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Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.
Quote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!
Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoL
Quote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian!
Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?
Quote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?
QuoteFirstly, corn can be disastrous for turkeys when it becomes exposed to moisture and grows harmful bacteria.
Quote from: SteelerFan on April 15, 2016, 03:59:20 PMWe all have to limit our shotguns to 3 rounds for the majority of the game we hunt because of market hunters killing ducks in the early 1900's (not to mention the double-barrel clan cried foul). Does a shotgun REALLY need to be plugged today? Why? The amount of game harvested is dictated by bag limits. Period. You can kill 6 ducks per day, one turkey (usually), etc. The outlaw is going to kill more than allowed regardless if his gun holds 1, 2, 3, or 5 shells. The ethical, law-abiding hunter will not.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 15, 2016, 06:45:37 PMQuote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?You, sir, aren't a turkey hunter if you'd even entertain asking that question.Firstly, corn can be disastrous for turkeys when it becomes exposed to moisture and grows harmful bacteria.Secondly, corn is like crack cocaine for turkeys. We have a brain, 10 fingers, 10 toes, guns, shells, camo, calls, and decoys. How much easier does it need to be to kill a turkey? The commercialization of hunting has finally caught up to turkey hunting. The sacredness and art of it is being lost in favor of gadgets, gimmicks, and pansies who want to throw the grand bird over there shoulders without having earned the right to kill one.
Quote from: Bill Cooksey on April 15, 2016, 06:53:09 PMQuote from: SteelerFan on April 15, 2016, 03:59:20 PMWe all have to limit our shotguns to 3 rounds for the majority of the game we hunt because of market hunters killing ducks in the early 1900's (not to mention the double-barrel clan cried foul). Does a shotgun REALLY need to be plugged today? Why? The amount of game harvested is dictated by bag limits. Period. You can kill 6 ducks per day, one turkey (usually), etc. The outlaw is going to kill more than allowed regardless if his gun holds 1, 2, 3, or 5 shells. The ethical, law-abiding hunter will not.Since you keyed on waterfowl, and that's where many of these regulations began, you are mistaken in your thoughts on limits. The average hunter rarely kills a limit. It's there to keep people from killing more on those good days where it all comes together. Basically, the laws on plugs, baiting, etc. are there to make killing a limit more difficult. If one season, duck hunters all killed a limit of six on every hunt, the seasons and limits would have to be slashed. All those regulations work together to regulate the total annual kill and keep it in the compensatory category. In fact, if hunters started just killing, on average, one more duck per hunt, we would soon the season and limit would have to be cut in short order. Daily limits are only a small piece in the puzzle. Considering the number of times I, and others I know, have thrown another shell in after emptying the magazine and killed a fourth duck from a flock, I can well imagine how many slow 2-3 duck days would have ended with a much fuller strap.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on April 15, 2016, 02:26:41 PMI don't trust the hunting industry not to exploit wildlife for profit and develop products that facilitate higher levels of success with no sense of stewardship or concern as to what is actually best for the resource.Reaping is as close to a 100% tactic as you will find in any form of hunting. I'd throw a party and invite everyone from this forum if they made it illegal nationwide.
Quote from: SteelerFan on April 15, 2016, 08:09:54 PMQuote from: Bill Cooksey on April 15, 2016, 06:53:09 PMQuote from: SteelerFan on April 15, 2016, 03:59:20 PMWe all have to limit our shotguns to 3 rounds for the majority of the game we hunt because of market hunters killing ducks in the early 1900's (not to mention the double-barrel clan cried foul). Does a shotgun REALLY need to be plugged today? Why? The amount of game harvested is dictated by bag limits. Period. You can kill 6 ducks per day, one turkey (usually), etc. The outlaw is going to kill more than allowed regardless if his gun holds 1, 2, 3, or 5 shells. The ethical, law-abiding hunter will not.Since you keyed on waterfowl, and that's where many of these regulations began, you are mistaken in your thoughts on limits. The average hunter rarely kills a limit. It's there to keep people from killing more on those good days where it all comes together. Basically, the laws on plugs, baiting, etc. are there to make killing a limit more difficult. If one season, duck hunters all killed a limit of six on every hunt, the seasons and limits would have to be slashed. All those regulations work together to regulate the total annual kill and keep it in the compensatory category. In fact, if hunters started just killing, on average, one more duck per hunt, we would soon the season and limit would have to be cut in short order. Daily limits are only a small piece in the puzzle. Considering the number of times I, and others I know, have thrown another shell in after emptying the magazine and killed a fourth duck from a flock, I can well imagine how many slow 2-3 duck days would have ended with a much fuller strap.I'll have to agree to disagree with you on this theory. Daily limits are set with the notion that each hunter just might limit out on each hunt. By your calculations, they could raise the daily bag limit to 10 ducks, as long as you used single-shot guns? A slow day in the blind is a slow day. A great day could be a limit in the first hour...or someone that hunts all day to kill 6. Six dead ducks are six dead ducks.I will agree with you that hunter efficiency / success is definitely a consideration when establishing daily bag limits and season lengths.
Quote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 07:35:01 PMQuote from: C. Brumfiel on April 15, 2016, 05:07:33 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 04:45:26 PMQuote from: albrubacker on April 15, 2016, 04:30:07 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 03:00:14 PMQuote from: g8rvet on April 15, 2016, 02:46:39 PMQuote from: Spurs on April 15, 2016, 02:12:12 PMI see it a bunch on forums, Facebook, and magazines. "Ban this product!!!" or "ban that style of hunting!!!"Am I the only one that is such a strict conservative (politically speaking) that I feel that following current laws is enough? Don't get me wrong, if there were say a brand new, "Turkey Killa Thrilla" decoy that would coax a turkey half a mile through downtown New York into my lap, by all means.......BUT I want to see documented evidence, proven by multiple state agencies/third party assistance (this is a must), and sources for the public to view this evidence, WITH public input prior to the ban taking place. Am I the only person that does not trust our government to handle these issues?You sound more Libertarian! Your definition of liberal and conservative is much different than mine. LoLLibertarians are nothing like a liberal!I cover all spectrums to an extent, but that's another conversation that will not be done on social media. LolHappy hit on something that I was afraid would happen. I do think the restrictions, at least here in AR are good as is...with the exception of the season dates. With that said, I am saying that killing with no guidelines is bad. Baiting, night hunting, killing hens, etc. have been proven to dwindle a flock to the point of 0% chance of rebounding. Those laws are needed and have proof the back them up. Reaping, fanning, decoys, calls, shotguns that shoot 40+ yards DO NOT. So, without evidence, there should be no banning of said methods. If they can prove that without a doubt any of those, or other, styles of hunting can diminish a flock to a point of no return...then outlaw it.I'm not convinced that baiting should be outlawed. It's being done on deer, why not turkey?Hmmmmm....apples and oranges.