I shoot tss out of my 20ga and enjoy loading them. I am a turkey hunter and dont use it to extend my range. I use it because in my opinion it is the most effective in energy and patterns that i have found. I shoot birds no farther than i have over my 40 years of turkey hunting. I have let birds walk that i know i could have most likely killed with it because i felt they were past 45 yards. I still have what i feel are acceptable goals. Thats to play the game and get them in close. Even though they are in effective range for tss , i still feel i did not beat the bird so he lives to do battle with me again. Just my 2 cents.