870 Longbeard XR question

[macobb]

I have an 870 express youth model 21" barrel. I'm shooting a .565 Carlson extended turkey tube. It throws a great pattern with Apex GT20 TSS 9's. I'm curious if anyone is running a similar setup with the longbeard XR's. I'm really curious about the patterns and what your seeing. Does the XR 6's in 20 gauge have enough penetration at 40-50 yards to take the bird down ethically? I usually never shoot past 30 but just want to be prepared in case a boss Tom hangs up on me. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Kinda new to the 20 gauge game on bird so bare with me.

[Kygobblergetter]

I have the same gun running an ic .555. The apex tss loads are flat out nasty but my patterns with the long beards wouldn't hold up much past 35


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[BandedSpur]

I would say no. Lead 6s yield sufficient penetration IMO (1.25") to 44 yds @ 1,000 fps, and you may or may not get 1,000 fps from your 21" barrel. Pattern is not likely to hold up further than that anyway.

You would be taking a huge step backwards from what you are currently shooting. Are LBs head and shoulders better than any other lead load? Answer: yes. Are they in the same league with TSS 9s? Answer: no.

[mightyjoeyoung]

I would say no. Lead 6s yield sufficient penetration IMO (1.25") to 44 yds @ 1,000 fps, and you may or may not get 1,000 fps from your 21" barrel. Pattern is not likely to hold up further than that anyway.

You would be taking a huge step backwards from what you are currently shooting. Are LBs head and shoulders better than any other lead load? Answer: yes. Are they in the same league with TSS 9s? Answer: no.

optimal velocity from shotgun loads is achieved within 18-20 inches of barrel so your post makes no sense...

[BandedSpur]

I would say no. Lead 6s yield sufficient penetration IMO (1.25") to 44 yds @ 1,000 fps, and you may or may not get 1,000 fps from your 21" barrel. Pattern is not likely to hold up further than that anyway.

You would be taking a huge step backwards from what you are currently shooting. Are LBs head and shoulders better than any other lead load? Answer: yes. Are they in the same league with TSS 9s? Answer: no.

optimal velocity from shotgun loads is achieved within 18-20 inches of barrel so your post makes no sense...

So what exactly doesn't make sense to you that he "may or may not get 1,000 fps from his 21" barrel"? I didn't say that he wouldn't, only that he might or might not. Only way to know is to shoot and chronograph it. I suppose you believe you will always get the velocity printed on an ammo box from your 22" barreled rifle too.

[ahfox16]

Regarding LB, this is a photo I took last spring when I was working up loads for my backup gun, which is an 870 Express with 26" barrels using the factory turkey full (.572) shooting Longbeard in size 6.  It was easily a 40 yard pattern (pattern was 40 yards taken with lazer).  148 in a 10" circle.


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[BandedSpur]

Regarding LB, this is a photo I took last spring when I was working up loads for my backup gun, which is an 870 Express with 26" barrels using the factory turkey full (.572) shooting Longbeard in size 6.  It was easily a 40 yard pattern (pattern was 40 yards taken with lazer).  148 in a 10" circle.

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That is an outstanding pattern at 40, but the OP asked about penetration at 40 to 50 yards. IMO penetration would be sufficient at 40 but very marginal at 50.

[mightyjoeyoung]

I would say no. Lead 6s yield sufficient penetration IMO (1.25") to 44 yds @ 1,000 fps, and you may or may not get 1,000 fps from your 21" barrel. Pattern is not likely to hold up further than that anyway.

You would be taking a huge step backwards from what you are currently shooting. Are LBs head and shoulders better than any other lead load? Answer: yes. Are they in the same league with TSS 9s? Answer: no.

optimal velocity from shotgun loads is achieved within 18-20 inches of barrel so your post makes no sense...

So what exactly doesn't make sense to you that he "may or may not get 1,000 fps from his 21" barrel"? I didn't say that he wouldn't, only that he might or might not. Only way to know is to shoot and chronograph it. I suppose you believe you will always get the velocity printed on an ammo box from your 22" barreled rifle too.

Smh. I said 99.99% OF THE VELOCITY OF ANY POSTED LOAD IS GOING TO BE ACHIEVED WITHIN THE FIRST 18-20 INCHES OF BARREL. That is the accepted and proven norm and standard. Not sure where you have an issue with that. 

[TurkeyTamer]

Longbeards #6's at 40 yards. CVA scout 20 gauge

[Liljake]

What choke?

[Liljake]

Longbeards #6's at 40 yards. CVA scout 20 gauge

what choke?

[TurkeyTamer]

Longbeards #6's at 40 yards. CVA scout 20 gauge

what choke?

.  Carlson's longbeards choke .568

[mightyjoeyoung]

Longbeards #6's at 40 yards. CVA scout 20 gauge

Looks almost blown.   Very spotty with a weird hot core. Clean or dirty bbl?

[TurkeyTamer]

Longbeards #6's at 40 yards. CVA scout 20 gauge

Looks almost blown.   Very spotty with a weird hot core. Clean or dirty bbl?

It's not blown, that's a 9" circle. There ain't many lead #6's in that load anyway. That's actually a tight pattern. Most of the shot us in that circle.

[owlhoot]

I guess what I see is an  area on the left side that is a little open, like has some gaps.
The clean or dirty barrel question is food for thought and may help even it out.
If you are happy don't worry about it.