thanks guys, i finally got time to count them, i put a paper plate about 1 in below the dot and drew a circle and i came up with 110 one time and 108 another time with the heavyweights, this was 40 yards with a dirty barrel.i have to say i am impressed with the sumtoy choke, i tried the fed turkey thugs also and got 60 at 35 yards, the Winchester lead shot better than the turkey thugs but i lost the paper i shot with them.