This blows my mind I've shot the same load,gun,choke for several seasons with great luck. I had several boxes of ammo that were older like 2015-2016 range the new boxes are from last year same load very different results. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220220/b51d3bf0f9f38b43c078566ddba8d30f.jpg)
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All shots are at 40 yds same temp,gun and choke 3in lbxr#6 just different lot numbers.
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I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
So I posted last year in the lead shooters forum that I'd switched back to my old shell mid season. I didn't really elaborate but I'm convinced the lbx #5 shells cost me a bird last year and I just don't trust them anymore. Long story short I'd spent over an hour working a good bird down one hill and up another to within 25 yards. First shot at 25 was a complete miss. I was shocked. The bird just stood there looking as he had no idea what happened. Racked another shell and fired same poa and the bird stumbled didn't go down but obviously hit and was able to get turned around and glide off the hill down into the holler. I couldn't get a follow up before he glided down. I knew he was wounded. I tracked him for 20 minutes and bumped him to bench on the across another holler. I managed to get over there and planned to top the bench and get a follow-up shot but by the time I got over there he moved to the end of the bench and glided off to the valley below. He was gone but given he was wounded I knew he'd die within a day or two.
First time in over 20 years of wounded a bird. Went back to a buddies house and checked the pattern at 30. First shot looked like a slug shot slightly high and left. Second threw almost all the pattern low and right. Now I had patterned these same shells different box and they were awesome and I had no poa/poi issues. I patterned 4 shells and not one patterned close to the other.
I was sick to my stomach about that bird and quit for the season after I filled my other tag knowing the first bird was likely dead too. Went back to my old shell and the second bird I shot piled up at 33 yards and barely twitched. After that I just don't trust the long beard shells and if I don't trust it I can't hunt with it. I think I still have the box so I'll post the lot ## when I dig it up
Quote from: Kylongspur88 on February 20, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
So I posted last year in the lead shooters forum that I'd switched back to my old shell mid season. I didn't really elaborate but I'm convinced the lbx #5 shells cost me a bird last year and I just don't trust them anymore. Long story short I'd spent over an hour working a good bird down one hill and up another to within 25 yards. First shot at 25 was a complete miss. I was shocked. The bird just stood there looking as he had no idea what happened. Racked another shell and fired same poa and the bird stumbled didn't go down but obviously hit and was able to get turned around and glide off the hill down into the holler. I couldn't get a follow up before he glided down. I knew he was wounded. I tracked him for 20 minutes and bumped him to bench on the across another holler. I managed to get over there and planned to top the bench and get a follow-up shot but by the time I got over there he moved to the end of the bench and glided off to the valley below. He was gone but given he was wounded I knew he'd die within a day or two.
First time in over 20 years of wounded a bird. Went back to a buddies house and checked the pattern at 30. First shot looked like a slug shot slightly high and left. Second threw almost all the pattern low and right. Now I had patterned these same shells different box and they were awesome and I had no poa/poi issues. I patterned 4 shells and not one patterned close to the other.
I was sick to my stomach about that bird and quit for the season after I filled my other tag knowing the first bird was likely dead too. Went back to my old shell and the second bird I shot piled up at 33 yards and barely twitched. After that I just don't trust the long beard shells and if I don't trust it I can't hunt with it. I think I still have the box so I'll post the lot ## when I dig it up
I agree completely, all three patterns will kill A bird however they vary so much I have no faith in them now.
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Quote from: 2eagles on February 20, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
I know man but it is A very vast difference in pattern
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Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: 2eagles on February 20, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
I know man but it is A very vast difference in pattern
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Yes it is. Been discussed here a lot.
You could try the regular Winchester super X loads , which are half the cost of LB and in this past week are all over wallymart and bass pro/Cabela's. Or the Federal Grandslam which have showed by some on here to be good shells.
Quote from: owlhoot on February 20, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: 2eagles on February 20, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
I know man but it is A very vast difference in pattern
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Yes it is. Been discussed here a lot.
You could try the regular Winchester super X loads , which are half the cost of LB and in this past week are all over wallymart and bass pro/Cabela's. Or the Federal Grandslam which have showed by some on here to be good shells.
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Already on the same page super x #4
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Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on February 20, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: 2eagles on February 20, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
I know man but it is A very vast difference in pattern
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Yes it is. Been discussed here a lot.
You could try the regular Winchester super X loads , which are half the cost of LB and in this past week are all over wallymart and bass pro/Cabela's. Or the Federal Grandslam which have showed by some on here to be good shells.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220220/c407baac2b7a1f2733989ee4a296961a.jpg)
Already on the same page super x #4
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4's , how far was that?
Super x is a great shell. I personally like the Winn xx high velocity. 1300 fps in a 3 1/2 is a fun ride
Quote from: owlhoot on February 20, 2022, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on February 20, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: 2eagles on February 20, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
I know man but it is A very vast difference in pattern
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Yes it is. Been discussed here a lot.
You could try the regular Winchester super X loads , which are half the cost of LB and in this past week are all over wallymart and bass pro/Cabela's. Or the Federal Grandslam which have showed by some on here to be good shells.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220220/c407baac2b7a1f2733989ee4a296961a.jpg)
Already on the same page super x #4
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4's , how far was that?
That one was only 30yds
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Unfortunately , some production ammo has been very inconsistent which is why so many have went to loading their own TSS. I would definitely try the Winchester XX.
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I'll be shooting with it more I ran out of targets
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Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on February 20, 2022, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: owlhoot on February 20, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: justin.arps on February 20, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: 2eagles on February 20, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
I don't see a target where the turkey is going to live.
I know man but it is A very vast difference in pattern
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Yes it is. Been discussed here a lot.
You could try the regular Winchester super X loads , which are half the cost of LB and in this past week are all over wallymart and bass pro/Cabela's. Or the Federal Grandslam which have showed by some on here to be good shells.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220220/c407baac2b7a1f2733989ee4a296961a.jpg)
Already on the same page super x #4
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4's , how far was that?
That one was only 30yds
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get around to it , try at 40.
4 shot versus 6 shot , no contest , half price $ GOOD TO GO
Quote from: USMC0331 on February 20, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
Unfortunately , some production ammo has been very inconsistent which is why so many have went to loading their own TSS. I would definitely try the Winchester XX.
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Good point.
Winchester has their hands full probably melting down that Jolly Rancher candy resin to keep it consistently breaking at the right time.
I had an issue last season. Discovered it via a wounded turkey.
What I found was one bad box out of about 12 or 13.
Sent them to Winchester and they DID replace them. They didn't reimburse me for my range trips or the one shell from each box that I had to expend to check each box.
From here on out, I'll pattern one shell from each box I buy to be sure they're up to expectation.
I know you shouldn't have to do that but they normally pattern so well that I can't abandon them altogether.
Quote from: sixbird on February 20, 2022, 04:14:33 PM
I had an issue last season. Discovered it via a wounded turkey.
What I found was one bad box out of about 12 or 13.
Sent them to Winchester and they DID replace them. They didn't reimburse me for my range trips or the one shell from each box that I had to expend to check each box.
From here on out, I'll pattern one shell from each box I buy to be sure they're up to expectation.
I know you shouldn't have to do that but they normally pattern so well that I can't abandon them altogether.
Yeah it sucks, I don't want to risk wounding A bird. I'll probably bite the bullet and start loading my own shells in the future.
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My brother in law's gun started opening up using long beards. I talked him into letting me do a true deep clean on it. What I discovered was plastic from the wad cups all the way down the barrel. I cleaned it down to bare metal and put a light coat of tetra gun bore conditioner in the bore. It instantly started shooting again.
Most speak of the impressive patterns from TSS handloads, which is obviously true. the main reason I went to them was due to factory stuff changing constantly, especially at that time when Hevi shot was the best thing available, they constantly changed their stuff and had major quality control issues at that point.
I load mine one at a time and they are all identical, it shows in the patterns, I actually hadn't shot one on paper in several years until after a miss, I hit a large sapling and new that was the issue but just had to check!
For the amount of those shells they make and sell seems the issues are a small fraction.
Can I ask when was the last time your barrel last deep cleaned? The XR shells leave a lot of residue after just 1 shot fired. I had similar issues with a few box's with patterns changing like yourself I deep cleaned and numbers came back. I do believe they changed something on that shell be it the primer or the casings the pellets are in they are not as good as when they first hit the shelf's.
Quote from: Ol timer on February 21, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Can I ask when was the last time your barrel last deep cleaned? The XR shells leave a lot of residue after just 1 shot fired. I had similar issues with a few box's with patterns changing like yourself I deep cleaned and numbers came back. I do believe they changed something on that shell be it the primer or the casings the pellets are in they are not as good as when they first hit the shelf's.
I did A deep clean when I put it up after last spring. My first though was maybe I missed some fouling,so I did it again after the pattern changed. No improvement on pattern.
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Quote from: Dtrkyman on February 21, 2022, 11:03:09 AM
Most speak of the impressive patterns from TSS handloads, which is obviously true. the main reason I went to them was due to factory stuff changing constantly, especially at that time when Hevi shot was the best thing available, they constantly changed their stuff and had major quality control issues at that point.
I load mine one at a time and they are all identical, it shows in the patterns, I actually hadn't shot one on paper in several years until after a miss, I hit a large sapling and new that was the issue but just had to check!
For the amount of those shells they make and sell seems the issues are a small fraction.
I believe this is the route I'm going to take as well.
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Quote from: reflexl on February 21, 2022, 10:16:21 AM
My brother in law's gun started opening up using long beards. I talked him into letting me do a true deep clean on it. What I discovered was plastic from the wad cups all the way down the barrel. I cleaned it down to bare metal and put a light coat of tetra gun bore conditioner in the bore. It instantly started shooting again.
I had the same thought,I deep cleaned and oiled the bore again with no improvement.
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Quote from: USMC0331 on February 20, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
Unfortunately , some production ammo has been very inconsistent which is why so many have went to loading their own TSS. I would definitely try the Winchester XX.
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This right here.