I hope they work for you guys, I wish the hevi 13 were faster, 1090 is a bit slow,but I have never killed a gobbler with lead 6 shot past 35 yards,but stone cold killed with hevi 13 7 shot well past the preferred 40 yard , with 200 plus in a 10 with lead 6, it should killem ok, I will stick to HTL for know,or lead 5 and 4 shot for back up. I do have some 3.5in turkey thugs 6 shot for close thick hunting but have not shot them yet to see how they pattern,Got enough other HTL, and HV win 5 for that , Hev 13 needs to change ther name to Hevi 12.