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THP / Fine / Warden

Started by Greg Massey, March 18, 2025, 11:13:55 AM

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GobbleNut

Quote from: Guskie on March 18, 2025, 06:59:14 PMIt clearly states in the Frequently Asked Questions section of the MDWFP website that "Drawn non-resident hunters may be accompanied by one licensed guest, aged 16 years or older".

If this is the actual wording of the regulation, the entire issue is a no-brainer.  I would go to court, show the judge my driver's license, he would dismiss the case while admonishing the wildlife agency to learn how to write regulations properly, and I would walk out the door. 

On the other hand, if the wording of the regulation actually reads something to the effect of " ...may be accompanied by one guest who has a valid turkey hunting license in the state of Mississippi" then I would admittedly very sheepishly (like the video shows the THP boys did) accept my fate, pay my fine, and try to be more thorough when reviewing state hunting regulations.
 

Guskie

GN - that is how it is stated in the "Frequently Asked Questions" page. I hope it more clearly defined in state code.

GobbleNut

Quote from: Guskie on March 18, 2025, 09:43:52 PMGN - that is how it is stated in the "Frequently Asked Questions" page. I hope it more clearly defined in state code.

I suspect that it is...and is probably pretty clear in the regs, as well. I only pointed it out because I have seen some pretty badly worded regulations over the years from agencies that should have known better.  :)

Zobo

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Feel bad for them?!!! This is called CONTENT, for their hunting shows. They probably set it up. 500$?!! are you guys kidding me, you think that's a  significant sum of money for that corporation? You see we are talking about it. It creates controversy which equates to money in the bank for THP.
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TrackeySauresRex

Quote from: Zobo on March 18, 2025, 10:16:54 PMFeel bad for them?!!! This is called CONTENT, for their hunting shows. They probably set it up. 500$?!! are you guys kidding me, you think that's a  significant sum of money for that corporation? You see we are talking about it. It creates controversy which equates to money in the bank for THP.

  Drama will get more clicks and subscribers.
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Shiloh

They got a ticket for not following the regs.  They made a video about it to warn others to carefully check the regs and also to get ahead of the internet assumptions.  They haven't made any excuses for what they did nor have they been negative about the officer or what she did. No more no less. 

deerhunt1988

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Quote from: Zobo on March 18, 2025, 10:16:54 PMFeel bad for them?!!! This is called CONTENT, for their hunting shows. They probably set it up. 500$?!! are you guys kidding me, you think that's a  significant sum of money for that corporation? You see we are talking about it. It creates controversy which equates to money in the bank for THP.

Video had ~10,000 views when someone sent it to me last night about 2 hours after being posted. Its now nearly at 100k views in a day. $$$$$

The folks simping over them in the comments is hilarious. Its literally a cult-like following for these YouTubers.

On the huge Mississippi Turkey Hunters Facebook group, the bulk of the comments are on the other end of the spectrum. Glad people are finally waking up to the damage that has been done.

POk3s

I think it could have very easily been a warning, just like most "small" issues or easily overlooked things. Sounds like the game wardens were waiting on them when they came out which makes me wonder if an OldGobbler member didn't recognize their vehicle and immediately call the authorities on them ;)

Regardless, a $500 is a bit much, if a fine at all, for that violation.

They owned it before anybody spun a story of it. Admirable of them of not trying to hide anything.

GAmountainman

Some of the money they've made from state wildlife departments should cover that no problem.

Kygobblergetter

For whatever it's worth... my buddy wanted to come with me to hunt Mississippi a few years ago and video the hunt. Not for YouTube or anything. We don't post hunts, I was going for a couple days and wanted someone to make the drive and share camp with. We noticed this in the regs and called MDWFP for clarification. He bought a license and videoed me killing a bird. He's a good friend.


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Kygobblergetter

I feel that it is a stupid rule, but it's the rule. I'm sure we have all overlooked some regulation at some point. But if we were caught and ticketed over it, then it is what it is.


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bbcoach

I think we are losing sight of the REAL picture here.  This has NOTHING to do with how WE view or feel about THP and their videos, followers and possible detriment to turkey hunting.  What we need to focus on is the Rule of Law.  The argument I have is there was ZERO intent to Hunt.  Most State Regs have a page that refers to Manner of Taking and NO where does it state taking game with a camera.  If this is the State of MS view, then people that are nature lovers, videoing or taking pictures with a camera of elk, deer, turkeys, bears etc could be written a ticket for Hunting Without a License as well.  I contend that if the State of Mississippi can do this to THP and take away their 1st Amendment rights, they can do this to any of us as well.  Great thread Greg and Great posts everyone.

aclawrence

Quote from: Kygobblergetter on March 19, 2025, 08:09:56 AMFor whatever it's worth... my buddy wanted to come with me to hunt Mississippi a few years ago and video the hunt. Not for YouTube or anything. We don't post hunts, I was going for a couple days and wanted someone to make the drive and share camp with. We noticed this in the regs and called MDWFP for clarification. He bought a license and videoed me killing a bird. He's a good friend.


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That is a good friend! That's an expensive license to pay for to video a hunt.


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captpete

About 25-30yrs ago my brother-in-law wanted to go duck hunting with me and just video the hunt. I contacted the DNR officer that patrolled our area to see if my BIL needed a license & stamps. He said, technically my BIL did not need them if is only videoing. BUT, if he touches a decoy, picks up a shell I drop, rearranges the brush on the blind, points out a duck to me, etc., he is participating in the hunt. The officer advice was my BIL would actually be better off if he sat somewhere other than in the blind with me or spend the $35-$40 for license/stamps and have fun.

For spring turkey hunting this is taken directly from the handout regulations book. It doesn't mention anything about videoing, but this handout is not the complete set of regs.

HELPING OTHER HUNTERS
A resident hunter with a valid spring turkey
hunting license for any season may assist
other hunters in any season. A nonresident
may assist other hunters only in the zone and
season indicated on his or her license. The
hunter doing the assisting may not carry a
shotgun or bow or shoot a turkey unless he or
she has a valid license and an unfilled
transportation tag for that zone and season.
 

Kygobblergetter

Quote from: aclawrence on March 19, 2025, 08:48:37 AM
Quote from: Kygobblergetter on March 19, 2025, 08:09:56 AMFor whatever it's worth... my buddy wanted to come with me to hunt Mississippi a few years ago and video the hunt. Not for YouTube or anything. We don't post hunts, I was going for a couple days and wanted someone to make the drive and share camp with. We noticed this in the regs and called MDWFP for clarification. He bought a license and videoed me killing a bird. He's a good friend.


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That is a good friend! That's an expensive license to pay for to video a hunt.


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To top that off... we found another bird that evening. I told him to try and kill it the next morning and he said he was perfectly content to watch me shoot that one as well. I didn't kill him and he was a complete screwball bird. But that changes nothing. He was up to bat the next year in Florida but "forgot" to load his gun and told me I better shoot that Osceola before he got out of there. After I killed it he told me it wouldn't have made any sense for him to shoot it when that was the bird to finish my grand slam. He also hunted Indiana with me last year when season was nearing its end and he still had a Kentucky tag to fill. I killed in Indiana that morning. Him, my wife, and I went to one of HIS spots on the last day of the Kentucky season and when we finally got a bird to break he tried everything in his power to let my wife shoot. It didn't work out that way and he killed the bird. But he genuinely felt bad about it. I have been able to get him to shoot a few in front of me over the years though.


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