thanks for all the posts guys looks like i will leave them alone,if they had of had the 20g in #6 i would of took all they had, they said they were rem hevi shot.i have 2 box,s of the 10 count hevi 13 that i got from a good friend up here so that will keep the wife happy with the mossy bantam. as for me i will use the 12g as i can,t find a 870 in 20g in realtree camo with a 26in pipe nowhere in ontario and if i order its 6 weeks season startsin 25 days,Thanks again Wes