two possible scenarios:
1. Be on a limited draw, maybe lucky to hunt other year.
2. Season length cut drastically.
I'd take more opportunity to hunt all day long. If it comes down to it, I'd "ban" everything necessary with opportunity as the very last. The sad thing is we can't police our own, because there is no limitation to what many would go to kill a turkey. Baiting turkeys during season is on a drastic rise in my area, with several being caught and others sought after. Why? I'd say pressure in today's culture to show off a dead turkey.
Quote from: bwhana on July 17, 2023, 04:44:31 PM
Feel free to encroach on my spot guys! (-43.9218052, 171.2380493)
Hopefully I make it there someday.....
Don't we all. And the :deadhorse: continues.
Quote from: Crghss on July 17, 2023, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: bwhana on July 17, 2023, 04:44:31 PM
Feel free to encroach on my spot guys! (-43.9218052, 171.2380493)
Hopefully I make it there someday.....
I would too, that is about the center of the island, so it seemed like a good spot to claim. I hope all die hard turkey hunters could have the opportunity to go there someday!
Crghss,
I assume you know he posted the Geo location of my internet service provider to either be funny or for spite. Either way you won't find any turkey hunting secrets if you go to that IP address.
It doesn't matter, most of you know I am in southern Ohio. We're not exactly a destination spot for turkey hunting. We have birds just like thousands of other areas, some better some worse, mostly average. It does make my point why social media can be a dangerous and detrimental place. I would never under any circumstance post someone's personal location even if it's just a general region. However, if you want to come hunt that area, good luck if your hunting public you'll have lots of company.
Quote from: eggshell on July 17, 2023, 07:00:31 PM
Crghss,
I assume you know he posted the Geo location of my internet service provider to either be funny or for spite. Either way you won't find any turkey hunting secrets if you go to that IP address.
It doesn't matter, most of you know I am in southern Ohio. We're not exactly a destination spot for turkey hunting. We have birds just like thousands of other areas, some better some worse, mostly average. It does make my point why social media can be a dangerous and detrimental place. I would never under any circumstance post someone's personal location even if it's just a general region. However, if you want to come hunt that area, good luck if your hunting public you'll have lots of company.
He put the Latitude and longitude for Geraldine, New Zealand.
Believe or not there are Merriam Turkey there.
I promise not to tell the YouTubers
Quote from: Crghss on July 17, 2023, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: eggshell on July 17, 2023, 07:00:31 PM
Crghss,
I assume you know he posted the Geo location of my internet service provider to either be funny or for spite. Either way you won't find any turkey hunting secrets if you go to that IP address.
It doesn't matter, most of you know I am in southern Ohio. We're not exactly a destination spot for turkey hunting. We have birds just like thousands of other areas, some better some worse, mostly average. It does make my point why social media can be a dangerous and detrimental place. I would never under any circumstance post someone's personal location even if it's just a general region. However, if you want to come hunt that area, good luck if your hunting public you'll have lots of company.
He put the Latitude and longitude for Geraldine, New Zealand.
Believe or not there are Merriam Turkey there.
I promise not to tell the YouTubers
Bingo!
Ok Now I have egg on my face. I searched those coordinates as an IP and it came back to a local server. I owe you an apology bwhanna. I'm man enough to admit I made a mistake, I'm sorry. I wondered how you got that through a proxy VPN and I have no idea why it warned me someone had accessed my location. Still if you ever come to southern Ohio, good luck.
The forum and it's upkeep have zero to do with "cabin fever season '
I have multiple gps locations for southern Ohio(mostly Meigs County) in my Garmin and guessed there was something funny going on. The app I use to map coordinates while stealing spots and cyber scouting wouldn't take the 171 latitude. :goofball:
Since New Zealand is on the other side of the equator our winter is their spring. The old NWTF forum had a few guys that did hunt it for Merriams. One long plane ride. I'll bet there's a New Zealand turkey hunt somewhere on social media. If so New Zealand doomed for some future bannings :bike2:
Yep Joey, I relize that now. I should have used google earth. I feel pretty silly, but that feeling becomes a lot more familar in my old age. I'll take my beating with humility and keep on with more caution. My coordinates are an hour or two from yours, but not that far. I truly hate when I let my emotions over rule common sense and due dilgence, but it happens. I hope bwhanah will foregive me.
I'll bet he will. The amount of back and forth banter in this thread is almost a record setter. Almost afraid to post anything with even a hint of sarcasm. I don't really use my GPS to mark other's spots. The OnX app will take care of that. :funnyturkey:
If there was one surprise it was how many are happy to throw another legal hunter's style and methods under the bus. Key word here is LEGAL.
If I remember correctly OHIO 2023/24 regulations are publized August 1st. Curious if the turkey limit will remain at one and if any non-res restrictions are added to appease the vocal activist. I'm betting it will be harder to reverse a regulation than it was to implement one. We will see. Good luck.
Quote from: joey46 on July 18, 2023, 07:52:10 AM
If I remember correctly OHIO 2023/24 regulations are publized August 1st. Curious if the turkey limit will remain at one and if any non-res restrictions are added to appease the vocal activist. I'm betting it will be harder to reverse a regulation than it was to implement one. We will see. Good luck.
You got that exactly right. I worked in the system and I still never figured out why it was so difficult to change things. The trouble is that rule making and regulatory proposals go through so many reviews and not all of them are by the Wildlife managers. So you find a reluctance to go undo something when you know someone is going to challenge why you done it in the first place if it wasn't necessary. That and human nature just hates being wrong. The limit is still 1 bearded birds for 2024 and still 4 weeks. Personally I'm in your camp, just make the season shorter, two to three weeks is enough. That would effect the harvest way more than the limit reduction. They did reduce the fall season to 4 weeks from 6 weeks. I'd like to see it at 2-3 at the most. The die hard turkey hunters would still get their birds and be happy. Almost all the regular guys I know that annually tag out do it in the first 10 days of season whether that's 1 or two birds. Now they hunt and pass birds until they see what they want. The limit of one does save jakes as most guys forego shooting jakes with a 1 bird limit. I think this hurts the flock as more mature breeders and dominate birds are being killed.
There is an episode on the Meateater series on YouTube that agrees completely that the current No Jake theory is not really such a good idea or a necessary one. Involves an old time retired biologist from SC. Worth watching for some to get an alternate opinion. The new breed here seems firmly in the Zero Jake camp.
Everyone is entitled to opinions, but may not have the same views as you do of people / hunters or the forum in general. IMO
This forum is fine. It is overrun with so many - my way or the highway post. I'll continue to take an alternate view and use a decoy if I feel like it, always use TSS and do other things apparently no longer acceptable to the cool guys who think they can ban their way back to the glory days of the 1990s. Won't happen but give it your best shot (lead loads only please).
Quote from: joey46 on July 18, 2023, 02:21:44 PM
This forum is fine. It is overrun with so many - my way or the highway post. I'll continue to take an alternate view and use a decoy if I feel like it, always use TSS and do other things apparently no longer acceptable to the cool guys who think they can ban their way back to the glory days of the 1990s. Won't happen but give it your best shot (lead loads only please).
Just opinions, hoping common sense and checks & balances are involved as we continue to progress forward. If turkeys were an infinite resource, no big deal. In reality, that's not the case. I don't think those with questions and concerns are the "cool guys" in this scenario. Just my OPINION.
Quote from: eggshell on July 17, 2023, 08:46:19 PM
Ok Now I have egg on my face. I searched those coordinates as an IP and it came back to a local server. I owe you an apology bwhanna. I'm man enough to admit I made a mistake, I'm sorry. I wondered how you got that through a proxy VPN and I have no idea why it warned me someone had accessed my location. Still if you ever come to southern Ohio, good luck.
All good, just having some fun and taking the thread "down under" a bit!
Great place with some great people and a ton to be learned. There are some that want to do nothing but argue, stir the pot and build their own ego but most are good people.
I have not been one of the good people since December when my sister died, I know I have not been the easiest to get along with since she died here or "in real life? as it is said and I am sorry for that, I am not dealing with it well at all and I am sorry if I have been a jerk to any of you, it is a reason I have been staying away a lot lately.
One thing I do think has hurt the site was Covid, we got an influx of people and for the most part not the good kind though we have picked up some good ones for sure. Many just want to ruin the word games by being perverts, want to start up subjects that they know will cause problems and they go out of their way to word them in a way that will get people going and so on. Also some that caused problems in the sales page.
All that said I still enjoy being here and the vast majority of the members here.
Sorry about your sister. RIP.
This would be one boring place if everybody is a yes man. I'm more than good with giving an alternate opinion on this population crisis and will continue to do so. I'm good until some nitwit sends me threatening PMs. I'll then watch all his post like a circling buzzard. These forums do attract all the good, the bad and the ugly.
Words of wisdom.
Those that stir the pot should be required to lick the spoon!
Quote from: joey46 on July 19, 2023, 10:43:30 AM
Sorry about your sister. RIP.
This would be one boring place if everybody is a yes man. I'm more than good with giving an alternate opinion on this population crisis and will continue to do so. I'm good until some nitwit sends me threatening PMs. I'll then watch all his post like a circling buzzard. These forums do attract all the good, the bad and the ugly.
Thank you.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 19, 2023, 07:07:32 AM
Great place with some great people and a ton to be learned. There are some that want to do nothing but argue, stir the pot and build their own ego but most are good people.
I have not been one of the good people since December when my sister died, I know I have not been the easiest to get along with since she died here or "in real life? as it is said and I am sorry for that, I am not dealing with it well at all and I am sorry if I have been a jerk to any of you, it is a reason I have been staying away a lot lately.
One thing I do think has hurt the site was Covid, we got an influx of people and for the most part not the good kind though we have picked up some good ones for sure. Many just want to ruin the word games by being perverts, want to start up subjects that they know will cause problems and they go out of their way to word them in a way that will get people going and so on. Also some that caused problems in the sales page.
All that said I still enjoy being here and the vast majority of the members here.
Steve, so sorry to hear about your sister. You are and always will be a quality contributor and good friend to this forum. You are the first to help our new members with picture posting, and you are always willing to help with anyones needs. You helped me learn to load photos on the site and have always been a welcome mat for new members. Glad to have you Steve, be safe.....
Quote from: Tom007 on July 19, 2023, 06:33:39 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 19, 2023, 07:07:32 AM
Great place with some great people and a ton to be learned. There are some that want to do nothing but argue, stir the pot and build their own ego but most are good people.
I have not been one of the good people since December when my sister died, I know I have not been the easiest to get along with since she died here or "in real life? as it is said and I am sorry for that, I am not dealing with it well at all and I am sorry if I have been a jerk to any of you, it is a reason I have been staying away a lot lately.
One thing I do think has hurt the site was Covid, we got an influx of people and for the most part not the good kind though we have picked up some good ones for sure. Many just want to ruin the word games by being perverts, want to start up subjects that they know will cause problems and they go out of their way to word them in a way that will get people going and so on. Also some that caused problems in the sales page.
All that said I still enjoy being here and the vast majority of the members here.
Steve, so sorry to hear about your sister. You are and always will be a quality contributor and good friend to this forum. You are the first to help our new members with picture posting, and you are always willing to help with anyones needs. You helped me learn to load photos on the site and have always been a welcome mat for new members. Glad to have you Steve, be safe.....
Thank you very much Tom.
Well,
If anyone recalls I wrote up a post about 2 weeks ago and it was removed within 12 hours because I committed the ultimate sin of calling out America's favorite camo company for price gouging their vests, and calling out the guy who made cigars and leafy suits famous.
That was disappointing as I'm sure many folks would've enjoyed engaging in that thread.
Guess this forum is now an echo chambe, a place to discuss 4th of July meals, summer vacations, and comment on the 3 word story thread.
ALL threads that are removed from this forum are made by Shannon and no one else... You can message him and i'm sure he will discuss his reasons for deleting any posts / post on this forum. Everyone has to remember, it's Shannon's forum and he gives us the opportunity to enjoy it and follow his rules..
Look around the internet for a better forum of basically like minded individuals. I havent seen one. Bottom line here is that we all enjoy turkey hunting, forget the regional differences and opinions, that has never changed. Someone raised in New England cannot understand the ways of the MIdwest or the South, and why does anybody think being different or disagreeing is not good or "hateful", lol. If we all agreed on every topic then what a boring unlearning world we would be living in. Take each post for what it is, agree or not as long as it isnt personal or threatening and is within the rules of this forum, who cares what someone elses opinion is. Its theirs, not yours. Enjoy your life, enjoy turkeys and please be at pesce with yourself, thats when fringe crap wont bother you. :z-twocents: :z-twocents: God Bless, I am going on vacation for 2 weeks, lol. Z
Over all great forum. Helpful members with loads of entertaining banter. It's gotten a little more confrontational than before, but heck I came here from AcheryTalk were it's always a zoo.....
Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on July 20, 2023, 11:19:26 PM
Well,
If anyone recalls I wrote up a post about 2 weeks ago and it was removed within 12 hours because I committed the ultimate sin of calling out America's favorite camo company for price gouging their vests, and calling out the guy who made cigars and leafy suits famous.
That was disappointing as I'm sure many folks would've enjoyed engaging in that thread.
Guess this forum is now an echo chambe, a place to discuss 4th of July meals, summer vacations, and comment on the 3 word story thread.
If there's one thing i've learned over my past two decades of turkey hunting....
DO NOT cast the slightest negative commentary towards the camo company. And god forbid you say anything negative about someone exploiting our public land resources! Especially if they have prior wildlife violations that almost resulted in Lacey Act felony charges!
On another note. We got some grumpy old men on here who fit the 'epitome' of a grumpy old man.
I'm sure I come across as a grumpy old man at times, but I truly try not to be that way in real life. As we get older we do get more opinionated and it's territory all will face unless you die young. I think a large proportion of us are in our senior years and that may cause some of the conflict, because the young mind and senior mind does not think the same.
I have been involved in several forums and I have come to personally know several people I met through forums. Some I consider to be very good friends. I think that internet forums do not paint true pictures of who people are in real life. Most of us try to offer our thoughts and opinions as precise and compact as possible to avoid writing thesis and that means we often do a poor job of expressing ourselves. Then it's left up to the reader to interpret these post the way they would a conversation. This leads to problems because in conversations you can read a persons attitude and get quick corrections. On a forum it's written and read and then left to be taken in multiple ways. I am guilty of letting my emotions tell me things that aren't true and I often am aggravated at myself for reacting wrongly. I guess what I am saying is to be careful about making judgements simply from a forum post, ask questions and join in the discussion.
I bet that many of us that have had disagreements and even been pissed at each other would actually get along just fine hunting together in the turkey woods. I can honestly say everyone I have ever met in person from a forum have been very nice people. So I think we're doing just fine and if anything we just need to step back our emotional responses a tad. Even when it's gotten heated I think it's still been respectful and I appreciate that....carry on
I really liked watching that old iconic movie made in 1993 called : Grumpy Old Men............... :TooFunny:
Quote from: Greg Massey on July 23, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
I really liked watching that old iconic movie made in 1993 called : Grumpy Old Men............... :TooFunny:
Been to slippery's in Wabasha a couple times. It's not the same bar portrayed in the movie.
I just laugh when others disagree with my views !
Because , im always right ! ... just ask my wife , she will 100% vouch for this ...
Quote from: eggshell on July 23, 2023, 07:28:43 AM
I'm sure I come across as a grumpy old man at times, but I truly try not to be that way in real life. As we get older we do get more opinionated and it's territory all will face unless you die young. I think a large proportion of us are in our senior years and that may cause some of the conflict, because the young mind and senior mind does not think the same.
I have been involved in several forums and I have come to personally know several people I met through forums. Some I consider to be very good friends. I think that internet forums do not paint true pictures of who people are in real life. Most of us try to offer our thoughts and opinions as precise and compact as possible to avoid writing thesis and that means we often do a poor job of expressing ourselves. Then it's left up to the reader to interpret these post the way they would a conversation. This leads to problems because in conversations you can read a persons attitude and get quick corrections. On a forum it's written and read and then left to be taken in multiple ways. I am guilty of letting my emotions tell me things that aren't true and I often am aggravated at myself for reacting wrongly. I guess what I am saying is to be careful about making judgements simply from a forum post, ask questions and join in the discussion.
I bet that many of us that have had disagreements and even been pissed at each other would actually get along just fine hunting together in the turkey woods. I can honestly say everyone I have ever met in person from a forum have been very nice people. So I think we're doing just fine and if anything we just need to step back our emotional responses a tad. Even when it's gotten heated I think it's still been respectful and I appreciate that....carry on
Can't agree more with you!
We, meaning me and all of us on here, sometimes forget that the majority of folks here ultimately share a common passion for some crazy birds. This is a hard core group, not beginners and intermediates for the most part.
We would all get along just sharing a campfire given the opportunity, despite having some different opinions on methods and techniques along the way. Much better to admire and respect the common things we share and appreciate all the good things on the site.
Quote from: bwhana on July 23, 2023, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: eggshell on July 23, 2023, 07:28:43 AM
I'm sure I come across as a grumpy old man at times, but I truly try not to be that way in real life. As we get older we do get more opinionated and it's territory all will face unless you die young. I think a large proportion of us are in our senior years and that may cause some of the conflict, because the young mind and senior mind does not think the same.
I have been involved in several forums and I have come to personally know several people I met through forums. Some I consider to be very good friends. I think that internet forums do not paint true pictures of who people are in real life. Most of us try to offer our thoughts and opinions as precise and compact as possible to avoid writing thesis and that means we often do a poor job of expressing ourselves. Then it's left up to the reader to interpret these post the way they would a conversation. This leads to problems because in conversations you can read a persons attitude and get quick corrections. On a forum it's written and read and then left to be taken in multiple ways. I am guilty of letting my emotions tell me things that aren't true and I often am aggravated at myself for reacting wrongly. I guess what I am saying is to be careful about making judgements simply from a forum post, ask questions and join in the discussion.
I bet that many of us that have had disagreements and even been pissed at each other would actually get along just fine hunting together in the turkey woods. I can honestly say everyone I have ever met in person from a forum have been very nice people. So I think we're doing just fine and if anything we just need to step back our emotional responses a tad. Even when it's gotten heated I think it's still been respectful and I appreciate that....carry on
Can't agree more with you!
We, meaning me and all of us on here, sometimes forget that the majority of folks here ultimately share a common passion for some crazy birds. This is a hard core group, not beginners and intermediates for the most part.
We would all get along just sharing a campfire given the opportunity, despite having some different opinions on methods and techniques along the way. Much better to admire and respect the common things we share and appreciate all the good things on the site.
Ditto
Quote from: Turkeybutt on July 24, 2023, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: bwhana on July 23, 2023, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: eggshell on July 23, 2023, 07:28:43 AM
I'm sure I come across as a grumpy old man at times, but I truly try not to be that way in real life. As we get older we do get more opinionated and it's territory all will face unless you die young. I think a large proportion of us are in our senior years and that may cause some of the conflict, because the young mind and senior mind does not think the same.
I have been involved in several forums and I have come to personally know several people I met through forums. Some I consider to be very good friends. I think that internet forums do not paint true pictures of who people are in real life. Most of us try to offer our thoughts and opinions as precise and compact as possible to avoid writing thesis and that means we often do a poor job of expressing ourselves. Then it's left up to the reader to interpret these post the way they would a conversation. This leads to problems because in conversations you can read a persons attitude and get quick corrections. On a forum it's written and read and then left to be taken in multiple ways. I am guilty of letting my emotions tell me things that aren't true and I often am aggravated at myself for reacting wrongly. I guess what I am saying is to be careful about making judgements simply from a forum post, ask questions and join in the discussion.
I bet that many of us that have had disagreements and even been pissed at each other would actually get along just fine hunting together in the turkey woods. I can honestly say everyone I have ever met in person from a forum have been very nice people. So I think we're doing just fine and if anything we just need to step back our emotional responses a tad. Even when it's gotten heated I think it's still been respectful and I appreciate that....carry on
Can't agree more with you!
We, meaning me and all of us on here, sometimes forget that the majority of folks here ultimately share a common passion for some crazy birds. This is a hard core group, not beginners and intermediates for the most part.
We would all get along just sharing a campfire given the opportunity, despite having some different opinions on methods and techniques along the way. Much better to admire and respect the common things we share and appreciate all the good things on the site.
Ditto
Sums it up!
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on July 22, 2023, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: TurkeyReaper69 on July 20, 2023, 11:19:26 PM
Well,
If anyone recalls I wrote up a post about 2 weeks ago and it was removed within 12 hours because I committed the ultimate sin of calling out America's favorite camo company for price gouging their vests, and calling out the guy who made cigars and leafy suits famous.
That was disappointing as I'm sure many folks would've enjoyed engaging in that thread.
Guess this forum is now an echo chambe, a place to discuss 4th of July meals, summer vacations, and comment on the 3 word story thread.
If there's one thing i've learned over my past two decades of turkey hunting....
DO NOT cast the slightest negative commentary towards the camo company. And god forbid you say anything negative about someone exploiting our public land resources! Especially if they have prior wildlife violations that almost resulted in Lacey Act felony charges!
If it got removed for simply taking a shot at the camo company, that really reflects horribly on the future of this forum. I know that sometimes things get removed because they become personal attacks, but if you just voiced your concerns on how over price of the Fox vest, then I'd be done with this forum for good.
I applaud the form administrator for allowing this thread, started 7/10, to continue reaching now close to 2800 views. I intended it to be a hoot. Certainly turned out that way. Will drop off now to let things calm down and shake out. If anyone was offended be assured that is was intentional. Hunt legally and leave others alone is a good motto to live by. Good luck to all.
#1 rule with and social site, club, organization is....people come and revisit because it's a enjoyable experience..
Sit back and think about for a spell ,
...unlike a great place that produces a product like food ...that keeps you coming back , Oldgobbler shares information, communication and a friendly atmosphere...when a person is identified to habitually spreading a bad experience...that's the same as having a place sell bad food that makes people sick....so the "health board" does a inspection..and cleans it up
There is a reason the site has lasted so long , and that is because we have such great members, I could probably write a book on the subject
Shannon
Quote from: Old Gobbler on July 24, 2023, 12:58:07 PM
#1 rule with and social site, club, organization is....people come and revisit because it's a enjoyable experience..
Sit back and think about for a spell ,
...unlike a great place that produces a product like food ...that keeps you coming back , Oldgobbler shares information, communication and a friendly atmosphere...when a person is identified to habitually spreading a bad experience...that's the same as having a place sell bad food that makes people sick....so the "health board" does a inspection..and cleans it up
There is a reason the site has lasted so long , and that is because we have such great members, I could probably write a book on the subject
Shannon
I would read it. I know one name that would have it's own chapter. ;D :z-guntootsmiley:
Keeping it enjoyable is the challenge. I have found that keeping the contention out of people's passion is a tough road. We are all passionate about this sport and passion is when something is burnt into your soul. I stirs emotions and reaction. when you list the things in life that you are passionate about the list will identify all the things you will go to war over and protect with all your heart. Loosing them is like cutting out a piece of your soul. Understanding this concept should help us in keeping our discussions civil, fruitful and enjoyable. Everyone experiences their passions differently and develop views from a diverse life experience, so we often do not see details the same. Just as the use of many colors properly applied to a canvas make a beautiful painting so does the proper application of many views of the same passion. Grace and and forgiveness are the best rules for keeping this enjoyable. The pursuit of shared joys, knowledge and differing opinions are the fuel. It's ok to start a hot fire to sit around and roast some wieners, but not ok to burn down the house. Thank you Shannon for letting the camp fires burn hot, but saving the house at times.
:newmascot:
Quote from: joey46 on July 24, 2023, 10:26:53 AM
I applaud the form administrator for allowing this thread, started 7/10, to continue reaching now close to 2800 views. I intended it to be a hoot. Certainly turned out that way. Will drop off now to let things calm down and shake out. If anyone was offended be assured that is was intentional. Hunt legally and leave others alone is a good motto to live by. Good luck to all.
Yessir. Though my opinion may differ from many, I am in no way preparing to break out the torches and pitchforks about those differences . As long as you are hunting within the laws it doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else thinks. Good luck and GOD Bless.