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Quote from: ScottTaulbee on May 04, 2023, 12:33:48 PMI like a big bead myself and I use the same bead on my duck gun as I use on my turkey gun. When the bead covers the head I shoot. When I used a scope, I aimed at the eye.
Quote from: Marc on May 06, 2023, 02:10:17 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on May 04, 2023, 12:33:48 PMI like a big bead myself and I use the same bead on my duck gun as I use on my turkey gun. When the bead covers the head I shoot. When I used a scope, I aimed at the eye. Interesting... I am the exact opposite.I doubt I would even know if the bead was off while wing-shooting. With wing-shooting I am doing my best not to be aware of the barrel or the bead. If the gun is mounted correctly (and my head is down), my eye and gun (barrel) should be lined up, and the birds should fall or target should break. Should fall... My biggest issue wing-shooting is lifting my head...For turkey hunting, I prefer a smaller bead so that I can focus on the target (aim small miss small). The bead is simply a reference point to make sure the gun is lined up, and I am focused on the target... I will admit to a preference for a center bead while turkey hunting though. If the two beads are lined up (means my head is down), and my hold point is correct, I am NOT missing.I will say that those turkey targets were very helpful for me to find my hold point. Put that target out 10-15 yards with a tight choke and cheap target loads... If I shoot at the head at those ranges, my pattern barely hits the top of the head on the target. If I put it where the neck/feathers meet, his head comes off. Different guns and shims might differ for different shooters (which is why we pattern).When/if I miss it is vertically not horizontally. The only shots I have missed (3 misses in my turkey hunting career) are when a bird is poking his head up (over a log, or rock, etc.), and I can only see the head... And I miss over the top.Another difficult shot is a lateral shot at a bird that is gobbling... Head sticking out horizontal instead of vertical. Had one of those this year, and there was some admitted relief with the connection on that shot.
Quote from: ScottTaulbee on May 06, 2023, 02:51:45 PMQuote from: Marc on May 06, 2023, 02:10:17 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on May 04, 2023, 12:33:48 PMI like a big bead myself and I use the same bead on my duck gun as I use on my turkey gun. When the bead covers the head I shoot. When I used a scope, I aimed at the eye. Interesting... I am the exact opposite.I doubt I would even know if the bead was off while wing-shooting. With wing-shooting I am doing my best not to be aware of the barrel or the bead. If the gun is mounted correctly (and my head is down), my eye and gun (barrel) should be lined up, and the birds should fall or target should break. Should fall... My biggest issue wing-shooting is lifting my head...For turkey hunting, I prefer a smaller bead so that I can focus on the target (aim small miss small). The bead is simply a reference point to make sure the gun is lined up, and I am focused on the target... I will admit to a preference for a center bead while turkey hunting though. If the two beads are lined up (means my head is down), and my hold point is correct, I am NOT missing.I will say that those turkey targets were very helpful for me to find my hold point. Put that target out 10-15 yards with a tight choke and cheap target loads... If I shoot at the head at those ranges, my pattern barely hits the top of the head on the target. If I put it where the neck/feathers meet, his head comes off. Different guns and shims might differ for different shooters (which is why we pattern).When/if I miss it is vertically not horizontally. The only shots I have missed (3 misses in my turkey hunting career) are when a bird is poking his head up (over a log, or rock, etc.), and I can only see the head... And I miss over the top.Another difficult shot is a lateral shot at a bird that is gobbling... Head sticking out horizontal instead of vertical. Had one of those this year, and there was some admitted relief with the connection on that shot.I also rarely look at the bead when wing shooting or shooting clays. It's just a familiarity thing I guess. I Average 93% on trap and mid 80% depending on the course. I'm an outlier I guess on turkey hunting, I don't raise my gun until I shoot, other than that it's on the ground on my right side. When the turkey is in range and I get ready to shoot, I slowly reach over and ease the gun up, when the bead covers the head I squeeze the trigger.
Quote from: Marc on May 06, 2023, 05:30:37 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on May 06, 2023, 02:51:45 PMQuote from: Marc on May 06, 2023, 02:10:17 PMQuote from: ScottTaulbee on May 04, 2023, 12:33:48 PMI like a big bead myself and I use the same bead on my duck gun as I use on my turkey gun. When the bead covers the head I shoot. When I used a scope, I aimed at the eye. Interesting... I am the exact opposite.I doubt I would even know if the bead was off while wing-shooting. With wing-shooting I am doing my best not to be aware of the barrel or the bead. If the gun is mounted correctly (and my head is down), my eye and gun (barrel) should be lined up, and the birds should fall or target should break. Should fall... My biggest issue wing-shooting is lifting my head...For turkey hunting, I prefer a smaller bead so that I can focus on the target (aim small miss small). The bead is simply a reference point to make sure the gun is lined up, and I am focused on the target... I will admit to a preference for a center bead while turkey hunting though. If the two beads are lined up (means my head is down), and my hold point is correct, I am NOT missing.I will say that those turkey targets were very helpful for me to find my hold point. Put that target out 10-15 yards with a tight choke and cheap target loads... If I shoot at the head at those ranges, my pattern barely hits the top of the head on the target. If I put it where the neck/feathers meet, his head comes off. Different guns and shims might differ for different shooters (which is why we pattern).When/if I miss it is vertically not horizontally. The only shots I have missed (3 misses in my turkey hunting career) are when a bird is poking his head up (over a log, or rock, etc.), and I can only see the head... And I miss over the top.Another difficult shot is a lateral shot at a bird that is gobbling... Head sticking out horizontal instead of vertical. Had one of those this year, and there was some admitted relief with the connection on that shot.I also rarely look at the bead when wing shooting or shooting clays. It's just a familiarity thing I guess. I Average 93% on trap and mid 80% depending on the course. I'm an outlier I guess on turkey hunting, I don't raise my gun until I shoot, other than that it's on the ground on my right side. When the turkey is in range and I get ready to shoot, I slowly reach over and ease the gun up, when the bead covers the head I squeeze the trigger. To be clear... Not trying to argue... For anyone out there... If it works, keep doing it.Like you, I also tend to mount and shoot turkeys a lot. If I can set up before he comes around a tree or pops over a knoll, I will. But if a turkey is in range with my gun down, I mount the gun and shoot him. I tend to "aim" the gun more pre-mounted and ready, and tend to shoot more similar wing-shooting with a low gun.I have taken people out, with a bird in range, and they were too afraid to mount and shoot a low gun, and we watched birds walk off.I have actually found that the motion of pulling the gun up to shoot them, actually makes their heads come up briefly... While I know it will happen, I have yet to have a bird take off during the mount, to a point I still was not able to get a clean shot off.First bird of the season for me this year, I had a sandwich in my hand (instead of my gun) when the bird came in. He still went home with me.
