Father has an older wingmaster, 12 870 express, and 20 870. All great shotguns. As far as the newer model goes I went with a BPS in a 12 and love it. However the 20 gauge 870 youth compact is extremely popular with the heavyweight and TSS crowd and I'm probably going to do a build with one myself in the next year. The light weight and ability to produce 40 yard killers out of such a compact gun with today's ammo advancements really speaks to me,, and I also have 2 year old boy who I hope catches the addiction down the road like I did. I feel like that gun would be a ideal fit for a youngster as well as wonderful for a full grown man who wants to go lighter.