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Started by Hobbes, April 17, 2022, 01:18:11 AM
Quote from: Yoder409 on April 17, 2022, 07:15:14 AMQuote from: Hobbes on April 17, 2022, 01:18:11 AMAnother factor that I'm not even capable of calculating is how deformation or shape of the shot affects penetration. It's my understanding that TSS is "more spherical". That would increase penetration. It is also harder, so it would not deform like lead. Deformation sucks up energy that is used for penetration, so the harder shot would not lose penetration capability due to deformation.I'm not capable of calculating this, either. But, just in layman's terms, think of the difference between a round nose jacketed bullet and a full metal jacket bullet. "Mushrooming"..............or flattening eats up projectile energy. Not to mention the resulting projectile (pellet) deflection effect due to the deformation. Straight line penetration always wins.I've never put a TSS pellet on a turkey. I'm still old skool and shoot Hevi 7's. You laid out, in great detail, some pretty convincing number theories............which I believe are very telling. But, I can believe one thing, and KNOW the same........or another. What I do KNOW is that the Hevi 7's will give exit wounds on a gobbler's head a LOOOOONG way farther away than will lead 5's or 6's. Seen it. Done it. At 3-4 gm/cc MORE than Hevi 7's the TSS can't be anything other than more of the same.Whether a guy can bring himself to foot the price tag of the tungsten shotshells or not is up to him. Lead still kills convincingly as ever. But the effectiveness of the expensive stuff is in NO WAY in question or even a topic for debate.
Quote from: Hobbes on April 17, 2022, 01:18:11 AMAnother factor that I'm not even capable of calculating is how deformation or shape of the shot affects penetration. It's my understanding that TSS is "more spherical". That would increase penetration. It is also harder, so it would not deform like lead. Deformation sucks up energy that is used for penetration, so the harder shot would not lose penetration capability due to deformation.
Quote from: Old Timer on April 17, 2022, 02:22:53 PMHevi 7 is not made anymore is it ? Options?
Quote from: ol bob on April 17, 2022, 08:11:52 AMI'm just a dumb ol country boy so when I started messing with tss I put up a sheet of tin at 40 yards and shot it with a 12 ga. 31/2 # 6, and a 20 ga. 2 3/4 # 9 tss after looking at the results I put the 12 ga. up for good.
Quote from: GobbleNut on April 18, 2022, 12:04:05 AMIn a lot of these discussions, I always fall back on how it applies to "average Joe turkey hunter". I have seen a lot of them in that our turkey club used to host patterning days for folks that were, in essence, casual turkey hunters. These were people that didn't have a designated turkey shotgun,...or knew anything about choke tubes and turkey loads and such.Their patterns at 40 yards were often dismal with standard lead loads in the number 4 or 5 shot they found for $10 a box at WallyWorld. Because of the expense, we never patterned their guns with TSS in the smaller sizes, but I can't help but believe shooting TSS would have made their marginal shotguns much more effective out to that magical forty yard mark. If for no other reason, THAT is why I encourage those casual, turkey-hunting folks to pay the extra cost and shoot TSS.
