Call me old school. I can't figure out why on earth anyone would put a scope on a turkey gun. For those of you that use them, please let me know what you like about them.
I shoot a shotgun more than the average person. I am not a trap shooter, skeet or otherwise. But, I do a lot of upland bird hunting. I go at least one day a week and most weeks at least two days a week. Unfortunately, there are not many wild birds nearby so the majority of my bird hunting is at preserves so there is a lot of shooting. If a turkey is standing, running or flying I just can't imagine shooting at him with a scope.
I am also posting this because I am thinking about a new turkey gun. I have a Remington NWTF semi from 1998 that I have more or less retired, but I did kill a bird with it last year. The only bad thing about it is the original rear sight is hard to keep up. I have a Benelli Super Black Eagle I that was made in 1996 that is mint. It is a heck of a turkey gun, but I prefer the shorter barrel on the Remington. Finally I have a Franchi Affinity in a 20 gauge that is my daughters.
Not sure what I would get, but I would like something with a short barrel.
If I felt like I didn't need one then I wouldn't bother with one. But for me my eyes aren't quite as good as the used to be. They're plenty good shooting birds on the fly with an improved cylinder. But with the super tight patterns on my turkey guns combined with an increased breathing and heart rate during the final few seconds of a turkey hunt, a red/green dot is a good idea for me.
Quote from: guesswho on January 31, 2021, 09:10:13 PM
If I felt like I didn't need one then I wouldn't bother with one. But for me my eyes aren't quite as good as the used to be. They're plenty good shooting birds on the fly with an improved cylinder. But with the super tight patterns on my turkey guns combined with an increased breathing and heart rate during the final few seconds of a turkey hunt, a red/green dot is a good idea for me.
Thanks that is a very good point. Until last September, I still had great eyes. 20/15. But, I have recently had some issues with one eye. Thankfully so far it has not impacted my shooting. I think you have give a very good reason to have one. I am sure eventually I will be there with you buddy.
Shooting the tight patterns we do nowadays a scope only makes sense. At 46 I still have pretty good eyesight but that diamond in the middle of the crosshairs makes certain I'm aiming where I want to aim. I've taken quick shots on turkeys with a scope also and target acquisition has not been difficult at all. My other guns that aren't scoped seem strange now when I hunt with them. I've been using a scope on my 835 since 2014 I believe.
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I can even come up with some good excuses as to why you need another turkey gun, calls, camo etc. ;D
I originally got one because I couldn't get my mossberg at the time to sight in, even with the adjustable rear sight, so I put a red dot on. I transferred the scope over to my new gun just to avoid the same thing happening.
That being said I like the red dot and would use it any way.
Mike
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During the Spring of 2019 both gobblers I killed flanked me and I had to shoot them left handed (I'm right handed)
Had I not had a red dot, there's no way I could've been able to get my sights lined up the way those birds had me twisted up like a pretzel.
Quote from: guesswho on January 31, 2021, 09:21:13 PM
I can even come up with some good excuses as to why you need another turkey gun, calls, camo etc. ;D
I can do that on my own my friend. I am looking on line at options as I type! I am a Benelli guy through and through. Their guns just seem to fit and work for me. I would LOVE for them to make that Super Black Eagle III turkey gun WITHOUT that stupid pistol grip and a barrel shorter than 24 inches.
Quote from: Remturkey on January 31, 2021, 09:33:03 PM
During the Spring of 2019 both gobblers I killed flanked me and I had to shoot them left handed (I'm right handed)
Had I not had a red dot, there's no way I could've been able to get my sights lined up the way those birds had me twisted up like a pretzel.
Another good point. The last time I shot my gun left handed (also a rt handed shooter), I missed the bird and broke my nose. Don't tell anyone.
Quote from: WTNUT on January 31, 2021, 09:02:27 PM
Call me old school. I can't figure out why on earth anyone would put a scope on a turkey gun. For those of you that use them, please let me know what you like about them.
I shoot a shotgun more than the average person. I am not a trap shooter, skeet or otherwise. But, I do a lot of upland bird hunting. I go at least one day a week and most weeks at least two days a week. Unfortunately, there are not many wild birds nearby so the majority of my bird hunting is at preserves so there is a lot of shooting. If a turkey is standing, running or flying I just can't imagine shooting at him with a scope.
Regardless how good you think your eyes are , with using a red dot or scope , it just bring your turkey gun up to another level. I agree with others , my eye's are not like they use to be , so it's your choice , if you want to use one or not in my opinion. BUT i will use a scope on most of my turkey guns and i have couple of red dots ..
I started using them because my turkey gun, at the time, would change the POA/POI depending on the choke, load, etc. so I wanted to be able to adjust my site.
I shoot red dots and love them.
Old age = no near sighted vision. Can't see the end of the barrel, much less the bead!
With this spring being my 30th year turkey hunting and for the 25 of those years I have had a scope on my turkey gun, here's my read on this.
Originally I had an 870 12ga I owned that I used, after a few years and some "misses" (just had a bead to aim with) I decided to build a dedicated turkey gun. I found a used Rem 1187 SP 12ga, I had a gunsmith team at the time and did a bunch of work to build this gun for me. One thing I told them is that I wanted a scope on the gun seeing that I am aiming at a point instead of at the bird like "wing shooting"
Things that a scope did for me
I was able to sight/adjust the gun for POA to POI, with shooting a custom Briley Super Full Straight Rifled Turkey Choke matched to the gun.
The Circle-X reticle gave me a "He's at 40 yards" or closer range estimation built in to the scopes design
This also gave me the "He's in tight/close" exact point of aim, I did make sure of this by setting 10 yard targets to shoot
And a few other benefits came to light over the years, I do a lot of Learn to Hunt Programs, Youth Hunts and introducing other adult hunters to turkey hunting. The scope was always an easy way for those to see/understand the POA or what I call "The Circle of Death" just put the circle where the feathers meet the neck.
I guess I have just never seen the disadvantage to having/using a scope on the turkey gun. I have made flying and running shots with it and it has been flawless in performance.
Anymore just can't imagine not having a scope on the turkey gun.
MK M GOBL
I don't have a dedicated turkey gun, so I haven't tried a sight. I'm assuming most of you using sights leave them on year round?
Quote from: guesswho on January 31, 2021, 09:10:13 PM
If I felt like I didn't need one then I wouldn't bother with one. But for me my eyes aren't quite as good as the used to be. They're plenty good shooting birds on the fly with an improved cylinder. But with the super tight patterns on my turkey guns combined with an increased breathing and heart rate during the final few seconds of a turkey hunt, a red/green dot is a good idea for me.
This pretty much sums it up for me. When I first started turkey hunting in 1982, my eyes were perfect. Open sites/beads were perfect. Now, the failing eyes need the optics. Changed the game for me. I use red dots and scopes. Be safe...
Tighter patterns! Put the red dot on his neck and boom! There is a reason so many use them!
I also use my red dot as a rangefinder of sorts, if the red dot is bigger than his head he's out of range.
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Some might consider me an 'old school' turkey hunter as well. I hunt with a 10 gauge, army surplus woodland camo and I liked having the top of my gun smooth. But, after a disappointing incident where a cripple got away, I gave the red-dot a try the next spring. In short, I love it and I'll never go back.
To each their own, but my reasoning is this: It doesn't bring them in any closer, it doesn't change my range, it's not a technological gadget to fool them... it just increases your likelihood of an on-target shot resulting in a quick, humane kill. Which, I believe, is something we all should be striving for.
I couldn't imagine not using a reddot for turkey again, I'd as soon remove the choke from my shotgun.
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I put together a M2 20gauge for my son. It is tricked out. Changed the light "click" recoil spring, added a steady grip stock, drilled and tapped and mounted a FF3. I liked the the FF3, that steady grip also.
So, I bought myself a Tristar 410, just because. First thing I did was to put a FF3 on top of it. I took it for a walk in Turkey season and had success with it. I pack it around jump shooting rabbits also. I like the FF3.
This weekend I took my turkey gun to get Drilled and tapped. I have a FF3 setting here waiting for the big girl to get home so I can mount it up.
The little red dot makes picking up the target so much faster/easier. I shoot left handed, but have killed many turkeys right handed. I have not done so with a red dot, but I definitely can see where that would be a benefit to an off handed shooter.
My eyes started to give me trouble about 10 years ago. I noticed them at work, working off of some of the drawings that we use. You guys have all seen the dudes that hold the paper out away from them to try and read it! Over the years I had to start wearing the cheater glasses. These little red dots help the focusing problem with that bead or site setting back there on the barrel.
Someone else made a previous comment about the scope not bringing a turkey in closer. I second that.
I'm with you on this one, WTNUT. I have shot "beads" most of my entire life, have been consistently competent with them, and will stick with them until "the end" at this point. I say "most of my entire life" because, having turkey hunted now for well over half a century, I have run the gambit on using the various sighting methods. I have found that I am just more comfortable and confident shooting beads than any of the others and have kept returning to them.
In previous posts on this very topic over the years, I have related some of the incidents I have had in trying other sighting methods. Suffice it to say, those incidents have not been "pretty" in terms of the end results,...at least from this hunter's perspective. However, the gobblers that have escaped probably have liked those results just dandy.
Having said that, I recognize that there are valid reasons for choosing other sighting methods, as well as having a preference for them. My general thought for all is, shoot what you like and are most comfortable, confident, and competent with. In my own case, after thoroughly demonstrating my ineptitude with pretty much all other sighting methods, I have finally concluded I just need to stick with my old reliable open sights/beads on my shotguns.
I still can see well enough to use a bead sight but choose to use a red dot. It gives me more confidence.
Knowing my shot is going to hit where the dot is aimed
Quote from: TauntoHawk on January 31, 2021, 11:31:16 PM
I couldn't imagine not using a reddot for turkey again, I'd as soon remove the choke from my shotgun.
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Exactly. With today's choke and turkey load technology, aim small, miss small.
Unless the universe aligns with the particular gun, choke, and load, bottom line is there is no adjustability outside of floating two beads, or using Kentucky windage on the fixed bead, to get a a gun to shoot POA / POI with a super tight pattern at closer ranges.
Years ago I had a Mossberg 500 that shot center pattern about 4 inches low and 3-4 inches left at 40 yards. Nothing I could do with those two beads to correct it. Even installing aftermarket fiber optic sights on the rib I had to max the adjustability to get the center of POI close to the POA.
Red dot solves that issue. So does trading that gun, which I did.
At 50 I wouldn't have though about a red dot at 70 I couldn't hunt without one.
Quote from: MK M GOBL on January 31, 2021, 10:32:17 PM
With this spring being my 30th year turkey hunting and for the 25 of those years I have had a scope on my turkey gun, here's my read on this.
Originally I had an 870 12ga I owned that I used, after a few years and some "misses" (just had a bead to aim with) I decided to build a dedicated turkey gun. I found a used Rem 1187 SP 12ga, I had a gunsmith team at the time and did a bunch of work to build this gun for me. One thing I told them is that I wanted a scope on the gun seeing that I am aiming at a point instead of at the bird like "wing shooting"
Things that a scope did for me
I was able to sight/adjust the gun for POA to POI, with shooting a custom Briley Super Full Straight Rifled Turkey Choke matched to the gun.
The Circle-X reticle gave me a "He's at 40 yards" or closer range estimation built in to the scopes design
This also gave me the "He's in tight/close" exact point of aim, I did make sure of this by setting 10 yard targets to shoot
And a few other benefits came to light over the years, I do a lot of Learn to Hunt Programs, Youth Hunts and introducing other adult hunters to turkey hunting. The scope was always an easy way for those to see/understand the POA or what I call "The Circle of Death" just put the circle where the feathers meet the neck.
I guess I have just never seen the disadvantage to having/using a scope on the turkey gun. I have made flying and running shots with it and it has been flawless in performance.
Anymore just can't imagine not having a scope on the turkey gun.
MK M GOBL
i know that girl. i deer/turkey hunted for 10 years across the road from her parents. brother was a best bud of mine in high school
I hunt a lot of public land for pressured birds. I hunt the remote mountain birds guys are too lazy to chase. An hour and a half walk is common. These birds are wary, sharp, spooky. The scope helps me identify them, most of the time I take several set ups to harvest these old guys. Lots of times I just get a quick look at the head and chest to see the beard, the scope assures me it's the Tom I am after. I know it's not Old School, but the old eyes need the help....be safe...
Progressive lenses on my glasses.
I can see the sights but when I focus to aim them I lose my distance vision. I didn't like guessing where the sights were while keeping the target clear. Red dot fixes that. It works so well I've put them on deer rifles, squirrel guns, and pistols.
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Imo most guns need some sort of sights especially w today's loads and chokes. Shoot your bead. If it's poi meeting poa and your eyes don't necessarily need it than you're good. Most often you'll see a discrepancy and need to adjust. Best w sights of some sort
I'm a Red dot guy for 2 reasons. 1. Fixed my POA/POI on my 835 2. Makes me concentrate with our tight patterns. We are shooting shotguns but not Upland or Dove patterns. At 20 to 25 yards, where most turkeys are killed, we are shooting a pattern the size of a baseball. As others have already said, Aim Small, Miss Small!!!!!! And yes, my 835 is a dedicated Turkey Slayer.
I've hunted with a bead most of my life, but this year I'm switching to a 1-4 scope - not for turkey reasons though! I swapped an 870 combo for a BPS a while back, and now my turkey gun pulls double duty as my slug gun for deer. Swap out the rifled choke for a turkey, re-crank the turrets, and it saves me from spending the money on two seperate guns.
I use one because I don't see as crisp as I use to, especially in dark settings, and the dot is more accurate than using a bead. Wingshooting has nothing to do with shooting at a stationary object.
I use a scope on my rifles and a peepsight and pins on my bows for the same reason as the red dot on my shotgun. Accuracy.
A lot of folks use rifle sights on their turkey guns and it is the same principle, but I prefer a red dot.
Quote from: mcw3734 on January 31, 2021, 11:28:56 PMIt doesn't bring them in any closer, it doesn't change my range, it's not a technological gadget to fool them... it just increases your likelihood of an on-target shot resulting in a quick, humane kill. Which, I believe, is something we all should be striving for.
This is why I use them. I killed my first turkey and a few after that with bead sights, but after my son wounded one and I discovered the POI was a bit different than the POA on the gun he was using I decided to start using them. He's killed several turkeys with the red dot and we sight both of our guns in before the season starts each year. I also believe it's a confidence-builder for him (and me).
I like red dots for poa/poi when making adjustments much easier then with a bead sight. Also they are pinpoint accurate, pretty much unlimited eye relief, and allows you to shoot with both eyes open expanding your field of view. If you get a low profile one like the Vortex Venom or Burris Fastfire adds about 7 ounces. Has far has a new gun it seems like there is a big push of guys running 20 gauge with TSS now. The advantage they give is weight of the gun and recoil. And with TSS they say it turns a 20 into a 12. I don't own a 20 just two 12's for turkey.
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Quote from: WV Flopper on February 01, 2021, 07:20:44 AM
I put together a M2 20gauge for my son. It is tricked out. Changed the light "click" recoil spring, added a steady grip stock, drilled and tapped and mounted a FF3. I liked the the FF3, that steady grip also.
So, I bought myself a Tristar 410, just because. First thing I did was to put a FF3 on top of it. I took it for a walk in Turkey season and had success with it. I pack it around jump shooting rabbits also. I like the FF3.
This weekend I took my turkey gun to get Drilled and tapped. I have a FF3 setting here waiting for the big girl to get home so I can mount it up.
I would not mind seeing this set up. I am considering an M1 or M2 (used or new) with a 21 inch barrel as my new go to gun. They only come in black, but I could get it dipped if I want.
The little red dot makes picking up the target so much faster/easier. I shoot left handed, but have killed many turkeys right handed. I have not done so with a red dot, but I definitely can see where that would be a benefit to an off handed shooter.
My eyes started to give me trouble about 10 years ago. I noticed them at work, working off of some of the drawings that we use. You guys have all seen the dudes that hold the paper out away from them to try and read it! Over the years I had to start wearing the cheater glasses. These little red dots help the focusing problem with that bead or site setting back there on the barrel.
Someone else made a previous comment about the scope not bringing a turkey in closer. I second that.
All my hunting guns have scopes, so I'm used to using a scope. The only guns I have without scopes are my duck hunting shotguns and my self defense pistols.
Plus I have several friends that shoot iron sights or fiber optics, and they fail to put their head all the way down on the stock every time, causing them to miss at least once each season. By using a scope, I always line up my aim point correctly.
Also, as others have noted, my eyes ain't what they used to be. I use a green dot because I have a red/green color deficiency, so seeing red is difficult for me.
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Quote from: WTNUT on January 31, 2021, 09:02:27 PM
Call me old school. I can't figure out why on earth anyone would put a scope on a turkey gun. For those of you that use them, please let me know what you like about them.
I shoot a shotgun more than the average person. I am not a trap shooter, skeet or otherwise. But, I do a lot of upland bird hunting. I go at least one day a week and most weeks at least two days a week. Unfortunately, there are not many wild birds nearby so the majority of my bird hunting is at preserves so there is a lot of shooting. If a turkey is standing, running or flying I just can't imagine shooting at him with a scope.
I put a red dot on my shotgun so my wife could see.... that's it.
First time out turkey hunting with her.... 7 birds lined up from 15-35 yards... she couldn't pick the bead up at the tip of my shot gun (hyro-dipped 870).... all 7 birds walked away.... I bought a red dot when I got home and haven't had an issue yet. Think it was like $20 bucks so nothing fancy... same price and easier than changing to a truglo bead/site.
Scope, I have no idea, but the red/green dot I have now lets the wife pick it up and put the dot on the bubbles.
Quote from: RutnNStrutn on February 01, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
All my hunting guns have scopes, so I'm used to using a scope. The only guns I have without scopes are my duck hunting shotguns and my self defense pistols.
Plus I have several friends that shoot iron sights or fiber optics, and they fail to put their head all the way down on the stock every time, causing them to miss at least once each season. By using a scope, I always line up my aim point correctly.
Also, as others have noted, my eyes ain't what they used to be. I use a green dot because I have a red/green color deficiency, so seeing red is difficult for me.
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Tell your friends to put a kisser button on there stocks. Just get an air soft pellet and some mole skin. Put the pellet exactly where they are most comfortable shooting put a piece of moleskin over it. Everytime they shoot the corner of there mouth goes on the bead they will have the same sight picture everytime.
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The tricked out M2, 20 g of the boys. The red dots are nice for failing eyes. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210202/bfd2e4a02cc7174d112927c731a076da.jpg)
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Quote from: WV Flopper on February 01, 2021, 07:25:02 PM
The tricked out M2, 20 g of the boys. The red dots are nice for failing eyes. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210202/bfd2e4a02cc7174d112927c731a076da.jpg)
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Real nice set up.
For those of you that use the dot or other devise, which do you prefer. The Burris Fastfire and Vortex Viper get a lot of on line shouts from what I can see.
If it shoots behind a double bead im good, unfortunately my 20 was a little off so I have a tru glo rifle sight on it. My 12ga sbe2 is dead on with beads, though I do not use it anymore.
Quote from: WTNUT on February 01, 2021, 09:00:03 PM
For those of you that use the dot or other devise, which do you prefer. The Burris Fastfire and Vortex Viper get a lot of on line shouts from what I can see.
I have 2 Red dots that are Burris Fast Fire 3, and I have a Nikon Spur. Love all of them. Can't go wrong with any one of them....
I have two Burris FF3 and one Viper and you can't go wrong with either one. I can't really say which one is better , would buy both again hands down. If I am not mistaken Burris is coming out with the FF4 soon.
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Now , I'm the scope guy, so my guns have the Nikon turkey pro , Simmons pro diamond and the Bushnell circle x ... these are some good ones , along with others , turkey scopes with the diamond or circle x are getting harder to find..
Quote from: Greg Massey on February 01, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
Now , I'm the scope guy, so my guns have the Nikon turkey pro , Simmons pro diamond and the Bushnell circle x ... these are some good ones , along with others , turkey scopes with the diamond or circle x are getting harder to find..
I have been trying to find a Nikon Turkey pro for a while now with no luck. Was considering buying a 20 gauge and throwing it in there and running TSS.
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Quote from: rakkin6 on February 02, 2021, 05:43:38 AM
Quote from: Greg Massey on February 01, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
Now , I'm the scope guy, so my guns have the Nikon turkey pro , Simmons pro diamond and the Bushnell circle x ... these are some good ones , along with others , turkey scopes with the diamond or circle x are getting harder to find..
I have been trying to find a Nikon Turkey pro for a while now with no luck. Was considering buying a 20 gauge and throwing it in there and running TSS.
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There was one listed on here in classifieds this last month, might need look back.
MK M GOBL
I have 2 dedicated turkey guns (25 years) Rem 1187's and a backup (15 years) HK/Benelli SBE, all 3 have the same Bushnell 1.75-4x32 Circle-X scope on them, never a issue with any of them.
MK M GOBL
Quote from: Greg Massey on February 01, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
Now , I'm the scope guy, so my guns have the Nikon turkey pro , Simmons pro diamond and the Bushnell circle x ... these are some good ones , along with others , turkey scopes with the diamond or circle x are getting harder to find..
Agreed here, they are becoming non-existent. I had a hard time finding good turkey scopes, but I did. You an still find them on EBay. They have quite a few, some of them are like brand new. I like my scopes, but the Red Dots are a close 2nd. I'll hunt with both. Be safe
I prefer something other than beads for the same reasons that others have mentioned along the lines of helping with less than ideal eyesight and having your shot lined up as close to perfect as possible for each shot at a gobbler with super tight patterns at close range.
I purchased a Vortex Spitfire before the 2019 season, and have been very pleased with it. Size of it is more like a small scope, but acts more like a red dot. It has etched glass, though, so you don't have to run the green/red illumination for it to work. It is a prismatic sight, and I have found that this helps immensely with my fairly severe astigmatism.
I have used beads and red dot and really prefer the red dot. Here is my SX3 and an Aimpoint scope.
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Quote from: lunghit on February 12, 2021, 06:50:01 PM
I have used beads and red dot and really prefer the red dot. Here is my SX3 and an Aimpoint scope.
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Proofs in the pudding there, nice set ups....
I've got one beaded 835... will never change it. My eyes have never been great, but seems like they are getting g worse. I do have a dedicated 20 ga with a gobblerstopper on it, decked out for my son. I actually used it last year and the 835 was in the on deck circle for the season. I really like the red dot though.
I put a Burris fastfire 3 on my 870 last year because my eyes don't work so good up close anymore. Money well spent.
I tried a red dot for the first time last year for my sons 20 gauge mossberg. He has had diffuculty with a brain tumor that lead to stroke, so it was going to be easier for him with the dot. Bought one online from a well known sight manufacturer for approx. $50. Get this.... first shot at 30 yards, just a tick high.(yea for him). Second shot, no where on the board 3x3 paper. Third shot didn't happen as the scope would never show the dot again. Guess to much vibration?? That was the end of scopes for me. I'm sure if pay more I would get a better product, but have such a crappy taste in my mouth for red dots now. Good news is, we went anyways and he shot a bearded hen with open sights.
First year for me running a red dot. I like it thus far. It has held true during patterning. I contemplated going the scope route but as others have said, it's tough finding one with proper magnification and I was being picky on what all features I wanted.
I thought the same thing about them until I put one on my gun and now all my turkey guns will have a red dot on it. (Knock on wood I'm still yet to miss since I've been using them)
check out the video
https://youtu.be/h9bNi2L4Zjg
Variety is the spice of life they say. I have two turkey guns set up with red dots. I have two set up with shotgun scopes and since I got new glasses I can actually see the Hi-Vis FO sights on my Browning BPS 10 ga. again! Hard to pick a favorite I like them all! ;D
I shoot maybe 10 rounds out of a shotgun a year. Prefer a red dot for confidence.
Quote from: Hogmister13 on February 16, 2021, 10:05:50 PM
I thought the same thing about them until I put one on my gun and now all my turkey guns will have a red dot on it. (Knock on wood I'm still yet to miss since I've been using them)
check out the video
https://youtu.be/h9bNi2L4Zjg
Cool video!