Did some testing with the Apex GT20s this morning out of my old Winchester 1300 Black Shadow.
Here's the 40 yard
91% of the load within 20'
Just to illustrate how well this stuff holds together in flight here is a 55 yard pattern.
89% of the load in the 20"
Pretty smoking stuff right here!
Is the 55 yard target upside down or did poi rise at 55 form 40 being dead on?
That's right side up. I'm thinking I pulled the shot. 25 and 40 are dead on.
10 4. Figured it wouldve dropped a little
I'm going to squeeze one more off at 75 just to get a idea on drop. I'm not expecting much, if any.
I load my own. 2.5 oz 8.5s. Gonna do final pattern and sighting next weekend. This is my 870 with Indian creek 670. Got a 675 to try also.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xWe9BRzNigKKKIIn2
I want to start loading my own after season is over. Are you shooting 2.5oz in a 3.5 shell"?
Yes. I wanted to shoot bigger shot. My 8.5s are closer to 8s. I like overkill.
I've got 9 of these Apex shells waiting for a nice day my self.
Nitro said my order should ship this week, I got 10 1 5/8oz #9s and 10 1 5/8oz 8x9s coming to compare to apex
Pattern looks great how tight are you at 25yds?
Gonna try it at 20 this weekend. I've got a scope so not worried. All loads are tight at 20. Long beards being way worse.
So now all of a sudden we're talking about and posting about >40 yard shots on a forum with strict rules about not doing just that?
I pattern at 20 and 40 yards which is the range I prefer to kill my turkeys.
Paper is different then birds, no where did I read him advocating shooting at turkeys over 40yds. I have a pile of these GT20 shells. And glad and appreciative he's sharing his results. Soon as I get my guns assembled I'll be figuring out choke combos aswell. TSS is a different breed of shell, I'm trying to learn what does and doesn't work. Just glad folks are posting results with the factory stuff over the handloaded unavailable stuff. Most handloads can beat factory stuff but unavailable unless you do your own.
Quote from: UpperTully on February 19, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
I'm going to squeeze one more off at 75 just to get a idea on drop. I'm not expecting much, if any.
You can't be serious?
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on February 20, 2018, 04:28:03 AM
So now all of a sudden we're talking about and posting about >40 yard shots on a forum with strict rules about not doing just that?
I'm brand new to TSS and not very familiar with it, others are in the same boat. Unlike my previous loads, 40 yard patterns looked great but fell on its face at 50 yards. TSS shot unlike anything I've ever chambered in my gun. My apologies for sharing my test results. It seems there are a ton of questions and no so many answers on these shells.
My point in posting the photo was you better be mindful of whats behind your target because is doesn't peter out very easy.
Quote from: Deast1988 on February 19, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
I've got 9 of these Apex shells waiting for a nice day my self.
Nitro said my order should ship this week, I got 10 1 5/8oz #9s and 10 1 5/8oz 8x9s coming to compare to apex
Pattern looks great how tight are you at 25yds?
100% in about 12-15".
Quote from: the Ward on February 20, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 19, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
I'm going to squeeze one more off at 75 just to get a idea on drop. I'm not expecting much, if any.
You can't be serious?
Absolutely serious. When I'm unfamiliar with something, I'm going to test it and learn how it reacts with my equipment. What exactly is wrong with that?
You tell 'em Tully! :turkey2:
But the 40yd police are gonna get mad!!!
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I'd just like to find some Apex 9's.
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Quote from: the Ward on February 20, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 19, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
I'm going to squeeze one more off at 75 just to get a idea on drop. I'm not expecting much, if any.
You can't be serious?
sure he is serious, why the tss?
Quote from: buzzardroost on February 20, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
I'd just like to find some Apex 9's.
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Mack's is getting a decent size order in the next few days from what I understand.
Quote from: JHoyle on February 20, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
But the 40yd police are gonna get mad!!!
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When Lead/Hevi/TSS are like using the same measuring stick to compare lethal range from a recurve/compound/crossbow
Quote from: UpperTully on February 20, 2018, 10:33:50 PM
Quote from: buzzardroost on February 20, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
I'd just like to find some Apex 9's.
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Mack's is getting a decent size order in the next few days from what I understand.
I hope they get 8's in as I can't shoot 9's in all the states I hunt and the federal 7's won't have enough pellet count and density which is the benefit of TSS in the first place
So your pattern numbers stayed the same from 40 yards to 55 yards?
Yes there's only a 3% difference outside of the 20" between the two
Using the formula that is rule of thumb with TSS, your 50 yard pattern should be more like 258 in the 10". Of course there are anomalies, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that was a true 55 yards. The Apex loads are very similar to those being hand loaded so they should fit into this rule of thumb calculation.
Quote from: Deast1988 on February 20, 2018, 08:00:41 AM
Paper is different then birds, no where did I read him advocating shooting at turkeys over 40yds. I have a pile of these GT20 shells. And glad and appreciative he's sharing his results. Soon as I get my guns assembled I'll be figuring out choke combos aswell. TSS is a different breed of shell, I'm trying to learn what does and doesn't work. Just glad folks are posting results with the factory stuff over the handloaded unavailable stuff. Most handloads can beat factory stuff but unavailable unless you do your own.
Are you a 40 yard shooter? What choke do you currently shoot?
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Using the formula that is rule of thumb with TSS, your 50 yard pattern should be more like 258 in the 10". Of course there are anomalies, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that was a true 55 yards. The Apex loads are very similar to those being hand loaded so they should fit into this rule of thumb calculation.
I stood at 56 yards, verified with a range finder 3 times and shot. I have no reason to do anything but to state my findings.
FWIW Apex recently posted a photo of a 21" youth model 870 20ga that shot 83% in 20" at 52 yards.
Quote from: UpperTully on February 21, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Using the formula that is rule of thumb with TSS, your 50 yard pattern should be more like 258 in the 10". Of course there are anomalies, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that was a true 55 yards. The Apex loads are very similar to those being hand loaded so they should fit into this rule of thumb calculation.
I stood at 56 yards, verified with a range finder 3 times and shot. I have no reason to do anything but to state my findings.
FWIW Apex recently posted a photo of a 21" youth model 870 20ga that shot 83% in 20" at 52 yards.
489 in the 20" is believable at 50 or so yards. In order to get 300 in the 10" at 50, according to the rule of thumb, you would need to have around 430 in the 10" at 40.
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 21, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Using the formula that is rule of thumb with TSS, your 50 yard pattern should be more like 258 in the 10". Of course there are anomalies, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that was a true 55 yards. The Apex loads are very similar to those being hand loaded so they should fit into this rule of thumb calculation.
I stood at 56 yards, verified with a range finder 3 times and shot. I have no reason to do anything but to state my findings.
FWIW Apex recently posted a photo of a 21" youth model 870 20ga that shot 83% in 20" at 52 yards.
489 in the 20" is believable at 50 or so yards. In order to get 300 in the 10" at 50, according to the rule of thumb, you would need to have around 430 in the 10" at 40.
Your more than welcome to come and shoot this gun and see. I have 2 rounds left from that particular box of GT20s I'll hand you.
Quote from: UpperTully on February 21, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 21, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Using the formula that is rule of thumb with TSS, your 50 yard pattern should be more like 258 in the 10". Of course there are anomalies, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that was a true 55 yards. The Apex loads are very similar to those being hand loaded so they should fit into this rule of thumb calculation.
I stood at 56 yards, verified with a range finder 3 times and shot. I have no reason to do anything but to state my findings.
FWIW Apex recently posted a photo of a 21" youth model 870 20ga that shot 83% in 20" at 52 yards.
489 in the 20" is believable at 50 or so yards. In order to get 300 in the 10" at 50, according to the rule of thumb, you would need to have around 430 in the 10" at 40.
Your more than welcome to come and shoot this gun and see. I have 2 rounds left from that particular box of GT20s I'll hand you.
I am not trying to call you a liar, I can see where you would think that. I am just trying to say that is outside what one expects to see at those differences. You did not loose 100 pellets in 15 yards is just amazing if that rangefinder is correct
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Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 21, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 21, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: davisd9 on February 21, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Using the formula that is rule of thumb with TSS, your 50 yard pattern should be more like 258 in the 10". Of course there are anomalies, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that was a true 55 yards. The Apex loads are very similar to those being hand loaded so they should fit into this rule of thumb calculation.
I stood at 56 yards, verified with a range finder 3 times and shot. I have no reason to do anything but to state my findings.
FWIW Apex recently posted a photo of a 21" youth model 870 20ga that shot 83% in 20" at 52 yards.
489 in the 20" is believable at 50 or so yards. In order to get 300 in the 10" at 50, according to the rule of thumb, you would need to have around 430 in the 10" at 40.
Your more than welcome to come and shoot this gun and see. I have 2 rounds left from that particular box of GT20s I'll hand you.
I am not trying to call you a liar, I can see where you would think that. I am just trying to say that is outside what one expects to see at those differences. You did not loose 100 pellets in 15 yards is just amazing if that rangefinder is correct
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I can understand, I was blown away when I counted the holes. Like I said, I shot three patterns having never fired a single round of TSS before. So I wouldn't know whats good or not. I triple checked my ranges as I always do for accuracy and fired away. What you see is what you get. My offer still stands to shoot if your ever in West Tenn.
Looks like it is a good load, unfortunately here in NY the regs say "You may hunt with a shotgun or handgun only when using shot no larger than #2 and no smaller than #8."
That's pretty neat guys but remember that is only a few shots for comparison .
Just a bit more testing maybe will show a bit different result.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
Looks like it is a good load, unfortunately here in NY the regs say "You may hunt with a shotgun or handgun only when using shot no larger than #2 and no smaller than #8."
Yeah that's annoying I wanna switch to 9s which are ok in two state I hunt but not ANY which I hunt every season so I need to either go with 8s or shoot different roads for just that state
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Quote from: owlhoot on February 24, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
That's pretty neat guys but remember that is only a few shots for comparison .
Just a bit more testing maybe will show a bit different result.
Possibly, but at the price these things cost I'll let her eat the way she is!
Quote from: TauntoHawk on February 25, 2018, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
Looks like it is a good load, unfortunately here in NY the regs say "You may hunt with a shotgun or handgun only when using shot no larger than #2 and no smaller than #8."
Yeah that's annoying I wanna switch to 9s which are ok in two state I hunt but not ANY which I hunt every season so I need to either go with 8s or shoot different roads for just that state
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I dont know where I saw it, but I saw a pattern of GT20 #8s and a IC .555 with really good results.
Quote from: UpperTully on February 26, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: TauntoHawk on February 25, 2018, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
Looks like it is a good load, unfortunately here in NY the regs say "You may hunt with a shotgun or handgun only when using shot no larger than #2 and no smaller than #8."
Yeah that's annoying I wanna switch to 9s which are ok in two state I hunt but not ANY which I hunt every season so I need to either go with 8s or shoot different roads for just that state
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I dont know where I saw it, but I saw a pattern of GT20 #8s and a IC .555 with really good results.
Yeah I was a bit disappointed when federal did 7s and 9s as 7s in a 20ga load just doesn't have the count numbers. Ill probably try apex 8s, federal 9s and maybe the new 3rd degree. The 9s I can still use in other states
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I put 350 in a 8 inch circle today at 275 yds
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Quote from: BottomLand54 on February 27, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
I put 350 in a 8 inch circle today at 275 yds
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Is that lasered? The reason I ask is that I only put 250 in at 225 yards lasered. Oh, but wait, that was my 410 load. Nevermind. :funnyturkey:
Quote from: UpperTully on February 26, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: TauntoHawk on February 25, 2018, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
Looks like it is a good load, unfortunately here in NY the regs say "You may hunt with a shotgun or handgun only when using shot no larger than #2 and no smaller than #8."
Yeah that's annoying I wanna switch to 9s which are ok in two state I hunt but not ANY which I hunt every season so I need to either go with 8s or shoot different roads for just that state
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I dont know where I saw it, but I saw a pattern of GT20 #8s and a IC .555 with really good results.
I am shooting a 12 ga. so I am sure the numbers are going to be better. Thanks for the tips. I don't know why but I have always shot 5' or 6's for turkey.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 27, 2018, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: UpperTully on February 26, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: TauntoHawk on February 25, 2018, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Sir-diealot on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
Looks like it is a good load, unfortunately here in NY the regs say "You may hunt with a shotgun or handgun only when using shot no larger than #2 and no smaller than #8."
Yeah that's annoying I wanna switch to 9s which are ok in two state I hunt but not ANY which I hunt every season so I need to either go with 8s or shoot different roads for just that state
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I dont know where I saw it, but I saw a pattern of GT20 #8s and a IC .555 with really good results.
I am shooting a 12 ga. so I am sure the numbers are going to be better. Thanks for the tips. I don't know why but I have always shot 5' or 6's for turkey.
No need shooting large diameter shot for turkey. These 9's penetrate better than a #4 lead will.
Quote from: BottomLand54 on February 27, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
I put 350 in a 8 inch circle today at 275 yds
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Not in your wildest dreams with that Remington :TooFunny:
Lol that Remington shoots terrible at 40 yards but my Franchi and benelli and other Remington are unbelievable
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