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State Bag Limits- Too Many Or Too Few?

Started by quavers59, March 27, 2024, 04:29:41 AM

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Clif Owen

As I see it; habitat loss is huge. And sometimes, somethinng weird just happens. Several years ago, a buddy of mine saw a bunch of jakes that particular spring while hunting. He probably let 4 or 5 groups of 4 or 5 walk away. We thought the next spring was going to be lots of fun..only problem was; the next spring, we never heard the first gobbler in any of those areas and only found 1 hen track. We have no idea what happened or where they could have gone. Wildlife and fisheries denies trapping them..says no reports of dieoffs..nothing.
I know the reports say that few guys collect more than 1 bird. But I know in some cases, some of these guys shoot far more than that. I know a guy who told me several years ago that he had gotten 10 the previous year by driving around on rainy days and shooting from the truck. He got caught last year for that exact violation..and not tagging the turkey. Years ago, a poacher was caught night hunting and had been selling the game. The report was he had killed over 1000 deer and turkeys in the previous 3 years. Just imagine the damage THAT did to the populations

eggshell

Bag restrictions can actually in rare cases work against a population. Game animals seem to do best when they are harvested to the allowable limit. It keeps them in recovery mode. Stock pile too many and you exceed the carrying capacity and nature will cull and correct the imbalance. She usually does it very cruelly by human standards and it's usually an over correction. Her favorite tool is Disease. Over abundance of predators, again from lack of hunting are overzealous killers. I hold a personal opinion that deer baiting has been very bad for our turkeys, it concentrates them and spreads disease. When entire flocks disappear suddenly I am guessing it's disease. My cousins farm has been intensely managed for years and within one year the entire east side flock disappeared (on 980 acres) . Hunting and predators didn't do that. There's a group of deer hunters that bait the neighbors and I wonder if they got some bad corn. Perhaps the avian flue hit them. I heard a veterinarian virologist say avian flue was 100% fatal to turkeys. I know one thing I believe as an absolute, removing one gobbler from a personal bag limit is a joke when it comes to saving turkeys. It's all fluff and propaganda. I done the numbers for Ohio and it came down to Approx. one gobbler per township +/- (23,000 acres) saved. That's a nothing number when it comes to flock preservation. The loud voices cry, "Do something" and the DNR do the most obvious and easiest. The NWTF and TFT are two very loud voices. They don't always get it right. The trouble is high ranking people see a problem in their little honey hole or state region  and cry, "The world is ending". It's not ending, but there are localized problems. What happens in Ga. may or may not apply in the northern states. 

arkrem870

Between wildlife commissions/dnr's using unproven theories to delay seasons etc, states retaliating against each other with non resident restrictions etc, a slew of people trying to be social media famous with no thought of the regular Joe local hunters left to pick up the pieces after they are long gone and the hunting industry (mossy oak etc) funding the entire thing for profit. We are in a mess for the near future
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