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Started by Trad1, March 05, 2016, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 05, 2016, 10:54:47 PMWhy would anyone still shoot lead 4's when hevi 6s hit with the same amount of kinetic energy and give you 25% more pellets?
Quote from: maytom on March 06, 2016, 05:13:30 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 05, 2016, 10:54:47 PMWhy would anyone still shoot lead 4's when hevi 6s hit with the same amount of kinetic energy and give you 25% more pellets?The cost factor. Why spend almost $30.00 for a box of 5 shells, when you can get a box of 10 for $17.00? If you go to the pattern range and pattern your gun at various distances, you will end up shooting at the minimum 10 shells or more.
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 06, 2016, 06:57:20 AMQuote from: maytom on March 06, 2016, 05:13:30 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 05, 2016, 10:54:47 PMWhy would anyone still shoot lead 4's when hevi 6s hit with the same amount of kinetic energy and give you 25% more pellets?The cost factor. Why spend almost $30.00 for a box of 5 shells, when you can get a box of 10 for $17.00? If you go to the pattern range and pattern your gun at various distances, you will end up shooting at the minimum 10 shells or more.When you've got $1500 in a turkey gun, thousands between out of state licenses, leases, and gas costs, whats's $60 in ammo to shoot 8-10 turkeys and another $30.00 to check the zero on your gun after traveling?
Quote from: bbcoach on March 05, 2016, 08:10:32 PMFortunately or Unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, technology has increased so much over the last twenty years that we have TOO MANY choices to hunt turkeys. The invention of the 3 1/2" shell, tighter chokes, heavier than lead shot and tight turkey loads has caused us to believe more is better. I killed my first bird at 29 yards with a 2 3/4", 1 1/2 oz. load of number 5's that I had reloaded on my MEC. Since then, I bought into a 3 1/2" 835 with Hevi 7's and a .670 Pure Gold choke. They both kill, just as dead, to 40 yards so do we really need this added technology?
Quote from: rem 300 on March 05, 2016, 09:56:11 PMi really like the Winchester Longbeard #4's
Quote from: Bowguy on March 06, 2016, 08:52:15 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 06, 2016, 06:57:20 AMQuote from: maytom on March 06, 2016, 05:13:30 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 05, 2016, 10:54:47 PMWhy would anyone still shoot lead 4's when hevi 6s hit with the same amount of kinetic energy and give you 25% more pellets?The cost factor. Why spend almost $30.00 for a box of 5 shells, when you can get a box of 10 for $17.00? If you go to the pattern range and pattern your gun at various distances, you will end up shooting at the minimum 10 shells or more.When you've got $1500 in a turkey gun, thousands between out of state licenses, leases, and gas costs, whats's $60 in ammo to shoot 8-10 turkeys and another $30.00 to check the zero on your gun after traveling? The cost factor is part of the reason lots of guys don't switch but also the marketing is bs n has guys brainwashed imo. Think about something, if you have a load that patternd very well at 40 yards n less, good evenly distributed pattern w zero holes why on earth would someone need to "kill em deader" or "pattern em better"? Doesn't make sense. Many guys don't hunt many other states or as I do hunt two but lives 5 miles from the border so gas is not an issue. Also most everyone I know for good reason hunts w an 835, fairly inexpensive gun that I feel has no equal except for perhaps some 10 gauges. Where I live leases are split among multiple guys n there's tons of state land, much mountainous n few climb it. Fairly inexpensive compared to the method described. That being said everyone has preferences to how they see things best. To each his own but the dead bird doesn't care how it got dead
Quote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 06, 2016, 09:14:31 AMQuote from: Bowguy on March 06, 2016, 08:52:15 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 06, 2016, 06:57:20 AMQuote from: maytom on March 06, 2016, 05:13:30 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 05, 2016, 10:54:47 PMWhy would anyone still shoot lead 4's when hevi 6s hit with the same amount of kinetic energy and give you 25% more pellets?The cost factor. Why spend almost $30.00 for a box of 5 shells, when you can get a box of 10 for $17.00? If you go to the pattern range and pattern your gun at various distances, you will end up shooting at the minimum 10 shells or more.When you've got $1500 in a turkey gun, thousands between out of state licenses, leases, and gas costs, whats's $60 in ammo to shoot 8-10 turkeys and another $30.00 to check the zero on your gun after traveling? The cost factor is part of the reason lots of guys don't switch but also the marketing is bs n has guys brainwashed imo. Think about something, if you have a load that patternd very well at 40 yards n less, good evenly distributed pattern w zero holes why on earth would someone need to "kill em deader" or "pattern em better"? Doesn't make sense. Many guys don't hunt many other states or as I do hunt two but lives 5 miles from the border so gas is not an issue. Also most everyone I know for good reason hunts w an 835, fairly inexpensive gun that I feel has no equal except for perhaps some 10 gauges. Where I live leases are split among multiple guys n there's tons of state land, much mountainous n few climb it. Fairly inexpensive compared to the method described. That being said everyone has preferences to how they see things best. To each his own but the dead bird doesn't care how it got deadWhen I'm 1500 miles from home on a 3 state, 10 day trip I don't want to wonder if I've got enough KE to kill a bird hung up at 50-55 yards.Sure, most of my birds are shot in the 25-35 yard range and I shoot some inside 15 each year but I want filled tags when time is of the essence and money (airfare, licenses, hotels)is heavily invested. Whether I've got to bust some brush to kill one at 25 or have nothing but air between myself and a gobbler at 50, lead is not the load I want conducting those transactions.Whether I'm shooting gobblers 10 minutes from my house or 2000 miles from home, the $9 Nitro I shoot out of my browning silver or $7 hevi-13 6 I shoot out of my 870 supermag is a negligible cost. I shot plenty of turkeys with lead as a kid and they all flopped. They'd flop for 3-5 minutes if I let them. Birds shot with hevi-13, federal heavyweight and TSS don't flop nearly as much, if at all. I like em dead. Real dead.
Quote from: Bowguy on March 06, 2016, 09:18:46 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 06, 2016, 09:14:31 AMQuote from: Bowguy on March 06, 2016, 08:52:15 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 06, 2016, 06:57:20 AMQuote from: maytom on March 06, 2016, 05:13:30 AMQuote from: VaTuRkStOmPeR on March 05, 2016, 10:54:47 PMWhy would anyone still shoot lead 4's when hevi 6s hit with the same amount of kinetic energy and give you 25% more pellets?The cost factor. Why spend almost $30.00 for a box of 5 shells, when you can get a box of 10 for $17.00? If you go to the pattern range and pattern your gun at various distances, you will end up shooting at the minimum 10 shells or more.When you've got $1500 in a turkey gun, thousands between out of state licenses, leases, and gas costs, whats's $60 in ammo to shoot 8-10 turkeys and another $30.00 to check the zero on your gun after traveling? The cost factor is part of the reason lots of guys don't switch but also the marketing is bs n has guys brainwashed imo. Think about something, if you have a load that patternd very well at 40 yards n less, good evenly distributed pattern w zero holes why on earth would someone need to "kill em deader" or "pattern em better"? Doesn't make sense. Many guys don't hunt many other states or as I do hunt two but lives 5 miles from the border so gas is not an issue. Also most everyone I know for good reason hunts w an 835, fairly inexpensive gun that I feel has no equal except for perhaps some 10 gauges. Where I live leases are split among multiple guys n there's tons of state land, much mountainous n few climb it. Fairly inexpensive compared to the method described. That being said everyone has preferences to how they see things best. To each his own but the dead bird doesn't care how it got deadWhen I'm 1500 miles from home on a 3 state, 10 day trip I don't want to wonder if I've got enough KE to kill a bird hung up at 50-55 yards.Sure, most of my birds are shot in the 25-35 yard range and I shoot some inside 15 each year but I want filled tags when time is of the essence and money (airfare, licenses, hotels)is heavily invested. Whether I've got to bust some brush to kill one at 25 or have nothing but air between myself and a gobbler at 50, lead is not the load I want conducting those transactions.Whether I'm shooting gobblers 10 minutes from my house or 2000 miles from home, the $9 Nitro I shoot out of my browning silver or $7 hevi-13 6 I shoot out of my 870 supermag is a negligible cost. I shot plenty of turkeys with lead as a kid and they all flopped. They'd flop for 3-5 minutes if I let them. Birds shot with hevi-13, federal heavyweight and TSS don't flop nearly as much, if at all. I like em dead. Real dead.Dead is dead, the marketing messin w people's heads is key here, you cannot get extra dead. Death is final, there's no more. Nitros have blown up many barrels so Id not use them if free. 40 yards is the max we can talk about here but on paper my guns pattern further, I just work em closer. God bless ya if you can spend a few grand to hunt each spring. Lots of guys can't