Winchester Longbeard XR Penetration Observation

[decoykrvr]

I was patterning several shotguns yesterday (70 degrees and breezy) and was shooting both Federal HW 10 gauge #7's and a few of the Winchester 12 gauge Longbeard XR, 3" #6 shot.  I hold my targets on the patterning board w/ 11/4" black metal file clips.  At a lazered 40 yards the Winchester lead 6's were putting a 1/32" dent in the clips.  The Federal HW 7's were punching through one side of the clip-through the cardboard backing of my target- and exiting the back side of the clip.  With that said, the patterns w/ the Winchester Longbeard XR #6 were phenominal and averaged 198 in 10" with a nice even dispersal of shot in 20".  I've got a substantial "stash" of the "old" EM Hevi13 7's, 6's and MagBlends and will be hunting w/ them for years to come, but with all the variability in the components, performance, and cost of the EM Hevi13 shells would advise folks to pattern and evaluate the new Winchester Longbeard XR offerings.  My hunch is that a load of Longbeard XR 6's in the chamber w/ 2 Longbeard XR 5's as backup's may be the ticket.  My only diconcerting observation on the XR's, and I only patterened them at 40 yards, was that the wads were all recovered approximately 18 yards from my shooting position which is indicative of an extremely tight close pattern.

[klemsontigers7]

Thanks for the info.  I wish the Longbeards were 1300 fps like the Heavyweights.  The #7 HW are about the same weight as the #6 LB but probably have about 90 more fps at 40 yds.

[davisd9]

Thanks for the info.  I wish the Longbeards were 1300 fps like the Heavyweights.  The #7 HW are about the same weight as the #6 LB but probably have about 90 more fps at 40 yds.

The Fed HWs are 15 g/cc and lead is the 11 g/cc. They are no where close to the same weight. Those HWs are the barest factory loads on the market.

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[klemsontigers7]

Thanks for the info.  I wish the Longbeards were 1300 fps like the Heavyweights.  The #7 HW are about the same weight as the #6 LB but probably have about 90 more fps at 40 yds.

The Fed HWs are 15 g/cc and lead is the 11 g/cc. They are no where close to the same weight. Those HWs are the barest factory loads on the market.

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Actually, the weight of a #6 lead is almost identical to the weight of a #7 Fed HW, like I said above.  Do some research or calculate it yourself. 

[davisd9]

Whatever brother. Just trying to help you but believe what you will.


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[klemsontigers7]

Whatever brother. Just trying to help you but believe what you will.


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Tell me then, what is the weight of 1 pellet of lead #6?
What is the weight of 1 pellet of Fed HW #7?

I'll do it for you:
.12910 grams and .130 grams...

[davisd9]

Like I said believe what you want, but does not make it right. That is all I am going to say.

Hope you kill a bunch with your beloved LBs!


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[klemsontigers7]

Like I said believe what you want, but does not make it right. That is all I am going to say.

Hope you kill a bunch with your beloved LBs!


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I think you have weight and density confused....

[davisd9]

Whether it is weight or density the two do not compare. The HWs are going to penetrate and hit harder. The lead will have give against bone because of its softness where the HWs will not.


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[klemsontigers7]

Oldgobbler even has a pellet count and pellet weight FAQ on pellet counts/weights.

[klemsontigers7]

Whether it is weight or density the two do not compare. The HWs are going to penetrate and hit harder. The lead will have give against bone because of its softness where the HWs will not.


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I didn't argue that. I stated pellet weight and you said I was wrong.

[davisd9]

Good for you and if that is what makes you laugh like that you have sad life. Chuckle all you want. I will laugh a good bit myself as I wait for harvest pictures from you.


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[klemsontigers7]

K

[klemsontigers7]

Sorry to anyone who read this thread. OG has gotten to the point where posting indisputable facts (pellet weight) causes an argument.

[CASH]

OP, I'll take that last post means your thread is no longer high jacked.

Carry on