Haha. Nobody get worked up here. I want to "shy away" from hevi, because I don't want to tell my bro in law that he is stuck buying expensive shells in the future. I'm helping him out and trying to get him started, so I'm footing the bill for most of it now (vest, A call, choke, shells, thermacell..). If I could get him setup with a good lead load, then it will be much easier on his pocket in the future. I know I know, he'll only shoot a box a year at most and blah blah, but he loves to hunt and he is on a very serious budget. I shoot hevi, and I love it, but I'd rather see him shoot lead. I like ALL of the feedback so far. Once this godforsaken winter eases up, we will shoot some different shells and report back. Thanks gents.