Iam like a marine, the more gun the better. I've hunted with the twenty for two or three years and I think I do a little better with the twelve. I have more confidence when I pull the trigger. I can have a more open choke with the twelve. I don't shoot the TSS shot. Lead does every thing I want. I shoot a 870 with 28 inch barrel and never notice the weight or barrel length. Winchester super x 1 3/4 ounce of 6s. Out to forty with a extra full remington choke. Does the trick every time. Buford