my hunting buddy (5'8" at 160lbs) shoots the short barrel super mag with the shur-shot stock and 3.5" LB's and I can say that it absolutely stomps him. he actually put a cheek pad on the stock to ease the pain. last time we shot together he was paying close attention to my 20ga patterns with LB #6's and he is now in the market for one. but I can say this...his set-up throws unbelievable patterns at distances waaay farther than one needs to even think about.