Just wondering if anyone has tried out the 12 gauge 2 3/4 TSS ....I notice Nitro and Apex both have it as an option
Just bought three boxes so I will let you know soon. Just got them in the mail a couple days ago. They are 2 3/4" 2 oz #9 12 gauge. Going to run them out of Mossberg 835 with a .675 Indian Creek choke. Also have 4 boxes of the mullet load in 3" 2.25 oz #7.5/9 I am going to try.
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I use the 2.75" Apex out of a fixed full Model 12 and it's a hell of a load.
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Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on February 09, 2022, 07:04:01 AM
I use the 2.75" Apex out of a fixed modified Model 12 and it's a hell of a load.
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What kind of range do you get with it?
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Quote from: RLAG on February 09, 2022, 08:27:02 AM
What kind of range do you get with it?
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Original post should've read fixed full. But patterned well at 40. Good uniform pattern though a bit wide. Think it's still a 30-35yd setup. But honestly it was a 25-30yd setup with lead so I think it's added ten yards. A lot denser pattern obviously. Be fine at 40 if that's what you had to do just likely get some shot in the breast. 30 and in it'll be a hammer.
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I got the Wilson Custom Load 2.75" 2oz #9. You can see a video on how they pattern on YouTube. Look at blue collar outdoors Wilson Custom load
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I'm anxious to try it...the 20 gauge loads in a 3 inch are 1 1/2 or 1 5/8 so a 2 oz 12 gauge oughta be plenty good for me ....my current setup is an 870 SP and a Hevi-13 .662 choke .
Foxtrot has a 1 5/8oz and a 2oz 2 3/4" load. I'd really like to try that 1 5/8oz load.
Foxtrot Mini Twisters 1-5/8 ounce of 8.5's out of my Model 12. The 2 ounce were a little to much for the old gun.
I've tried Apex's 2 3/4" 2oz #8's out of a late 70's Winchester model 1200 that has a Rhino .660 in it. One heck of a load.
Handloaded 2.75" 2 ounce load of 9's.
M2 21" barrel .655 Indian Creek.
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Wow :OGturkeyhead:
That's impressive
shell length isnt really an issue being i trim my 3s dang near to 2.75 anyway. but in my testing my gun didnt fair as well with 2 oz compared to 2.25oz so im sticking with 2.25
I shoot 2 3/4" 2 oz #9.
Quote from: kwild835 on February 11, 2022, 11:29:12 PM
Handloaded 2.75" 2 ounce load of 9's.
M2 21" barrel .655 Indian Creek.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220212/90d25f69e197e3edeb87e1b9c9af3488.jpg)
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Is that 370/10"
249/20" ?
Yes
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Quote from: kwild835 on March 28, 2022, 07:37:23 AM
Yes
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That, my friend, is one AWESOME pattern!!!
Quote from: gtrjames on February 08, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Just wondering if anyone has tried out the 12 gauge 2 3/4 TSS ....I notice Nitro and Apex both have it as an option
I got the Apex to try in an old 1100 and waxed a bird at 30 yards yesterday. It threw an excellent pattern out of my 30" full choke barrel. Good luck!
2 3/4" 2 ounce of #9 at 40 yards. Mossberg 535 and .660 Indian Creek choke. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/93ccf4f75eafa87e9c3eb54bf0a6b897.jpg)
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Quote from: rakkin6 on April 18, 2022, 08:41:01 PM
2 3/4" 2 ounce of #9 at 40 yards. Mossberg 535 and .660 Indian Creek choke. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220419/93ccf4f75eafa87e9c3eb54bf0a6b897.jpg[/im
Move that left and down just a c hair and you'll have it!
I can say this........The Apex 3 inch 12 gauge 2 ounce #9s, from a Benelli M2 are simply unreal. At 40 the pattern was so tight, I installed a Trijicon red dot. Was way to many to try and count.
Have a good one
Bo
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New 12ga 870, 26" barrel, Indian Creek .655, Wilson's Custom Loads 2 3/4" 2oz #9, at 40 yds(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220421/744edbd59b920956bfd91c7903a7bb23.jpg)
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Quote from: Matt76cmich on April 21, 2022, 02:50:29 PM
New 12ga 870, 26" barrel, Indian Creek .655, Wilson's Custom Loads 2 3/4" 2oz #9, at 40 yds(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220421/744edbd59b920956bfd91c7903a7bb23.jpg)
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I like that pattern. You have a pretty solid coverage on both the left and right side of the target outside of the ten - but not much down below which will get into the breast meat. Our reloads are out of a 2 3/4 shell with 2 ounces of shot and we are happy with the results as well. You have a real nice pattern though - thanks for sharing.
Quote from: kwild835 on February 11, 2022, 11:29:12 PM
Handloaded 2.75" 2 ounce load of 9's.
M2 21" barrel .655 Indian Creek.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220212/90d25f69e197e3edeb87e1b9c9af3488.jpg)
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Wow, 620 in the full twenty inch circle is amazing. I'm still amazed at how TSS has changed the landscape. I am working up an additional 12 gauge back up gun and hope to get similar results to what you and the other gentleman are sharing here.
Quote from: kwild835 on February 11, 2022, 11:29:12 PM
Handloaded 2.75" 2 ounce load of 9's.
M2 21" barrel .655 Indian Creek.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220212/90d25f69e197e3edeb87e1b9c9af3488.jpg)
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Very impressive. How's the recoil with this load? :camohat:
Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?
Quote from: Glades on May 24, 2022, 09:13:28 AM
Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?
The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.
Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.
Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.
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Quote from: Glades on May 24, 2022, 09:13:28 AM
Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?
The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.
Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.
Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.
So if you opened the Apex 2.75" shell and Apex 3" shell, what is the difference if there is the same amount of shot and powder? What is the advantage of going to the longer shell?
Different components inside the shell can make the difference between being a 2.75" and 3' load. They are going to recoil the same because the velocity and payload are similar. I like the 2.75" version the best because they feed in all guns and performance/pattern is equal.
Awesome explanation from BandedSpur as usual.
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Quote from: BandedSpur on May 25, 2022, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Glades on May 24, 2022, 09:13:28 AM
Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?
The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.
Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.
Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.
So if you opened the Apex 2.75" shell and Apex 3" shell, what is the difference if there is the same amount of shot and powder? What is the advantage of going to the longer shell?
The powder could be different, the wads are probably different, the spacers/fillers will be different. There is no advantage to longer shell, unless you go 3.5" and jack up the speed because you like recoil. The advantage goes to shorter chell because it will function in 2.75"-3.5" chambers.
Quote from: kwild835 on May 25, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: Glades on May 25, 2022, 11:19:13 AM
Quote from: BandedSpur on May 25, 2022, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Glades on May 24, 2022, 09:13:28 AM
Maybe somebody can explain to me how Apex's 2.75" 2oz #9 and 3.00" 2 oz #9 have the same advertised muzzle velocity (1200fps). I would have though carrying the same shot amount in a shorter shell would have taken a loss in muzzle velocity. Somebody care to explain?
Also, for someone that has shot both, is there a difference in recoil?
The SAAMI pressure limit is the same for 2.75 and 3" 12 ga loads. (It is significantly higher for the 3.5" gun). One could theoretically run the 3" load faster than in the 2.75" shell due to more room in the hull for cushioning, but there is no real advantage in doing so with TSS. I load all of my 12 ga TSS loads at 1100 fps, from 1.25 to 2 oz of shot. TSS 9s at 1100 fps have the pellet energy to kill way further than I will shoot, so stepping on the gas does nothing but add recoil and wear on the gun. Also, loads at 1100 fps are subsonic and should theoretically pattern better than faster loads. Whether that is true in practice is debatable.
Now if you were to compare a 3" 2.25 oz load to a 3.5" 2.25 oz load, you could certainly push the load faster in the 3.5" shell, because of the significantly higher allowable pressure - 14,000 psi for the 3.5" shell vs 11,500 for the 2.75 and 3" shells.
Recoil from a 2 oz load at 1100 fps from my 8.75 pound 1187 is not bad at all. But it would be pretty stout in a lightweight fixed breach gun.
So if you opened the Apex 2.75" shell and Apex 3" shell, what is the difference if there is the same amount of shot and powder? What is the advantage of going to the longer shell?
The powder could be different, the wads are probably different, the spacers/fillers will be different. There is no advantage to longer shell, unless you go 3.5" and jack up the speed because you like recoil. The advantage goes to shorter chell because it will function in 2.75"-3.5" chambers.
Another excellent explanation. I agree that there is no real advantage to the longer shell.