Missouri to eliminate non residents?

[arkrem870]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

This isn't about the turkeys as much as you'd think.  Restricting non residents is for the resident hunters improved hunting experience.  YouTubers /social media undoubtedly influenced turkey hunter numbers and specifically traveling turkey hunters. This data has been provided over and over again. These draws/restriction are a direct response. Newtons 3rd law applies. 

[Andy S.]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

Poult survival is understood by the minority of turkey hunters these days. Don't confuse modern day "look at me" turkey hunters with conservationists who think long term and have the best interest of the resource in mind. For the last decade, numerous short sighted YouTube influencers have continued to breed and promote the "grip and grin" hunter during a very volatile time period for wild turkeys. This is just another hindrance and setback for an already strained resource. Killing a higher percentage of existing male birds with known poor recruitment is not sustainable, and not understood by most. I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how YouTube is responsible for any conservation minded actions that have benefited the wild turkey and wild turkey hunting experience.

[CALLM2U]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

Poult survival is understood by the minority of turkey hunters these days. Don't confuse modern day "look at me" turkey hunters with conservationists who think long term and have the best interest of the resource in mind. For the last decade, numerous short sighted YouTube influencers have continued to breed and promote the "grip and grin" hunter during a very volatile time period for wild turkeys. This is just another hindrance and setback for an already strained resource. Killing a higher percentage of existing male birds with known poor recruitment is not sustainable, and not understood by most. I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how YouTube is responsible for any conservation minded actions that have benefited the wild turkey and wild turkey hunting experience.

So it sounds like you agree, YouTube isn't the root cause.  I'm not saying it's helping, but it's laughable how people-many on this site promote YT as the primary reason for the decline. 

Folks even want to say that the YouTubers are sharing pins hurting the population and ignore that OnX (and other mapping products) provides the ability to share said pins. 

My point, YouTube and even OnX isn't the root cause.  But many stand on that soapbox.

[arkrem870]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

Poult survival is understood by the minority of turkey hunters these days. Don't confuse modern day "look at me" turkey hunters with conservationists who think long term and have the best interest of the resource in mind. For the last decade, numerous short sighted YouTube influencers have continued to breed and promote the "grip and grin" hunter during a very volatile time period for wild turkeys. This is just another hindrance and setback for an already strained resource. Killing a higher percentage of existing male birds with known poor recruitment is not sustainable, and not understood by most. I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how YouTube is responsible for any conservation minded actions that have benefited the wild turkey and wild turkey hunting experience.

So it sounds like you agree, YouTube isn't the root cause.  I'm not saying it's helping, but it's laughable how people-many on this site promote YT as the primary reason for the decline. 

Folks even want to say that the YouTubers are sharing pins hurting the population and ignore that OnX (and other mapping products) provides the ability to share said pins. 

My point, YouTube and even OnX isn't the root cause.  But many stand on that soapbox.

Whats laughable is the FACT that what we said was gonna happen.....is happening. We are losing Hunter opportunity through draws, closures , and non resident specific regulation. Only prob is it makes me want to cry instead of laugh. You can't influence thousands of people to hit the road turkey hunting and not expect consequences.

[deerhunt1988]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

Poult survival is understood by the minority of turkey hunters these days. Don't confuse modern day "look at me" turkey hunters with conservationists who think long term and have the best interest of the resource in mind. For the last decade, numerous short sighted YouTube influencers have continued to breed and promote the "grip and grin" hunter during a very volatile time period for wild turkeys. This is just another hindrance and setback for an already strained resource. Killing a higher percentage of existing male birds with known poor recruitment is not sustainable, and not understood by most. I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how YouTube is responsible for any conservation minded actions that have benefited the wild turkey and wild turkey hunting experience.

So it sounds like you agree, YouTube isn't the root cause.  I'm not saying it's helping, but it's laughable how people-many on this site promote YT as the primary reason for the decline. 

Folks even want to say that the YouTubers are sharing pins hurting the population and ignore that OnX (and other mapping products) provides the ability to share said pins. 

My point, YouTube and even OnX isn't the root cause.  But many stand on that soapbox.

Whats laughable is the FACT that what we said was gonna happen.....is happening. We are losing Hunter opportunity through draws, closures , and non resident specific regulation. Only prob is it makes me want to cry instead of laugh. You can't influence thousands of people to hit the road turkey hunting and not expect consequences.

Started calling all this ~5 years ago. But I missed the ball majorly on HOW FAST it would all come crumbling down around us. Now i'm afraid I underestimated how ugly it really is gonna get. My kid and future generations will never have a fraction of the turkey hunting opportunities we had just 5 years ago.

[Andy S.]

Whats laughable is the FACT that what we said was gonna happen.....is happening. We are losing Hunter opportunity through draws, closures , and non resident specific regulation. Only prob is it makes me want to cry instead of laugh. You can't influence thousands of people to hit the road turkey hunting and not expect consequences.

Say it louder for those in the back of the room. Many of us predicted this a decade ago as the "look at me" influencers hit the scene to cash in on the resource, with little to no regard for long term consequences. IMO, one must not be able to think past their nose to have not seen this coming.

[bcuda]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

This isn't about the turkeys as much as you'd think.  Restricting non residents is for the resident hunters improved hunting experience.  YouTubers /social media undoubtedly influenced turkey hunter numbers and specifically traveling turkey hunters. This data has been provided over and over again. These draws/restriction are a direct response. Newtons 3rd law applies. 

What about the person that owns land in Missouri but is not a resident, now they can not even hunt on their own land but yet they pay taxes on the land. But the resident that does not own land can hunt sounds like a heck of a deal.

[Dtrkyman]

Just found the survey email in my trash, it had someone's name as the heading so I deleted it, found it in the trash and responded.

I think deer is going to see some changes, turkey?  Likely on public lands and not private, I hate to see opportunity go away but what I saw deer hunting there last fall was borderline insanity!

I hunt turkey there every year, stay with a friend and mostly hunt public but a little private as well, would hate to see much if any change but something is likely to happen.

When I lived in Illinois I hunted the opener often, but since moving out west I typically do not make it until several days after.

[Hook hanger]

Guys this is a turkey survey they added deer and duck to it because of how crowded those are on public land here. They really don't care what you say in your answers. Changes are already made and they are proofreading them right now so the new booklets for 2026 year are ready to print early.

[blake_08]

I'm sure some here remember it, but before Oklahoma went to a 1 bird state and a late season start date, they sent out a similar survey asking for public input. In the survey, they asked for opposition/support in Oklahoma going to a 2 bird state, as well as some other questions. When the results came out and changes were announced, they announced they were going to a 1 bird state and other things that were not in the survey or different from what they were asking. As far as ODWC is concerned, I really dont think they care about public input. Maybe MDC is different.

[3bailey3]

Hook hanger so what are the new changes?

[Andy S.]

Hook hanger so what are the new changes?

Great question. I'm wondering the same thing.

[ruination]

I'm still waiting on someone to explain how YouTube is responsible for the significant drop in poult survival since 1980. 

Poult survival is understood by the minority of turkey hunters these days. Don't confuse modern day "look at me" turkey hunters with conservationists who think long term and have the best interest of the resource in mind. For the last decade, numerous short sighted YouTube influencers have continued to breed and promote the "grip and grin" hunter during a very volatile time period for wild turkeys. This is just another hindrance and setback for an already strained resource. Killing a higher percentage of existing male birds with known poor recruitment is not sustainable, and not understood by most. I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how YouTube is responsible for any conservation minded actions that have benefited the wild turkey and wild turkey hunting experience.

Well, by your own admission it has recruited more hunters which means more revenue.  It has also spurred an interest and research.  Further, people who have been inspired to travel, are indeed, having a good time.

[quavers59]

  I have always wanted to Turkey Hunt in Missouri.

[GobbleNut]

Killing a higher percentage of existing male birds with known poor recruitment is not sustainable

Bingo! Until the recruitment/reproduction problem is solved (where it exists), wildlife managers (if they are acting responsibly) will continue to implement more restrictive harvest strategies (season lengths, bag limits, hunter restrictions [quotas, drawing, nonresident restrictions. etc.]). Your point here is right on target (and applies to ANY wildlife population): without sustained population recruitment over time, hunting will eventually be curtailed (and possibly eliminated altogether).

It is a pretty simple theory of wildlife management...and no amount of complaining about how things were in the "old days" is going to change it.