As most probably know, birds can see in a different range of colors. UV being the subject of this post, do you feel that this is something that limits your success? Example. Gobbler comes in and stops 75 yards out and stretch up, fixs his wings, and putts. Slips away out of your life forever. Alot of the new camo clothing is made from material other than cotton. Any info or comments or experiences? This was a discussion my brother and I had yesterday. Interested in input from the forum here.
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I personally think they see things the way we do, just better. Personally, I treat my clothes for it just in case, though.
Yeah I think UV plays a good part in what they can see. I remember listening to a podcast not to long ago where they were talking about them creating their photoform decoys and how they were getting terrible results due to them not being UV treated. I don't wear my first lite stuff because it glows under a uv light.
Lots of birds have vision that see different wave lengths of light and color way better than we do. I think UV is an issue in certain light conditions. Especially early morning / low light. I don't wash any hunting clothes in soap that has brighteners and treat all my turkey clothes in UV killing spray. So that and sit still and you'll be okay
Does anyone have a homemade recipe for UV spray ?
Quote from: Greg Massey on January 29, 2023, 07:27:23 PM
Does anyone have a homemade recipe for UV spray ?
I always just used that ATSCO stuff.
Consider this. Years back they sold uv killer sprays. Maybe again now? Idk. The animal they targeted were deer hunters. I was shooting 12-13 deer a year mostly bucks. I used the spray than stopped. I was averaging the same success. Turkey seems to mind not too much if it's real still. I wear plain bdus, untreated, any jacket I feel is warm enough. When younger my kids wore clothes their mom or grandma washed in all sorts of uv brightener stuff. I've never seen a bird come over the hill and notice if they were still. To each his own, I guess it could never hurt to do more but imagine being scent free turkey hunting. It's doing more but is it helping? Not really right, this is how I view it. Too many times something is marketed to empty your pocket, let's say turkey could see more ultraviolet spectrum. Does that mean it spooks them? If yes, Than shoot, hang a towel the way you don't want them to go and sit uv free this way. Heck ring a roost tree 3/4 of the way with uv stuff. Birds gotta come to you if that was the case wouldn't they? All equal odds imo w or without the lack of uv.
Personally, I feel that sitting still and setup in a place that provides natural cover or a tree wide enough to cover your outline are the most important things. Interesting to hear everyone's thoughts though.
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Quote from: Cowboy on January 30, 2023, 05:43:20 AM
Personally, I feel that sitting still and setup in a place that provides natural cover or a tree wide enough to cover your outline are the most important things.
I agree with this whole heartedly! Sometimes we tend to over think things when it just comes down to a few basics. Proper sit up, camo of some sort, calls you have confidence in and patience.
Patience kills more turkeys then anything in my opinion.
I 100% agree with the don't move belief. It is not the UV glow or anything your wearing that spooks turkeys. it's movement. The downside to wearing something more noticeable is it makes them look at you more. Once noticed they will see you move. Here's one thing that many hunters over look, blinking is movement. A buddy of mine put me on to this years ago. After I had a bird spook for no reason he told me, quit staring at those birds, they see you blinking. I started turning my eyes away and focusing down as much as possible and I have noticed less skiddish birds.
Definitely can see UV. I looked this info up last year when people were talking about green lights. I forget wether it's rods or cones but turkeys have more of the ones that see the color spectrum in their eyes. Apparently hens can tell how good of shape a gobbler is in by the UV light he reflects.
Dull and dingy and he's not scoring!
Quote from: Cowboy on January 29, 2023, 06:30:33 PM
As most probably know, birds can see in a different range of colors. UV being the subject of this post, do you feel that this is something that limits your success? Example. Gobbler comes in and stops 75 yards out and stretch up, fixs his wings, and putts. Slips away out of your life forever. Alot of the new camo clothing is made from material other than cotton. Any info or comments or experiences? This was a discussion my brother and I had yesterday. Interested in input from the forum here.
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First off, UV reflectivity in relation to deer is complete hogwash. Second, the products that claim to reduce UV are ineffective.
Now, how this hoax got transferred to Turkey is beyond me.
Turkeys have superior eyesight to humans in the respect that they can detect minute amounts of movement better than we can. However, even that can fooled. They have almost no 3D vision. They have to be concentrated on you (the front 2%) of their FOV to get a 3D view. They also have no concept of this-is-in-that or this-is-behind-that. This makes them oblivious to hunters inside pop-ups.
UV? This was elephant repellant from the get-go.
Quote from: eggshell on January 30, 2023, 06:57:16 AM
I 100% agree with the don't move belief. It is not the UV glow or anything your wearing that spooks turkeys. it's movement. The downside to wearing something more noticeable is it makes them look at you more. Once noticed they will see you move. Here's one thing that many hunters over look, blinking is movement. A buddy of mine put me on to this years ago. After I had a bird spook for no reason he told me, quit staring at those birds, they see you blinking. I started turning my eyes away and focusing down as much as possible and I have noticed less skiddish birds.
I noticed this as a youngster, I always tip my head/hat brim down below their eyes so they can't see my face/eyes.
Fellas an interesting poll could happen. There's some real turkey slayers on here. I bet many have killed well over 100 birds. Why don't someone start a poll to see just how many got killed by folks even considering uv killer in a dream? Ask them to guess or post a rough number just to help with take numbers. It could even be birds they guided, mentored others. Obviously they would need to say they use it or not. Won't prove it helped em but You'll quickly see it doesn't matter.
I would bet that some do and some don't. I personally have killed turkeys while wearing treated clothes and also with non-treated clothes. I usually treat mine just in case, but I ain't gonna lose sleep or stay home if they aren't. It's kinda like scent control for deer. I personally do nothing more than occasionally wash my hunting clothes with baking soda and play the wind. I feel that if the wind is wrong, then they are gonna smell you no matter what. But I ain't gonna knock the guy that obsesses over every little thing trying to eliminate it. If it gives them confidence, then so be it.
Yup on the eyes thing. Animals know eyes. I squint my eyes mostly looking through my eyelashes, just open enough to see my target. Turkeys and deer. It works.
I went 'round with Atsko back in 2008. Here's a link to the conversation.
https://genesis9.angzva.com/?cat=11
It's in reverse order. Start at the oldest and work to the newest, and you'll get a better picture.
It took me a while to finally get my mind around the con job. I don't feel bad. I have a buddy who is a PHD in Chemistry and I had to explain it long and slow to him as well.
Look, if spraying the stuff on your clothes makes you feel invisible, go for it.
Quote from: Happy on January 30, 2023, 07:46:43 AM
I would bet that some do and some don't. I personally have killed turkeys while wearing treated clothes and also with non-treated clothes. I usually treat mine just in case, but I ain't gonna lose sleep or stay home if they aren't. It's kinda like scent control for deer. I personally do nothing more than occasionally wash my hunting clothes with baking soda and play the wind. I feel that if the wind is wrong, then they are gonna smell you no matter what. But I ain't gonna knock the guy that obsesses over every little thing trying to eliminate it. If it gives them confidence, then so be it.
I do nothing but agree. It couldn't actually hurt to clarify
"To each his own, I guess it could never hurt to do more but imagine being scent free turkey hunting. It's doing more but is it helping? Not really right"
Don't get OG started on how well turkeys can smell... :popcorn:
We all laugh, but if you think about it, how many times have you been winded by deer that started snorting and carrying on when you were working a turkey? Would being more scent free have helped? Once again, I don't worry about that, but I could see a legitimate argument for scent free turkey hunting. Besides, I have a cool bottle of turkey scent that has been the cornerstone for my success. Nothing like a good scent drag to bring them right by my spot.
I have hunted a lot over the past 40 years. I lived in AL when the limit was 6 and SC when it was 3, plus travel to several states on DIY hunts. I have killed a lot of gobblers over that time frame as again, I hunt a lot.
I have never even considered UV light and apparently a lot of gobblers didn't place much stock in it either.
I had the pleasure to hunt with Dwain Bland a couple of times many years ago. The only camo I remember him wearing was a face mask. However, the man taught me way back then the importance of not moving unless you need to make a move. Sometimes inexperienced hunters are afraid to make an adjustment.
He also was heavy on natural cover and natural blinds at times.
UV may be a deal, but I would focus on staying out of the sunlight, minimizing movement unless you need to move and patience. That will be far more productive than any possible advantage from using UV products.
BTW, wore First-Lite camo some last Spring and this Fall. The birds didn't mind whatever UV problem someone mentioned.
Save your money and buy another call you don't need like a lot of us on this Forum. Haha.
:OGturkeyhead:
Quote from: Happy on January 30, 2023, 08:32:23 AM
We all laugh, but if you think about it, how many times have you been winded by deer that started snorting and carrying on when you were working a turkey? Would being more scent free have helped? Once again, I don't worry about that, but I could see a legitimate argument for scent free turkey hunting. Besides, I have a cool bottle of turkey scent that has been the cornerstone for my success. Nothing like a good scent drag to bring them right by my spot.
Good reason to set up right close to the roost. Less to go wrong right but you're absolutely correct about the deer, it does happen. Something I'd thought of but didn't include as I was focused on the turkey itself. Now being super stinky and using the wind correctly you could play the odds deer might not come to ya? . So many ideas. Fellas/new folks it's only my opinion but take everyone's advice. Keep your mind open and see what works for you. Great thing about this forum, lots of ideas. Now if anyone needs an acorn scratcher thing for deer hunting or turkey squealer pm me! I've also got carrot scent for rabbit hunting. Just having fun fellas
Palmettoron I've called birds in twice wearing a red flannel and red wool rich coat to prove to a buddy sitting still was the key. Camo certainly won't hurt but I believe that too is overrated at times
I do wear camo as I do believe it helps, but totally agree it is not truly necessary as Dwain Bland wore work clothes except for a camo mask and that man was a killing machine. 100% agree that limiting movement, even tiny movements is key along with staying out of the sun.
You however must have some enlightened hunters in your area. I would not wear anything red in the turkey woods in SC even on private land as I've had poachers stalk me twice the last 2-3 years.
Quote from: Bowguy on January 30, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
Palmettoron I've called birds in twice wearing a red flannel and red wool rich coat to prove to a buddy sitting still was the key. Camo certainly won't hurt but I believe that too is overrated at times
Quote from: PalmettoRon on January 30, 2023, 09:01:05 AM
I do wear camo as I do believe it helps, but totally agree it is not truly necessary as Dwain Bland wore work clothes except for a camo mask and that man was a killing machine. 100% agree that limiting movement, even tiny movements is key along with staying out of the sun.
You however must have some enlightened hunters in your area. I would not wear anything red in the turkey woods in SC even on private land as I've had poachers stalk me twice the last 2-3 years.Quote from: Bowguy on January 30, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
Palmettoron I've called birds in twice wearing a red flannel and red wool rich coat to prove to a buddy sitting still was the key. Camo certainly won't hurt but I believe that too is overrated at times
I was private property both times, in the fall when you could see anyone sneaking in
I think the UV light issues evolves around deer or animals that can see both day and night. If turkeys were affected by UV then they would roam at night. I'm no expert by any means but their eyes are different based on their living habits. Animals that can see at night or in low light conditions have a different make up and contain a special part in their eye that helps with night vision. I've walked under turkeys roosted at night and the flashlight doesn't reflect the eyes like a deer, possum or Coon etc.
The attached pictures are of 2 different hunters on the same stand. Trail camera takes a picture (non flash) infrared and you can clearly pick out the Hunter in the stand. The pictures were taken in the evening at dusk. Certainly had me wondering and with todays clothing dyes it has me wondering even more.
This is a good conversation and opinions will vary but the pictures are something to consider. Please, if anyone has an idea as to why the hunters stick out please let me know. I'm all ears!
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I don't know what they can see and what they can't, I do know that I went down the rabbit hole of uv treating all my clothes and checking them with a uv light. I found that if the fabric was real bad to start with, that uv killer treatment did absolutely nothing. It 'seemed' to help on fabrics that didn't glow much to begin with. Having said that, on a whim I took my light into the woods at night and you would be surprised how much natural stuff glows out there. I don't treat anything now, but I do wash with dye free wash because it can't hurt.
Don't overthink it. Wear camo that breaks up your profile, what camo was created for, and limit movement. The woods are full of things that move, are colorful and even glitter.
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The only thing I have done is wash my camo with baking soda mostly for deer hunting with a bow ... but pretty much after that, i don't do anything to my hunting clothing for turkey hunting. It would be interesting to hear from people who hog hunt at night if they UV treat their clothing etc... or Predator hunt at night ...
If they are like chickens, and I say they are....they can't see crap at nighttime! If I leave the coop door closed and the chickens can't get in to roost at night, it is an act of congress to get them in. They can't see the opening of the door right next to it. I actually have to push them through the door opening. I don't wash my clothes in UV wash. I have killed all my birds in regular camo or once in an orange t-shirt, as I was shedding some clothes due to it getting hot. He rolled right up in there on me. Grabbed my gun off the tree and "HE GONE!" So, OG nation, I will be selling orange tee's soon if-in your all interested.
Quote from: jhoward11 on January 30, 2023, 11:17:04 AM
If they are like chickens, and I say they are....they can't see crap at nighttime! If I leave the coop door closed and the chickens can't get in to roost at night, it is an act of congress to get them in. They can't see the opening of the door right next to it. I actually have to push them through the door opening. I don't wash my clothes in UV wash. I have killed all my birds in regular camo or once in an orange t-shirt, as I was shedding some clothes due to it getting hot. He rolled right up in there on me. Grabbed my gun off the tree and "HE GONE!" So, OG nation, I will be selling orange tee's soon if-in your all interested.
Great Idea on the OG Tee Shirt ... But i want mine in camo....LOL...
I have noticed something that is very common among hunters. We all wear camo clothing way past it's optimum blending life. It still is in good wearable shape so we wear it, but soon as it starts to fade it stands out big time. That is what I believe is happening with the deer hunter in the tree stand. You can dye them with a dark green and it will help, but they lose their camo prime fast. It still comes down to movement. Heck when it rains I wear a solid green rubber rain coat and I have killed several gobblers wearing it.
NO.
He caught you moving or didn't see the hen he heard calling.
Are Guys getting busted that much?
If a bird comes in close it's normally his azz!
I am pretty picky with set up too.
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