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Started by Bay1985, July 13, 2019, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 05:17:11 PMYou will not see a reduction of oil usage in your lifetime or your kids lifetime. I work for one of the largest Oil Refineries on the Gulf Coast and we have been setting production records for years with no reduction foreseeable. There is to much money in the drilling, transportation, refining and sale of oil and oil products. Not to mention the tax revenue and export income. The world runs on oil period. And even if all the tree huggers in the US could flip a switch and turn America all electric it would not slow down fossil fuel usage it would only cripple the US economy. You may have been gullible enough to buy an electric car but the transformation of a society built and ran on oil is delusional.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 07:08:03 PMI don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist. We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind). The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.
Quote from: Sir-diealot on July 15, 2019, 04:03:41 PMQuote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PMOk, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe in it. Major problem with that quote, first science said the world was created by an explosion, then they said an implosion, then there was a thing about it being spun together at one time. Science constantly contradicts itself, that is just one example.
Quote from: cuttinAR on July 15, 2019, 12:20:57 PMOk, I'm back for one more post. After reading some of this nonsense I just can't help myself. For you climate deniers, I have one quote for you.The great thing about science is it is true whether or not you believe in it.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 08:19:42 PMWhere do you see "government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario"? Where exactly do you think this money is being spent/wasted?
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 07:46:16 PMQuote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 07:08:03 PMI don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist. We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind). The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.The point of my original post was that our government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario backed by fake scientific data that has been proven wrong. Concerning US oil consumption, you claim in 10-15 years there will be a transformation of society. Now you say we have a ways to go. My previous statement stands ,not in your lifetime. You stated there's to much money to be made. How in your mind does that work? Electric cars and wind power are cheaper, then were will the profits come from? You apparently have no idea how much of the US economy is tied up in Oil. Even if the US had a ready made source of free energy available that could keep up with the demands, which they don't, to many politicians are being payed by the Oil companies to keep that from happening. And non of this makes any difference to China or any other Oil consuming country. And non of that has anything to do with fabricated science fiction theories.
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 09:01:34 PMQuote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 08:48:11 PMHow did Paris Accord cost the USA any money? It was just a piece of paper that didn't cost the USA anything. What in the Paris would have tanked the US economy?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 08:48:11 PMHow did Paris Accord cost the USA any money? It was just a piece of paper that didn't cost the USA anything. What in the Paris would have tanked the US economy?
Quote from: idgobble on July 15, 2019, 08:47:34 PMQuote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 07:46:16 PMQuote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 07:08:03 PMI don't have an electric car, I drive a Ram 1500 HEMI V8. But I can read. ALL vehicle manufacturers are pumping Billions in too electric car development. ALL electric companies are converting to renewables and natural gas. For those that don't will cease to exist. We have a ways to go before we reduce our dependence on oil but that does not negate the fact we will switch too electric cars and renewables.....and all because there is too much money too be made. Electric cars are significantly cheaper, nuclear energy is the only cheaper source of electricity other then renewables (solar/wind). The USA exports more gas/oil then any other country. That doesn't mean we won't reduce our consumption of oil. It is too cost effective too not move away from oil. Just as we've eliminated our reliance of coal we will do the same with oil. It's called progress.The point of my original post was that our government is wasting tax payer dollars trying to fix a fabricated doom scenario backed by fake scientific data that has been proven wrong. Concerning US oil consumption, you claim in 10-15 years there will be a transformation of society. Now you say we have a ways to go. My previous statement stands ,not in your lifetime. You stated there's to much money to be made. How in your mind does that work? Electric cars and wind power are cheaper, then were will the profits come from? You apparently have no idea how much of the US economy is tied up in Oil. Even if the US had a ready made source of free energy available that could keep up with the demands, which they don't, to many politicians are being payed by the Oil companies to keep that from happening. And non of this makes any difference to China or any other Oil consuming country. And non of that has anything to do with fabricated science fiction theories.Bank Of America: Oil Demand Growth To Hit Zero Within A Decadehttps://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Bank-Of-America-Oil-Demand-Growth-To-Hit-Zero-Within-A-Decade.html
Quote from: Bay1985 on July 15, 2019, 05:17:11 PMQuote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 03:11:20 PMIf you believe in global warming or not the truth is 1st world countries are reducing carbon emissions by:Building solar/wind generationEliminating dependency on coal and oil Developing electric cars for everyday useThere is no stopping this....within 10-15 years the transformation of society will reflect these new realities.You will not see a reduction of oil usage in your lifetime or your kids lifetime. I work for one of the largest Oil Refineries on the Gulf Coast and we have been setting production records for years with no reduction foreseeable. There is to much money in the drilling, transportation, refining and sale of oil and oil products. Not to mention the tax revenue and export income. The world runs on oil period. And even if all the tree huggers in the US could flip a switch and turn America all electric it would not slow down fossil fuel usage it would only cripple the US economy. You may have been gullible enough to buy an electric car but the transformation of a society built and ran on oil is delusional.
Quote from: Crghss on July 15, 2019, 03:11:20 PMIf you believe in global warming or not the truth is 1st world countries are reducing carbon emissions by:Building solar/wind generationEliminating dependency on coal and oil Developing electric cars for everyday useThere is no stopping this....within 10-15 years the transformation of society will reflect these new realities.